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Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:35 pm

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Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:36 pm

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not prs for balance but prs for "lol nrg will yell at you saying normals are supposed to have vts" purposes

also yea yeah trans
true evil is taking away the ability to choose

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Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:37 pm

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In post 7, acidphoenix wrote:i'm pretty sure

N1 Vigilante
N2 Jailkeeper
6 VTs or Neighborhood roles
vs
2x Mafia Goon / Neighborhood roles

would never be approved, so jay is basically clear
FWIW, I'd note that if you threw a scum neighbor into the mix instead of just goon I'd laugh out of review topic an 8/2 with a 1-shot vig and 1-shot jk
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Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:38 pm

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(that happened with cfj prereview not actual nrg but still)
true evil is taking away the ability to choose

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Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:38 pm

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I mean I wouldn't be an asshole about it
But that wouldn't get approved by me anyway :P
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Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:38 pm

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When I host, literally everyone is gonna be a power role.
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Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:38 pm

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mafia neighbor
mafia neighbor
town neighbor
town role cop
town role cop
vt x6

amirite
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Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:38 pm

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not in normals jay :p
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Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:39 pm

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or most opens and you have to host a normal or open first so have fun
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Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:40 pm

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Yeah, I'll do the basic one first, but then I'm going insane in Mini-themes.
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Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:41 pm

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why dont they release reviews anymore
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Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:42 pm

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Because that would spoil the suprise of the game.
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Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:42 pm

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it'll probably get released in six months
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Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:54 pm

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In post 1214, Dunkerdoodles wrote:woah transcend is scum what a surprise.

anyways well played scum team, i caught onto una late i think but it was a fun game

thx for hosting acid
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Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:56 pm

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orite acid thx for hosting :3
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Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:58 pm

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In post 1230, JaydragonKing wrote:When I host, literally everyone is gonna be a power role.
this is what i imagined when i started modding
unfortunately this doesn't happen
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Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:00 pm

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Well I'm going to make the best Bastard in the world, atleast. wotc to be safe though.
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Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:01 pm

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In post 1238, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 1214, Dunkerdoodles wrote:woah transcend is scum what a surprise.

anyways well played scum team, i caught onto una late i think but it was a fun game

thx for hosting acid
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Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:03 pm

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In post 1167, Katyusha wrote:yeah I guess I overestimated the strength of vig and neighborizer when there’s one more vt
You know that neighbors and neighborizers are considered net-null for town, right? Or in the case of a scum neighbor, +EV for scum, right?

Neighborizer adds nigh-zero value to town PRs. (It's a disproportionately strong scum role, but not a strong town role.)

So yes.

The game was balanced around essentially two PRs: the JOAT, and the N1 vig.
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Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:09 pm

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In post 1174, Katyusha wrote:though now I’m curious what scum had as their pr
Effectively? Nothing.

Una was a scum ninja-neighbor, but the ninja would be a rolecop guilty and had nothing to counter, so was negative utility in that sense, while the neighbor was +EV scumteam so in that sense was massively positive utility.

Transcend was a one-shot jailkeeper, basically exactly what he claimed. This gave scum SOME level of defense, while preventing them from having an overwhelming advantage--a single protection against a vig shot, or a single prevention against a town action, while letting the other town actions transpire.

It was close to being a two-goon scumteam. They didn't NEED more against the town's PRs. In fact what they had was in of itself pushing the borders a bit, to be honest. (Just, was allowed because rolecop getting a guilty + cop + vig = pretty strong town abilities to have in essentially-a-micro.)
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Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:12 pm

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una was scum negative utility :)
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Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:14 pm

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In post 1197, JaydragonKing wrote:Can you really count that against her tho when she was here for only an hour?
When she voted without reading?

Kinda, yes. :P
(But not much, see below.)

This wasn't a long hundred-page game so it was probably something she could read in about two hours, give or take, and that's accounting for her also having live interactions with players as she went. Without live player interactions, easily a one-hour catch-up.

That being said
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of a difference for her to holster HER vote if sheepsaysmeep cast a proper vote anyway. :P
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Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:14 pm

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In post 1198, acidphoenix wrote:smith can you corroborate my rolespec thing that you wouldn't pass n1 vig n2 Jailkeeper random neighbors vs goons
I can corroborate that setup would never pass review on my end, too.
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Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:15 pm

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i can't lie i thought for a second that sheep actually voted

it was a good gambit but then i caught on and warned una in the scum pt
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Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:16 pm

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