Mini Normal 2002: The Thaw OVERRRRRRRRR

[Hiraki]

I don't disagree with you but I don't agree with you either. There were points where you used your inefficiency to bolster why people should think you were town. That's not anything new, that's just bad play.

[Hiraki]

Vibin like usual Grey

[GreyICE]

At the end of the day, regardless of your alignment, you accomplished nothing and got yourself lynched. Blame everyone else all you want, but maybe the issue here is that what you did was fucking stupid, and fakeclaiming is an auto lynch in all circumstances.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll be looking at Hiraki tonight with a scum Flavor flip.

Not necessary. He won't flip red.

MOI could be scum Tracker who thought I was town fakeclaiming.

That’s a pretty decent scum move to give credit to a tracker claim. I could see him doing it.

[GreyICE]

Like... what are we supposed to do? Leave a fakeclaim alive because scum should get a mulligan on their claims if it contradicts another townie? No. You claim something that's not true, you die. It's one of the oldest rules of mafia, and it's one of the oldest because scum HAVE to claim things that are not true. They are forced to. Town never has to claim things that are not true. If you choose to claim things that are not true, you are choosing to play like scum. You better be very certain your gambit is worth it. What your gambit did here is out a town power role. That's certainly decent play for scum that's going down, but if you did that as town, you need to reconsider your life choices.

[StefanB]

I hate fakeclaiming town, I would probably lynched you after the claim no matter what.
That would have been a more powerful cop.
Yeah I did not believe your: I have in ino (I thought you were facking an Ino on Grey)
Even if you are town I am happy you are dead.
Your reads: Last words are scum in Stefan, Saudade and Hiraki, right? You don't scumread Piplup anymore?

Now we wait a few days until the mod comes back to give us the result.

P-Edit: Flavor: We will see if MoI stays alive.

[Flavor Leaf]

At the end of the day, regardless of your alignment, you accomplished nothing and got yourself lynched. Blame everyone else all you want, but maybe the issue here is that what you did was fucking stupid, and fakeclaiming is an auto lynch in all circumstances.

I didn’t get myself lynched. I feel accomplished in my reads. I clearly analyzed the game and gave all my reads.

You guys just play incredibly black and white is all. I’m not mad. It’s not like I didn’t see it coming.

I did everything I could to try and stop it. The last claim at the end was my Hail Mary.

You can’t go back and look at my posts and say I didn’t analyze the game or attempt to find scum.

I did a lot. I just didn’t agree with the popular reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll be looking at Hiraki tonight with a scum Flavor flip.

Not necessary. He won't flip red.

MOI could be scum Tracker who thought I was town fakeclaiming.

That’s a pretty decent scum move to give credit to a tracker claim. I could see him doing it.

What indicator would there be for that? You telling me it's MoI and Hoopla?

[Hiraki]

Don't worry Stefan, listening to his reads is useless.

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.1:

Flavor Leaf (6-LYNCHED)

- Piplup, Saudade, GreyICE, StefanB, MagnaofIllusion, Flavor Leaf

Piplup (2)

- Hoopla, implosion

implosion (1)

- Prism

Not voting (2)

-Hiraki, Gamma Emerald

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Flavor Leaf has been lynched. Flip incoming.

Please can all players send me their Role PMs? I don't have access to the Mod PT

[Nexus]

Flavor Leaf - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 2

Night 2 begins. It will end in 48 hours, at 8pm BST on Friday 27th April 2018 (expired on 2018-04-27 20:00:00)

Please can you PM me all Night Actions, as I currently don't have access to any Private Topics relating to this game. Thanks.

[Nexus]

Hoopla - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 2

Day 3 now begins. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline at 8pm on Monday 7th May 2018 (expired on 2018-05-07 20:00:00)

[GreyICE]

Hi MOI, results?

Also why are both of us still alive?

[Gamma Emerald]

So whoever is scum thinks it is more important to kill people confirmed off of interactions. Seems worth noting.

