Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[Hopkirk]

Luca, if you're really a limited shot commuter I feel like just claiming that would be worthwhile.

[Cedrick]

Do yall really not see where I'm getting my confirm 6 townies thing?

I know I don't

Why would scum bus implosion if a townie was that close to being lynched? What are the odds scum bus there? Very very small. So everyone on the implosion wagon should be town.

If you believed that then you wouldn’t be suspicious of him to begin with.

[Luca Blight]

Like if we all just pretend that bussing doesn't exist and nobody would bus a buddy (especially one who didn't seem that into the game) we're probably going to end up off-track.

You can't just ignore the context of everything though - how else are you supposed to scumhunt?

You have to narrow down the options based on what is most and least likely to have occurred based on the info we have.

Tchill is saying that we get conftown from the people on the wagon. That's an incredibly dangerous viewpoint and I have no idea what "context" has to do with it.
Bussing happens and there's nothing about the Implo wagon that makes it less likely to be a bus wagon IMO.

I agree it confirms no-one, but clearly the implosion wagon is less likely to have seen bussing for the reasons I already stated.

I am a claimed pr (one scum can't ever kill), implosion is a scum pr, the lynch could go either way - scum would be pretty silly to bus here. It's possible, but I think at least the majority of the scumteam were on my wagon.

[MariaR]

I agree scum are less likely to have bussed here, purely because of how tight the lynch was, and also because I claimed an unkillable pr - I'm sure scum would have loved to have offed me D1. implosion was also a pr we must remember.

If scum were on implosion it will have been one of the first on it imo.

Ironically your pr is more likely in the hands of scum then it is town

but I can just assume you're fake claiming and you're this super strong town pr for now *shrug*

Let me get this straight - are you saying commuter is more likely to be a scum role than a town one?

unlimited? Yes

[MariaR]

I don't think Luca should take his claim back
I also don't think we should lynch him for now even if I think he could be scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it's odd you were reluctant to mention Katherine.

Odd in an AI way?

Is it odd that the lowest poster in this game wasn't the one who jumped to the forefront of my mind when making that comment?

If you consider you were Comparing a player to the 2nd lowest poster in the game and it wasn't Katherine. Yes it is odd.

I wasn't comparing activity, I was comparing their relative lack of thought to the game.

You're still unclear about whether you mean this is an AI sort of

'odd

' or just a random thing you wanted to bring up.

Talk to me about why you felt that way about Maria?

She doesn't explain anything, I talked about this already on D1.

idk if I agree but thanks for explaining

[Luca Blight]

Luca, if you're really a limited shot commuter I feel like just claiming that would be worthwhile.

I am unlimited.

I was actually considering gambiting to try and draw a night-kill, but I was severely fed-up with this game at that point.

[Gamma Emerald]

Luca ask the mod if your role is automatic

[MariaR]

Like if we all just pretend that bussing doesn't exist and nobody would bus a buddy (especially one who didn't seem that into the game) we're probably going to end up off-track.

Immediate resistance to my idea already. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying there's no need for it in that particular situation on a claimed PR that close to lynch.

Killing an unkillable pr is a really bad mislynch.

@Maria: Why isn't Luca/Hopkirk locktown. Why is Tchill.

Why do you think Luca/Hop should be lock town? I haven't seen anything that should make me tr those players
Tchills play reminds me of the game I linked before and I don't think he has strong scum motivation

[Luca Blight]

I agree scum are less likely to have bussed here, purely because of how tight the lynch was, and also because I claimed an unkillable pr - I'm sure scum would have loved to have offed me D1. implosion was also a pr we must remember.

If scum were on implosion it will have been one of the first on it imo.

Ironically your pr is more likely in the hands of scum then it is town

but I can just assume you're fake claiming and you're this super strong town pr for now *shrug*

Let me get this straight - are you saying commuter is more likely to be a scum role than a town one?

unlimited? Yes

Tell me what you're basing this on.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tchill is on my list also. I just feel asuka is scummier and looking at how they mentioned each other especially asuka caking mumble stupid or whatever for voting implosion, I like asuka for scum better.

