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[HolySpiritTurtle]

I mean it's already fucked up when I read more than others.

[Rhah]

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles


Doing my part.

What happened to all these?

I'll be honest, I thought he was still a wagon. I also scumread Alisae, HolySpiritTurtle, and Nero Cain. Maybe the latter's a better wagon.

I guess they still exist sort of but I'm not really confident.

[Cabd]

Looking forward to lady shiro's contributions.

[Nero Cain]

could you explain your scumread on me?

[gerryoat]

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles


Doing my part.

thank you for your part in helping

[Rhah]

2IAM's not that great of a choice to scumread.

could you explain your scumread on me?

When I'm home maybe but there's not a lot of depth. Some of your posts I didn't like and points about Whiskers felt like a scum push. Found myself agreeing with gerryoat's then read on you.

[Quick]

Quick, why do you keep conflating would-have-policy-lynched-you-for-your-first-few-pages with would-lynch-you-now?

I'm not???

[Flubbernugget]

Nero is making better pushes than whiskers

[Quick]

Also policy lynching means not giving a damn about what kind of role the lynchee is so "what if I'm a PR?" is lol

I used that argument to see what Whiskers would say because I have never seen someone use the argument I used.

[Quick]

I am pushing a wagon to lynch today.


We need enough time to analyze the flip and go for the second flip.

Why "a" wagon and not "two wagons"?

[Cabd]

Literally today as in world-time not game-today.

[Quick]

Going to:

VOTE: Whiskers

There are a few reasons for this.

First, the fact that they are not questioning the double day thing
Second, they said they wanted to PL me when they haven't even played with me bofore
Third, they are more concerned with defending themselves than pushing their Scum reads. You can see this in the tone and language that they use. Its just off and doesn't ring like they are innocent.

[Whiskers]

votecount 1.23

Not voting (6) - Shiro, I Am Innocent, Joey_, UC Voyager, Nauci,

Whiskers

Why?

I recently unvoted because people were asking me about my scum reads and my vote wasn't on one. I'm null on Two in a Million. I'll vote after I post reads-- after work.

I didn't realize how few reads Quick had until Nero pointed it out. I'd like to see him try to post summary style like I am if he's not fond of what comes out of constantly sitting in front of the thread.

I must be misunderstanding what alisae is saying about quick, because there is no way he's a policy lynch.

There's a lot of votes on whiskers, but I don't remember where they came from or why they got there. Cabd made a good catch with the lack of vote, however.

Beeboy keeps asking me why I scum read him. I think he's capable of making better pushes. What's more important now is that my scum read is a big deal to him.

do you know that one of them came from you? Do you know how yours got there?
I don't like the bit about "cabd made a good catch," I unvoted pretty damn recently and there's nothing to read about it. Imo this is sucking up to cabd.

Whats your read on me now, Whiskers?

Like I said, why even respond to "why not lynch noobs day 1?" That's really obvious stuff that you learn in a Newbie game.

I don't think there's going to be any big difference between d1 and d2. I mean it's not like our flips are going to be a really good indication of her alignment. Sure, there's the chance she gets investigated or something wich eh...she has the exact same % that we all had of being sent a red pm and I'm not really keen on the "hey, lets not lynch a scummy person so they can get investigated tonight!" idea.

There will be a huge difference between day 1 and 2, are you crazy? Every day gives more info, all the time you spend talking to people let's you get reads-- this is literally how mafia works, why do I need to coach you on this?

[Whiskers]

Sorry, skipped one: I townread you. My omgus was an omgus-- an emotional reaction

[Whiskers]

First, the fact that they are not questioning the double day thing

I definitely question the "Double Day" thing, since nobody but you has ever said it, but you DO keep saying it. Why is that?
Meanwhile, I have no reason to question the claim further. This has been discussed to death already.
BTW, here's a good reason not to question the claim:

My point was that, as I stated before, I am pretty sure Cabd is Town unless the role is BS and helps Scum out a ton with a double day. Also, Cabd seemed pretty confident that it's going to clear them, so I see no reason to suspect Cabd until what SHOULD happen, doesn't.

