Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[northsidegal]

VC 1.08

votes

implosion

(4): MariaR, Havo, Mumble, Gamma Emerald

katherine

(1): Luca Blight

Mumble

(5): Ausuka, Killthestory, Tchill13, Cedrick, implosion

Ausuka

(2): katherine, Creature

Cedrick

(1): brassherald

Not Voting

(0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-03-22 19:42:59)

Mod Notes

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[Tchill13]

Oh...Tchill hopped off and back on.

Lowered my blood pressure by a few dozen mmHg. I've been trying hard this game not to lose my temper.

lose your temper? how about provide some content.

[Mumble]

The two are entirely unrelated...but the former is something that I have been called out on in almost all my games, so I am actively working on it.

The latter has been done. Unless you think I need to make 86 posts to summarize where I'm at in the game...

Or maybe I should spend my time calling people bad and advocate for ending the day because I'm bored.

[Creature]

This game is starting to remind me of the only game in the past like ~5 years that I've been mislynched, and I went back and looked at it and it's very deeply irritating. Both have people voting me with no reasons and literally ignoring me when I try to discourse with them. It's killing my motivation. Creature coincidentally was on that wagon too (as town). This isn't my scumgame.

I didn't play more than two years here though.

[Creature]

(it was Mini 1786 when I was being hardtunneled by bad town)

[Killthestory]

/vote implosion

uses progression as a means of scumreading me lol. progression equals bad articulation. has no effective meaning on anyones alignments.

similarly, votes on the wagon i hard pushed after shading with some back street shady fucking reasoning because he's trying to live.

the dude also uses ate to try to get us off. anything and everything he can pull, hes gonna try it lol.

[Tchill13]

The two are entirely unrelated...but the former is something that I have been called out on in almost all my games, so I am actively working on it.

The latter has been done. Unless you think I need to make 86 posts to summarize where I'm at in the game...

Or maybe I should spend my time calling people bad and advocate for ending the day because I'm bored.

i'm not calling anyone bad. i've seen you play quite well before unless im mistaken. if you continue to play like this though you're a hindrance to town.

[Tchill13]

im not bored either but now we are reaching the pint where we go in circles. if day 1 hits page 20 it almost always goes to page 40 and we almost always lynch town.

[Killthestory]

im not bored either but now we are reaching the pint where we go in circles. if day 1 hits page 20 it almost always goes to page 40 and we almost always lynch town.

what strange universe have i stumbled upon

[MariaR]

VOTE: aus
568 feels legit

[Ausuka]

So there are three votes on me and I have no idea why two of them exist. Beautiful.

[Ausuka]

creature is lock v

Unfortunately yes. Creature never flips scum here.

[Ausuka]

The two are entirely unrelated...but the former is something that I have been called out on in almost all my games, so I am actively working on it.

The latter has been done. Unless you think I need to make 86 posts to summarize where I'm at in the game...

Or maybe I should spend my time calling people bad and advocate for ending the day because I'm bored.

Meh.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Luca Blight

[Ausuka]

The latter has been done. Unless you think I need to make 86 posts to summarize where I'm at in the game...

The idea is that you make one and it explains why you think Implo is scum.

[Luca Blight]

Right...I've got a shit ton to catch-up on.

Katherine's 355 - I wouldn't say I entered with a 'hard case' - I'm not sure any case made a few pages in can be deemed 'hard'. With regards to not paying mind to Kill's early 'nailing' of scum - I take such words with a heavy pinch of salt, and that was irrelevant to what I was talking about anyway. Katherine's vote on Ausuka is decent.

357 - Not too much in the way of game-changing info, but seems like genuine annoyance from Implosion.

358 - Ausuka, I think you're removing the context a bit here - Katherine isn't finding your reads list scummy in itself - she thinks the fact

she

is your

'candidate for promotion

' is weird given she hadn't exactly done much at that time. At least, that's how I interpreted it.

359 - True.

363 On face value these all seem like fair counter-points by Implosion, although I'd like to request that Implosion include the links of the posts he quotes in future as it makes it a lot easier and quicker to check the context of what he's talking about.

336 - Ausuka is misrepping me a bit here - the momentum on Tchill dying down had no bearing on my Katherine vote (I clearly stated my reasons for flipping my read on Tchill). Why does it matter that I didn't scumread Katherine before that post? She had barely any content up until that point - hence '

decent bet

' rather than anything concrete to pin her as scum. Ausuka's comment that

'I don't think scum would vote me here'

is odd as well - I don't see her as well townread as she seems to believe, and it's not as if scum would only target popular wagons anyway.

Maria's 370 - Why say you want to vote one of three listed people, but then don't do so? It feels like tying to test the waters without getting wet.

Maria's 374 -

"An interesting question to ask someone you scumread"

- err, why? Also, punctuation would increase the readability of your posts.

tbc

[Luca Blight]

Maria's 377 -

"Also, I don't scumread Luca. I'd still vote him though"

Right, so if you don't scumread me what would be the point/basis for your vote?

Brass is coming across as really cautious from this interaction.

