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No, but I thought there was a better than decent chance that that convo would changeIn post 1204, Sephiroth wrote:I guess the reason I don't see it as particularly relevant today is that it won't impact whether we lynch him today nor his behavior during the night phase. Pretty important tomorrow though.scum'sbehavior last night. Namely, I was nurturing a very small hope that it would make Chip into a bigger threat than Serg and that they'd kill him instead of Serg.
Sorry Chip. Thought it was the easiest way of resolving you.
Yep. I'm at implosion > wave =Seph right now.In post 1224, Sergtacos wrote:So it all comes down to wavemode, seph, and implosion
I'd love to hear wave explain his last post when the others respond.
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\:Yep. I'm at implosion > wave =Seph right now.
I still harbor some suspicion that Flubber could be scum doc. We certainly don't lynch him today, in case someone else is a scum doc which would basically completely clear him and skitter. But I am skeptical. With Two and Chip's flips, I think it's fairly likely scum have some power role, and a doctor (possibly limited) is the most automatic/natural thing to throw into a setup that has a gunsmith and a vigilante. I doubt scum have a full doctor but something like a 1-shot doctor would make sense for balance here I think. Of course this is all moot if I can't convince skitter to look again at Flubber but I digress.
I'm not convinced Flubber is town which means fmpov today isn't as simple as just blindly lynching either wave or seph. I'm going to do significant re-reads on both of them most likely tomorrow. I sort of completely forgot about this game today in favor of playing like 8 hours of breath of the wild >_>
Please hold me to at least starting the process of ISOing them tomorrow. If I don't say this I'm probably going to just forget again.
Skitter, is your read on me at this point mostly PoE? The main thing that you've repeatedly mentioned is that you just don't think I've strongly towntold. If so, can you list your reasons for seph-town and wave-town that you think are stronger reasons than you have for me being town? Partially because I know at least one of them has to be scum but also partially because I do think it might be only one of them and I need to reassess the things from each of them that I think have been significant towntells.- Flubbernugget
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Here apparently.In post 1150, implosion wrote:skitter: cleared by gunsmith. Could still be scum doctor, but doctor + roleblocker would be quite a lot of power for scum to have here, and I still think she's town a priori anyway.
Are you still harboring some suspicion that I could be a scum doc?In post 1227, implosion wrote:I still harbor some suspicion that Flubber could be scum doc.
I was thinking BP, but then I remembered that gunsmiths get innos on scum docs, so I'll concede the point.In post 1227, implosion wrote:I think it's fairly likely scum have some power role, and a doctor (possibly limited) is the most automatic/natural thing to throw into a setup that has a gunsmith and a vigilante
In post 1159, wavemode wrote:Like I said, it doesn't matter whether Chip is SK or not right now, so you should just pick someone to clear/incriminate. Preferably me but you already said you wouldn't so
Given the possibility of a scum doc, is asking to get investigated sketchy?
I'm fairly confident that he's town tbh. He's my most confident townread beyond Serg, who isn't even so much a townread so much as a read based on his role (his play makes sense given his role, and the role is needed for balance reasons) But given that we're in MYLO again (and forever), I'll look at him again.In post 1227, implosion wrote:Of course this is all moot if I can't convince skitter to look again at Flubber but I digress.
Tbh this feels like you're trying to widen the lynchpool to include probable clears - like we aren't lynching flubber today.In post 1227, implosion wrote:I'm not convinced Flubber is town which means fmpov today isn't as simple as just blindly lynching either wave or seph. I'm going to do significant re-reads on both of them most likely tomorrow.
Yeah pretty much. Flubber I'm fairly confident is town. Serg is town for balance reasons. Seph towntold a lot day 1. Wave towntold a lot day 3.In post 1227, implosion wrote:Skitter, is your read on me at this point mostly PoE? The main thing that you've repeatedly mentioned is that you just don't think I've strongly towntold. If so, can you list your reasons for seph-town and wave-town that you think are stronger reasons than you have for me being town? Partially because I know at least one of them has to be scum but also partially because I do think it might be only one of them and I need to reassess the things from each of them that I think have been significant towntells.
I'm going to have to go through their ISOs to point specifically why though, but this is def a thing I want to do anyways since I need to reevaluate both of them. And I'm on break now, so I have time for such things lol.
Implosion, do you prefer playing town or scum more? Can you link me to a recent town/scum game? Your wiki's out of date by several years lol.- skitter30
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Hmm, OK, going through Two's ISO:
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OK, that was largely useless. Most notable associative he seems to have with a living player is with flubber and how he keeps on saying Flubber is probably town.
And that he confuses Seph and Serg. I'm tending towards him *not* confusing a partner with a townie.
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You got that he doesn't have a gun, right? You didn't get 'no result?'In post 1223, Sergtacos wrote:Flub has no gun- implosion
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Spoiler: Some ISOing of Seph
tl;dr though I skimmed quite a bit:
I still get a general vibe of town in a lot of places (some of which I didn't mention explicitly) but in general, Seph's thoughts on the game often mirror mine and I think his train of thought looks genuine. With a big exception of his TIAM read which really makes no sense. And which I think might be enough for me to just say I think Seph is scum. Most of his townish things are probably fakeable.