After looking at your vca I believe your ausuka tchill scum reads are associations are they not?

Implosion and ausuka are the only wagons I weren't on. So let's say I or ausuka flip town. Does that automatically clear the other in your opinion?

I can’t really answer that. I need an actual flip. I’ll need to see who was on and off the wagon, I’ll need to see who dies. Lots of things factor in to me reevaluating

If TChill flips scum I'm gonna go out on a limb here and call Ausuka town

VOTE: Tchill

I don't trust his motives here - he doesn't believe I'm scum, but wants me lynched for information's sake.

Basically it's just getting rid of a nuisance - someone scum won't be able to get rid of themselves. The info gained would have to be taken with a pinch of salt just like the info we have now; me being killed confirms no-one.

You flipping town confirms 6 people. You flipping scum is Katherines death sentence.

I agree with Gamma, especially with this in mind. Would suggest one on each wagon if Tchill was scum maybe.

Not sure what that second qquote has to do with it but thanks?

[Hopkirk]

Lots of people from this game are here too: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75047&start=1725
Thoughts on Cedrick's tone compared to this game? Equally agressive/condescending or not?

[Ausuka]

Idk man. If scum bus they're choosing town cred over one less day phase they have to survive in THAT particular situation.

One vote was pretty much the deciding factor.

Well yeah. Of course they're choosing townced over another day phase to survive, but the idea is that they're less likely to be lynched in those days so it is +EV overall.
And I don't think luca wagon had nearly enough momentum at that point to reach a lynch anyway.

Like if we all just pretend that bussing doesn't exist and nobody would bus a buddy (especially one who didn't seem that into the game) we're probably going to end up off-track.

Immediate resistance to my idea already. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying there's no need for it in that particular situation on a claimed PR that close to lynch.

Resistance =/= you're correct. I'm resisting because making 6 people "conftown" over an assumption they're not bussing seems likely to lose us the game at some point.
There's never really a need for bussing. I personally am generally against bussing. But it still happens because people want the towncred and they think they can get to endgame. A 1-shot PR isn't significant to the point where you can rule out bussing of it. And I don't know why the situation would make scum less likely to bus here.

[Hopkirk]

Like if we all just pretend that bussing doesn't exist and nobody would bus a buddy (especially one who didn't seem that into the game) we're probably going to end up off-track.

Immediate resistance to my idea already. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying there's no need for it in that particular situation on a claimed PR that close to lynch.

Killing an unkillable pr is a really bad mislynch.

@Maria: Why isn't Luca/Hopkirk locktown. Why is Tchill.

Why do you think Luca/Hop should be lock town? I haven't seen anything that should make me tr those players
Tchills play reminds me of the game I linked before and I don't think he has strong scum motivation

Self-bias for Hopkirk.
Wondering whether you buy the claim from Luca.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do yall really not see where I'm getting my confirm 6 townies thing?

I know I don't

I see it but don't quite agree, why do you think scum doesn't bus there?

[Ausuka]

Maria why have you locktowned gamma and katherine?

Explained Kath

Can you link me to this please? I looked in your ISO and I can't find it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Maria why have you locktowned gamma and katherine?

was thinking this too

[Luca Blight]

Anyway I'm off to sleep - I'll be back after some hours.

[Cedrick]

Lets start with this was meant to be above the post, not in it. The post where you said you'd answer questions vanished, I assume since I went to iso and it doesn't carry over.

Well good. riddance. Also thanks mafia. You kind of confirmed me as town. Time to re-evaluate

Lets start with this.

This really needs substantiation. You had him as null and he had you as town. You're off both wagons. You mention him once and don't talk to him while his read progression on you isn't good.