Second, they said they wanted to PL me when they haven't even played with me bofore

What does having played with you have to do with anything. I have played with none of you. That has no bearing on a policy lynch. Why do you keep pressing this point?
And

if

my offhand comment about policy lynching you was somehow related to how well I know you, why would that be indicative of scum?
Also, I mentioned once that a lynch on you would be acceptable as a policy lynch. A lot of people are construing this as "Pushing a lynch on an easy target" (Alisae's claim), or "wanting to policy lynch," which, like I've said, was such a strong desire that I didn't even move off of a weak, sheeped wagon onto you.

To say that I legitimately wanted to policy lynch you is misrepresenting me.

Third, they are more concerned with defending themselves than pushing their Scum reads. You can see this in the tone and language that they use. Its just off and doesn't ring like they are innocent.

People are attacking, I'll defend (it's quick and easy). When I have the time, I'll go through ISOs and compile reads and a case on my favorite. I pushed reads earlier in the Day, in the thread that you didn't read. They didn't gain any traction. The phase is several days long, so there's no harm in joining a wagon driven by a unanimous townread. In the end, it's probably not a wagon of mine that goes to lynch, but a wagon that a unanimous townread drives. That's perfectly acceptable to me on Day 1.

[Whiskers]

I'm actually kind of ok with this though, because I feel like when I flip you're going to have a lot to analyze and there'll be a lot of good information. Like I said, the wagon on me is comprised of players who are scumreading each other. While it'll suck to be out of the game, I'm confident the aftermath of my lynch is going to be

juicy.

[Nero Cain]

why do I need to coach you on this?

You don't but you could make that argument for ANYONE. So why is it specifically important to not lynch/push Nauci today? 'cause she's new and is pretty likely to come off as scummy? Are you suggesting a nl?

[Nero Cain]

'm actually kind of ok with this though, because I feel like when I flip you're going to have a lot to analyze and there'll be a lot of good information. Like I said, the wagon on me is comprised of players who are scumreading each other. While it'll suck to be out of the game, I'm confident the aftermath of my lynch is going to be juicy.

[Whiskers]

why do I need to coach you on this?

You don't but you could make that argument for ANYONE. So why is it specifically important to not lynch/push Nauci today? 'cause she's new and is pretty likely to come off as scummy? Are you suggesting a nl?

No, you can't make it for ANYONE, because Nauci is new we have the least information on her and how she plays. We can't dive into her previous games, we can't ask Alisae how her secret main account plays, we can ONLY observe her BEHAVIOUR and judge her INTERACTIONS with players in THIS GAME. Nauci is Brand Spanking New.

If you have a problem with this, I suggest you look at my earlier vote on UC Voyager, because

that's

where I think you can turn this point into an attack on me-- you could argue that

that

vote was inconsistent with my stance here.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

VOTE: Rhah

[Quick]

First, the fact that they are not questioning the double day thing

I definitely question the "Double Day" thing, since nobody but you has ever said it, but you DO keep saying it. Why is that?
Meanwhile, I have no reason to question the claim further. This has been discussed to death already.
BTW, here's a good reason not to question the claim:

My point was that, as I stated before, I am pretty sure Cabd is Town unless the role is BS and helps Scum out a ton with a double day. Also, Cabd seemed pretty confident that it's going to clear them, so I see no reason to suspect Cabd until what SHOULD happen, doesn't.

I am pretty sure this is MY position on the double day thing and not YOU. If you would like to provide a quote that came from you where you talk about being skeptical of the claim, then do so. As far as I can see, your position is heavily favoring that the double day thing will in fact happen. You've made stances saying such. Why make a stance on it at all if you are skeptical in the first place? My initial reason for believing the claim was that I had no knowledge that that the player in question is likely to pull a gambit like this. With that new information, it changes my perspective drastically. I assume you have come across the same information as I regarding the player in question, and yet, you show little doubt that its a true claim and have even made a stance that there is going to be a double day. You show a lack of doubt which is not a Town characteristic, but a Scummy one.

