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Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:14 pm

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I'm not going to be lynched. I don't know how difficult it will be to convince Tchill of that, however.

You must see the flaws in his argument, right? He is claiming that I was acting on a long-term scum plan by defending Espe on the premise that he could be confirmed, which was true, while Tchill himself pushed to lynch Espe on the premise that such a confirmation was impossible, which was false.
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Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:28 pm

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I’m shooting Unah. I’ve stated this.
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Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:30 pm

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I'd rather you shot scum.

I shouldn't have to state that.
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Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:35 pm

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I'm honestly waiting for someone elsa too vote or confirm Tchill's (and myself) suspicion of SS, so I just don't keep moving my vote around uselessly.

But since I just went and read a lot of mafiascum abbreviations, FoS towards Smart.
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Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:14 pm

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In post 1150, Something_Smart wrote:I'm not going to be lynched. I don't know how difficult it will be to convince Tchill of that, however.

You must see the flaws in his argument, right? He is claiming that I was acting on a long-term scum plan by defending Espe on the premise that he could be confirmed, which was true, while Tchill himself pushed to lynch Espe on the premise that such a confirmation was impossible, which was false.
YOU were ACTING like that was your case while pushing to use the miller late game to put town between a rock and a hard place. throwing town into a difficult situation late game of lynching the miller claim or super suspicious scum candidate? a miller confirmation is FALSE. all you can do is hint towards the validity of a miller you can not CONFIRM a miller UNTIL THE FLIP. thats my point. this has already been established. you are flat out lying.
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Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:15 pm

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so jay you fail to see why scum would want to keep a miller around? does anyone for that matter fail to see that?
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Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:18 pm

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I honestly do. But you've been so focused on saying "don't be neutral" that I haven't focused on SS all that much and more on defending myself.

And unlike day one, he seems very eager to get you lynched. His style has changed. Or maybe he's just more active. Either or.
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Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:21 pm

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well ive never seen anyone play like this and im not sure why its being allowed but whatever.
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Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:23 pm

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Elsa plays on an entirely different dimensional tier from you mere mortals.

Jay just really wants to live and see how this games goes while also being able to contribute.
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Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:25 pm

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whos your scum reads? no explanations just names.
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Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:35 pm

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In post 1154, Tchill13 wrote:YOU were ACTING like that was your case while pushing to use the miller late game to put town between a rock and a hard place. throwing town into a difficult situation late game of lynching the miller claim or super suspicious scum candidate? a miller confirmation is FALSE. all you can do is hint towards the validity of a miller you can not CONFIRM a miller UNTIL THE FLIP. thats my point. this has already been established. you are flat out lying.
Are you saying that Espe wouldn't have been confirmed if WhyMafia had targeted him?

Also, you're begging the question by assuming that I'm scum and then explaining a potential motivation for my actions. However that does not address the possibility that I am town and have made the actions I did. The only thing you have to say on that matter is something about how you can't imagine anyone actually believing it might not be right to lynch the miller day 1 which quite frankly sounds dogmatic to me in how you completely refuse to consider any other point of view.
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Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:45 pm

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A Miller returns a negative result don't they?
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Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:47 pm

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Only to cops, WhyMafia would have known that he successfully blessed him, knowing he would have been town.
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Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:47 pm

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Honestly, Assemble put together a great miller game setup in a way I’ve never seen anyone do.
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Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:50 pm

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In post 1163, Flavor Leaf wrote:Honestly, Assemble put together a great miller game setup in a way I’ve never seen anyone do.
So basically it's uncommon for there to be anyway to validate a Miller? How nice.
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Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:10 pm

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Hey...vote Dunk.
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Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:11 pm

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You know how many times I've voted dunk for the way he's playing right now and he's flipped town?
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Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:14 pm

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4th times the charm? Is that how the saying goes?
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Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:15 pm

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Oh, so Dunker is naturally a scummy bird? That explains SO much.