A post that's effectively a synonym for 'why?'

I am not going to answer this one because it should be pretty obvious. If it isn't, you aren't going to believe my explanation anyway.

[MariaR]

I agree scum are less likely to have bussed here, purely because of how tight the lynch was, and also because I claimed an unkillable pr - I'm sure scum would have loved to have offed me D1. implosion was also a pr we must remember.

If scum were on implosion it will have been one of the first on it imo.

Ironically your pr is more likely in the hands of scum then it is town

but I can just assume you're fake claiming and you're this super strong town pr for now *shrug*

Let me get this straight - are you saying commuter is more likely to be a scum role than a town one?

unlimited? Yes

Tell me what you're basing this on.

Well someone who can't be nightkilled is basically someone who cannot be targeted by anything and if they so choose make it so they stay alive for good that seems really unfair for scum to not be able to deal with a player not all in anyway unless said player lets them do it
Where as if it was scum they can use that without complaint until they're the last scum and then that power is gone feels fairer

[MariaR]

Like if we all just pretend that bussing doesn't exist and nobody would bus a buddy (especially one who didn't seem that into the game) we're probably going to end up off-track.

Immediate resistance to my idea already. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying there's no need for it in that particular situation on a claimed PR that close to lynch.

Killing an unkillable pr is a really bad mislynch.

@Maria: Why isn't Luca/Hopkirk locktown. Why is Tchill.

Why do you think Luca/Hop should be lock town? I haven't seen anything that should make me tr those players
Tchills play reminds me of the game I linked before and I don't think he has strong scum motivation

Self-bias for Hopkirk.
Wondering whether you buy the claim from Luca.

I don't buy the claim but I think it's NAI for him to fake claim it

[Cedrick]

Luca, if you're really a limited shot commuter I feel like just claiming that would be worthwhile.

lol

no way should he be claiming that info today

[Hopkirk]

Lets start with this was meant to be above the post, not in it. The post where you said you'd answer questions vanished, I assume since I went to iso and it doesn't carry over.

Well good. riddance. Also thanks mafia. You kind of confirmed me as town. Time to re-evaluate

Lets start with this.

This really needs substantiation. You had him as null and he had you as town. You're off both wagons. You mention him once and don't talk to him while his read progression on you isn't good.

A post that's effectively a synonym for 'why?'

I am not going to answer this one because it should be pretty obvious. If it isn't, you aren't going to believe my explanation anyway.

If you're just going to say 'it should be pretty obvious' then you give the impression that you're afraid how people will percieve it, and just want people to try and work it out/assume the best instead.

Clearly your offer to answer qs wasn't in good faith.

Why aren't you asking me anything/care about my thought process?

[Cedrick]

Lots of people from this game are here too: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75047&start=1725
Thoughts on Cedrick's tone compared to this game? Equally agressive/condescending or not?

VOTE: hopkirk

you aren't scum hunting

[Ausuka]

Like if we all just pretend that bussing doesn't exist and nobody would bus a buddy (especially one who didn't seem that into the game) we're probably going to end up off-track.

You can't just ignore the context of everything though - how else are you supposed to scumhunt?

You have to narrow down the options based on what is most and least likely to have occurred based on the info we have.

Tchill is saying that we get conftown from the people on the wagon. That's an incredibly dangerous viewpoint and I have no idea what "context" has to do with it.
Bussing happens and there's nothing about the Implo wagon that makes it less likely to be a bus wagon IMO.

I agree it confirms no-one, but clearly the implosion wagon is less likely to have seen bussing for the reasons I already stated.

I am a claimed pr (one scum can't ever kill), implosion is a scum pr, the lynch could go either way - scum would be pretty silly to bus here. It's possible, but I think at least the majority of the scumteam were on my wagon.

I think your PR claim came too late to matter. By the time you claimed Implo was at L-1 (while you were still voting Mumble) and you were at L-3 I believe.