Second, they said they wanted to PL me when they haven't even played with me bofore

What does having played with you have to do with anything. I have played with none of you. That has no bearing on a policy lynch. Why do you keep pressing this point?
And

if

my offhand comment about policy lynching you was somehow related to how well I know you, why would that be indicative of scum?
Also, I mentioned once that a lynch on you would be acceptable as a policy lynch. A lot of people are construing this as "Pushing a lynch on an easy target" (Alisae's claim), or "wanting to policy lynch," which, like I've said, was such a strong desire that I didn't even move off of a weak, sheeped wagon onto you.

To say that I legitimately wanted to policy lynch you is misrepresenting me.

You heavily inferred that you wouldn't mind PLing me. It was discussed with Alisae, at least.
A PL requires repeated behavior and is not meant to be used for disliking the way someone comes across in their first few posts which is your presumed stance on the issue.

Third, they are more concerned with defending themselves than pushing their Scum reads. You can see this in the tone and language that they use. Its just off and doesn't ring like they are innocent.

People are attacking, I'll defend (it's quick and easy). When I have the time, I'll go through ISOs and compile reads and a case on my favorite. I pushed reads earlier in the Day, in the thread that you didn't read. They didn't gain any traction. The phase is several days long, so there's no harm in joining a wagon driven by a unanimous townread. In the end, it's probably not a wagon of mine that goes to lynch, but a wagon that a unanimous townread drives. That's perfectly acceptable to me on Day 1.

Who is the "unanimous Town read" who you speak of? You said earlier that D1 is meant for setting the groundwork for lynching Scum on subsequent days and now you are implying the strong reads you got from the beginning of the game didn't work out so now you are resorting to compromising your lynch options. Which is it? It doesn't makes sense that you, as someone who has played a while, has no awareness that their earlier pushes might not work out. So the logical perspective to have is to not compromise so early in the game and push your reads in a stronger way. But you are not doing this. Instead you talk much about how in D1 it doesn't really matter too much who is lynched. So you can see how its at least illogical to even attempt to push you early reads early and then give up on them latter without much fuss?

[Nero Cain]

but we still won't know her alignment d2. If your argument is that we can't lynch her on d1 b/c we don't have information on her tendencies then I don't see how that's going to change over a night phase.

[Rhah]

VOTE: Rhah

What have you got for us, Watson?

[Whiskers]

First, the fact that they are not questioning the double day thing

I definitely question the "Double Day" thing, since nobody but you has ever said it, but you DO keep saying it. Why is that?
Meanwhile, I have no reason to question the claim further. This has been discussed to death already.
BTW, here's a good reason not to question the claim:

My point was that, as I stated before, I am pretty sure Cabd is Town unless the role is BS and helps Scum out a ton with a double day. Also, Cabd seemed pretty confident that it's going to clear them, so I see no reason to suspect Cabd until what SHOULD happen, doesn't.

I am pretty sure this is MY position on the double day thing and not YOU. If you would like to provide a quote that came from you where you talk about being skeptical of the claim, then do so. As far as I can see, your position is heavily favoring that the double day thing will in fact happen. You've made stances saying such. Why make a stance on it at all if you are skeptical in the first place? My initial reason for believing the claim was that I had no knowledge that that the player in question is likely to pull a gambit like this. With that new information, it changes my perspective drastically. I assume you have come across the same information as I regarding the player in question, and yet, you show little doubt that its a true claim and have even made a stance that there is going to be a double day. You show a lack of doubt which is not a Town characteristic, but a Scummy one.

Idfk what you're talking about, I'm

not

skeptical of the claim. I'm on the same side as you here. I don't see any reason to question it right now. Cabd has he revealed what it supposedly does, says he can prove it, and I think it's probably a town-utility role.
I'm skeptical of "Double Day" because nobody is using that terminology but you.

That's noteworthy.

[Flubbernugget]

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