Thanks for confirming what I've come to realize now. He's peaked my scum radar for multiple reasons. For this game, it's less obvious but still present.
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Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:17 pm

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Dunker isn't scum, but Boon almost certainly is.

I'm willing to rethink my stance on who WhyMafia checked - believe it or not, I have read his ISO like ten times now and come to the realization that there might be no crumbs at all.. :(

But I'm honestly quite certain we should lynch Boon.
From my PoV, especially if we mislynch today, we are worse off even if he is Vig and shoots a conf.town like me.

He bases his blame on me on..what?
I think I was well off as a townread for today - I had absolutely no reason to claim Miller or backup of any kind for today! :lol:

I STRONGLY DISBELIEVE BOONS VIG-CLAIM AND WANT HIM LYNCHED TODAY.


And Ari should likely be the lynch tomorrow.
In the very unlikely off-chance that Boon flips vig, we can believe Ari being blessed and have a conf.townie.
And in that case scum would likely kill Ari, leaving us with very little powerroles (I'd assume?) and we solve the game the old-fashioned way. :]

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Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:34 pm

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In post 1125, Flavor Leaf wrote:You’re incessant stating that universal backup implied existence of a miller is the exact opposite of what it should have been.
What does this even mean?
I only didn't want Esp. lynched D1 because I didn't want to risk becoming a Miller myself.
I also thought the name "Blessed Mafia" made it very plausable to have a Miller, and to me the idea of a UB in that same context made a lot of sense too!

Think of it like this: Esp. hadn't claimed a Miller.
We lynch a VT or scum D1.
NK1 lands on Esp. or another VT.
D2 has a chance for someone having a guilty on Esp. -> likely lynched D2. (what I thought D1 when he claimed and was trying to logically deduce what might happen.)
Meaning town would very likely have to "fight through" two millers.

Now in this game Esp. even went forward and claimed it, so I was almost certain I'd land that role if I can't thwart the lynch.
Imagine if we hadn't lynched him D1, I'd likely be a cleric now. :facepalm:
In post 1126, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m shooting Unah tonight. Like, yeah, sorry, if youre claiming UB and not Backup Miller, I’m shooting you. I wasn’t gonna go trough with the backupmiller shot.
I also disagree with this, and I'd say town!Boon should too.
Backup-Miller would set town back a lot.
It might make this less "swingy" of a setup, but you also have to say this for your Vig-claim to make sense.
I'd say cleric+vig+UB is a bit strong, but maybe the Miller balances it out..don't know.
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Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:46 pm

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Likely my last post in this game for today, and I want to make sure I have made my stance ABSOLUTELY CLEAR in case someone gets a fastlynch going (wouldn't be the first in my absence).

Everyone one of you who are the least suspicious about the Boon/Ari-dynamic - FOLLOW MY LEAD!
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

To the newer (or unfamiliar) players: if Boon makes it through to D3 Town has almost certainly lost this.
And if you are really worried he is a Vig (which he is not), think of it like this:
1. His "shot" N1 was questionable, bad even
2. He is going to "shoot" a well-beforehand crumbed PR, and definitely drive a mislynch for today if you allow him to
3. In the WORST CASE SCENARIO, Boon is town!Vig. BUT. He would almost certainly be gated somehow, so we would miss maybe one shot(?), and even that would be on a town-slot (me).

IF
you refuse to lynch Boon today, I really really want you to lynch me.
Confirm me as town, and force Boon to "come up with another shot" for tonight.
And then let him explain why there's only one nightkill. :]

Now I need to continue working, and then straight off to our companys Pikkujoulut.. ;)
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Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:00 am

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Boon... Why is Una the best shot tonight? Why not smart, quick, chill, hell even me?

Why does "backup Miller" get a pass but UB gets shot
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Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:45 am

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Because UB doesnt imply Miller at all, Archwing. He said his role implied Miller. I’m fact, UB implies the opposite generally in that you wouldn’t have a miller.
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