[StefanB]

VC day 1:
StefanB(1) ~ implosion(53)
implosion(2) ~ Hiraki(26), Prism(17)
Prism(1) ~ Erika Furudo(50)

Flavor Leaf

(2) ~ Saudade(75),

CultofAthena

CultofAthena(lynch)

: GreyIce, Gamma Emerald,

Hoopla

,

Cheetory6

, StefanB,

Flavor Leaf

, MoI

VC day 2:

Flavor Leaf

(6-LYNCHED) - Piplup, Saudade, GreyICE, StefanB, MagnaofIllusion,

Flavor Leaf

Piplup (2) -

Hoopla

, implosion
implosion (1) - Prism

Not voting (2) -Hiraki, Gamma Emerald

Hiraki, Implosion and Prism haven't been on the lynchwaggon all game. Piplup and Saudade were of the scumlynch but on the townlynch, but both with very believable reasons.

VOTE: Implosion
I had a scumread here some time ago. Since that is my only scumread I am sure about, I will vote here.

[GreyICE]

So whoever is scum thinks it is more important to kill people confirmed off of interactions. Seems worth noting.

Over a claimed power role?

Still sitting here waiting for the results.

[Gamma Emerald]

Exactly. It's not unreasonable but a curious call. And yeah those would be nice.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hi MOI, results?

Also why are both of us still alive?

I tracked Saud last Night. He went nowhere.

I'm very surprised you are still alive. I expected to come back to the game with another night of "No Result" and you flipped or no death. So ... why was Hoopla killed over you is a question on my mind.

Going to poke around some more. Scum are not shy about killing the hell out of the Cult wagon. Might have some relevance.

[Hiraki]

Vote: Implosion

You mean to tell me that you said you had 2 scumreads yesterday and you tracked someone who wasn't either of those?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote: Implosion

You mean to tell me that you said you had 2 scumreads yesterday and you tracked someone who wasn't either of those?

Not sure what the point of this is? Tracking you was 100% dependent on Flavor flipping scum instead of being just terrible.

And tracking Implosion would be absolutely the worst choice since I had already said he was my other choice yesterday. I mean ... duh ... he would not be making the kill as scum unless he has a powerful role and can't do both. In which case I'd have likely not gotten a result anyway which makes that an academic argument. That's like Road to Rome level of PR use thinking.

So is your point that I shouldn't have tracked my other read as scum from Day 1 who has done absolutely nothing but tunnel on a bad Town player for 2 days?

I'm unclear on the purpose of this unless you are just wanting to throw some lazy shade. If that's your goal then ... good job, mission accomplished.

[Hiraki]

I didn't know you scumread me. I was pretty sure on you tracking Implosion so we could get this day over with quickly.

I don't think shade constitutes criticism of an action that doesn't make a lot of sense. You've never actually scumread Saud, you've said he's done nothing (not disagreeing here) and to me that equates to a null read at best.

[Hiraki]

And for the fact that you've been saying "well he's scummy" there's a fine fine line between saying someone is scummy and someone is scum. Of every person I've played with, I think you'd be the most particular about that, no?

[MagnaofIllusion]

You've never actually scumread Saud, you've said he's done nothing (not disagreeing here) and to me that equates to a null read at best.

Maybe read Day 1 because ... this is so untrue that I can't believe you actually said it.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I didn't know you scumread me.

The scum read on your was 100% relational to Flavor scum ... you made tons of sense as his partner since he kept dropping you in his scum POE pool but never made move one in your direction. But since he was Town no point in going that direction IMO.

[implosion]

I'm predictably quite busy.

I feel like the kill might just be trying to frame Grey. Not sure why MoI wasn't shot, though. I don't think it's worth reading deeply into because it doesn't seem like whatever motivation there was is obvious.

I'm a little paranoid that I could be wrong on gamma. Other than that I want to look at Prism, Hiraki and Piplup.