I'd like to hear from Seph about why his TIAM read took the course that it did with regards to both it softening seemingly so much after reading that meta, and with it eventually becoming null-town at the start of d2.- Sergtacos
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In post 1236, Sephiroth wrote:I'm very sorry that I have become prod bait of late. I will post responses and my thoughts tonight. Just to end any suspense that wave might be in, no my role did not change overnight.retired...?- wavemode
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Alright let me start by saying I'm odd-night Vanilla Cop. Night 1 I checked implosion and got Vanilla. Night 3 (which was last night, the title of thread should read Day 4 Nex) I investigated Sephiroth and got Not Vanilla.
If you noticed I started to back off my scumlean of implosion after night 1 and I more just wanted to understand some of his motivations. He made some surprising statements the morning of day 2 but I could see where his head was at so I didn't pursue it further. Then as the game started to whittle down I figured it was starting to be more and more reasonably likely he was goon, so looking around yesterday a seph/imp team with tiam roleblocker seemed as good a theory as any. But then TIAM flipped goon so now I figure it is unlikely the scumteam have two goons. Not impossible, but very strange balance-wise, I think.
As for seph, he's just fucking scum so yesterday I specifically waited for him to claim before claiming myself. If he had claimed a power role I would have just claimed vanilla cop outright but when he said VT I knew for a fact he was lying and I just wanted to catch him in it and now I haveretired...?- wavemode
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OK, I think I can buy that.
This was wave btw, so I believe this.In post 1106, skitter30 wrote:so i figured that there probably was another investigative, prob a gunsmith, but I thought it was someone else.
Odd-night seems a tad off given that everyone else appears to be full night though, but overall, I'm buying this.
And Seph's behavior yesterday works a lot as a bus. It especially explains why he wasn't worried about MYLO - voting his partner kinda makes that fear irrelevant. And Wave's behavior day 3 never makes sense as a partner tbh.
And this has been bothering me a lot honestly, since early day 2, with the wossi kill. When I towntell this hard . . .. I kinda expect to be dead like ages ago, and me not being dead raises major red flags, and tells me that my reads should probably be turned upside down. Sometimes not being dead can be attributed to PRs who are a higher kill priority than me, but that didn't apply to this game night 1 or night 2.In post 999, skitter30 wrote:Seph - I feel like I may have been pocketed by you tbh
Pretty sure this is why I wasn't dead night 1. Notice who's at the top of the list.In post 686, skitter30 wrote:{Seph}
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Wicked getting killed night 2 also was a bit weird, but makes sense now given the Two flip.
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I mean, it's not a good one
In post 1092, wavemode wrote:VT as wellIn post 1093, wavemode wrote:And then we have RB, Backup RB and FBI. And vig I suppose, if anyone believes that
Either way town PR's seem somewhat sparse if TIAM is fakeclaiming...
First letter of posts, V-A-NIn post 1095, wavemode wrote:Notwithstanding Chip's alignment, we likely have to lynch scum today, not SK
I'd be willing to vote Serg or Seph
If we lynch correct and the game is still on, Chip should shoot TwoInAMillion tonight
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So, to summarize:
Serg - gunsmith
Wave- odd night vanilla cop
Implosion - VT, checked by wave n1, who said he is vanilla
Seph - VT, checked by wave n3, who said he is not vanilla
me - VT, gunsmith cleared n1
flubber - VT, gunsmith cleared n3
Flips:
Chip - town vigi
Wossi - town FBI agent - functionally a named townie who gives a guilty to the gunsmith
Lalendra - roleblocker
Mulch, Dany, Wicked, - VT
Two - mafia goon.
So, if all the claimed PRs are true, we have:
Vigi/odd-night VC/Roleblocker/gunsmith/FBI Agent
5 VTs (me, mulch, dany, wicked, {one of implosion/flubber})
scum goon (1 or 2)
scum PR (1 or 2)
It gets messier if wave is lying, but I don't think he is.- skitter30
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Yeah the synergy with gunsmith is a bit tricky.
Like in this setup, the two of you basically get overlapping results in most scenarios. And neither of you get *alignment* based guilties alone. Together you might be able to, but only if you had happened to target the same person and they were like a VT or a goon.
If serg had gotten 'has a gun', and you got 'vanilla', between the two of you, you'd have found a goon.
If serg had gotten 'has a gun', and you got 'not-vanilla', between the two of you, you'd have found a gun-wielding PR, but you don't know the alignment. It could have been a theoretical scum roleblocker, or it could have been wossi, the FB agent.
If serg had gotten 'does not have a gun', and you got 'vanilla', you found a vanilla townie between the two of you.
If serg had gotten 'does not have a gun', and you got 'not vanilla', you'd have found a PR without a gun between the two of you. It could be a theoretical scum doc, or it could have been Lalendra, the rb.
So yeah. We don't have a PR who can get straight guilties or innos by themselves, but the two of you together can in limited scenarios. And of course you can out if someone lied about their role . . . . - skitter30
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