Maria's 379 - So you want to vote me, but are not going to vote me, nor are you going to explain why you want to vote me? How is any of this of use?

380 - Random vote on Implosion. Hopefully I will find the explanation for this later.

Don't like Havo's 384 or 385. - Pretty much following the popular opinions.

Kill's 388 - I really hate lazy/rushed conclusions like this.

Mumble could quite easily be scum - I played with him once before where he was Town and he looked scummy there, but not nearly as bad as this.

396 - Havo, you're over-emphasising my

'tunneling

' this game - it was a few pages in, and by the time you made this post I had already flipped my read on Tchill, which you fail to acknowledge or take into account.

[Luca Blight]

Brass' 401 - Is NAI posting really enough to warrant a L-1 vote already? Why not question him to get AI information?

Still townreading Cedrick, on tone mainly.

Ausuka's 446 - So I've gone from top tier to bottom based on my Katherine vote? Like, you disregard everything you found townie earlier for that? Bizarre.

My townread on Tchill is falling away a bit.

Starting to think Mumble is just Town who doesn't give a f*ck.

I was feeling a vote on Brass at this point, but his vote on Cedrick and follow up posts feel town.

487 - Havo randomly throwing shade on me?

I kind of agree with Gamma that Cedrick's '

I don't get why I'm being townread

' is weird and pings me a bit.

[Luca Blight]

This Implosion wagon is terrible, and Havo is the one who looks worst on it imo.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

[Luca Blight]

Cedrick

- slight town lean

Tchill13

- slight town lean

Creature

- town

Ausuka

- slight scum lean

Gamma Emerald

- slight town lean

brassherald

- slight town lean

Havo

- scum lean

Mumble

- null

Killthestory

- slight scum lean

katherine

- null

MariaR

- slight scum lean

implosion

- town lean

[Luca Blight]

/vote implosion

uses progression as a means of scumreading me lol. progression equals bad articulation. has no effective meaning on anyones alignments.

similarly, votes on the wagon i hard pushed after shading with some back street shady fucking reasoning because he's trying to live.

the dude also uses ate to try to get us off. anything and everything he can pull, hes gonna try it lol.

This is pretty bad.

1. I disagree - scum have to fake their reads, therefore their progression has to be forced in a way Town's isn't, but even if you were correct about this, being wrong on theory =/= scummy.

2. Just because he scumreads you doesn't mean he can't also scumread someone you vote. Like, if one of your scumreads has a bigger wagon than the other I think it's pretty natural to vote the one with the bigger wagon.

3. You have also used AtE yourself this game. It's quite understandable given the lack of reasoning behind people's votes against him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh...Tchill hopped off and back on.

Lowered my blood pressure by a few dozen mmHg. I've been trying hard this game not to lose my temper.

well that's really nice cos you haven't shown much emotion at all up to this point

[Gamma Emerald]

creature is lock v

Unfortunately yes. Creature never flips scum here.

Ewwwwww this might be enough to justify a scumread on Ausuka, why "unfortunately"?

[Gamma Emerald]

/vote implosion

uses progression as a means of scumreading me lol. progression equals bad articulation. has no effective meaning on anyones alignments.

similarly, votes on the wagon i hard pushed after shading with some back street shady fucking reasoning because he's trying to live.

the dude also uses ate to try to get us off. anything and everything he can pull, hes gonna try it lol.

This is pretty bad.

1. I disagree - scum have to fake their reads, therefore their progression has to be forced in a way Town's isn't, but even if you were correct about this, being wrong on theory =/= scummy.

2. Just because he scumreads you doesn't mean he can't also scumread someone you vote. Like, if one of your scumreads has a bigger wagon than the other I think it's pretty natural to vote the one with the bigger wagon.

3. You have also used AtE yourself this game. It's quite understandable given the lack of reasoning behind people's votes against him.

I don't like Garciaing but kts has a point with point one. I recall getting suspected a lot in the past for leaps in my progression of reads, when I didn't take care to articulate how the read morphed. Implosion was in one of the earliest instances of this, Mini 1838. Honestly it's somewhat concerning he didn't think of that himself.

[Luca Blight]

Garciaing?

Yeah I get that it can't always be applied to those who don't properly explain their reads/thoughts in the first place, but it doesn't mean it should be disregarded completely.

For example, Ausaku's progression on me is strange - I was in her top tier and now in her bottom purely for my Katherine vote.

[Havo]

[quote="In post 590,
396 - Havo, you're over-emphasising my

'tunneling

' this game - it was a few pages in, and by the time you made this post I had already flipped my read on Tchill, which you fail to acknowledge or take into account.[/quote]

I disagree, I merely stated it was cause for concern. I said it would probably play out. I didn’t even bother voting you for it.

[quote="In post 590
487 - Havo randomly throwing shade on me?
[/quote]

I’m asking Gamma his opinion on the chance of you being a possible candidate for his 3rd scum read. How is that “Random” after I had already stated I had concerns about your slot? And how is that throwing shade at you?

And it looks like I was so concerned here, that after Gamma ignored my question, I didn’t bother asking him again.