Mini Normal 2021: Game Over

[ofrhz]

hey tchill, I'll vote oath tomorrow if you flip town. deal?

why do you think oath and tchill are SvS

[ofrhz]

* SvT

[ofrhz]

I doubt I can get a tchill lynch tomorrow by myself but I'd begrudgingly agree to this plan of attack if we just can't get tchill lynched today.

You're not alone- it's just a weird hour, hopefully Lalendra and others will come in with fresh perspective and do the right thing. I'm only agreeing to the self hammer if that majority agrees that me being town CONFIRMS TChill, anyone who backs off of that after I'm lynched is likely scum.

This is not a good strategy. You flipping town doesn't confirm anything >_> <_<

[ofrhz]

@Tchill, what happened between end of D1 and beginning of D2 that made you so sure that Oath was scum?

[Oath]

Sorry, I have a hard time keeping track of your read on Oath with all the flip-flopping that you are doing. Who else is scum?

He's been flipping on me since Day 1 I'll summarize it for you

Game Timeline:
Me: I'm VT and that bores me.
TChill: I'm gonna ignore that- it means nothing
Me: TChill is scumz and I love him
TChill: GRRR Why? You think I'm scum? Hmph, you can't catch scum that easily.
Me: But I did
Me *tunnelling*
TChill: SO ANNOYING GRRRR. You're scum.
Me: Kay
TChill: Whatever you're probtown.
Me: Kay you're still scum tho.
TChill: UGH WHATEVER IM NOT TALKING TO YOU
Me: Kay baiiiiii
TChill: Let's lynch ANYONE
Me: Das scummy
TChill: HOW?!!?
Me: Cuz that's literally what scum do
TChill: No I'm helping the game move along.
Me: ....kay you're still scum tho.
Everyone else: TChill and Oath are both probtown, so let's ignore Oath and sheep TChill
Gustavo: I believe TChill is scum, also I'm a Mason
Lalendra: I can confirm that.
TChill: Grrrrr
Ceej is lynched - HE WAS TOWN
Gustavo NK - HE WAS TOWN
TChill: OATH IS CONFIRMED SCUM - 'MEMBER ALL THAT STUFF I SAID WAS NAI YESTERDAY?!?! NOW IT IS DEFINITELY SCUM INDICATIVE. REMEMBER HOW I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE CLAIM- NOW IT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT.
Oath: TChill, I understand you have to do this it's the only chance you have to survive- I'll fall on the knife if everyone agrees that you're probably scum when I flip green.
TChill: No, no, no, uh uh not cool-- I mean I think you're scum but I'm not willing to put any weight behind it
TChill: Actually you're probably town
TChill: You have to die tho
Everyone: Huh? How does that make sense?
TChill: Because I can't play with people who scum read me even though during the game of mafia that is an actually reality for all players at one point or another.
Everyone: HUH?!?!
TChill: She's scum.

Btw- shout outs to Krazy, he might be scum too.

GOOD QUESTION, ofrhz... *waits*

[ofrhz]

@Tchill, what happened between end of D1 and beginning of D2 that made you so sure that Oath was scum?

You're trying to play. You seemed to be sorting. So to you i will ask actual questions.

What benefit do i have from keeping oath in the game if im town and i think she's town?

there is a chance she can be scum. I have a lot more to lose if i write her off as town than if i just go ahead and lynch her and she flips scum right? Why should i take that risk?

Answer both please.

If I'm understanding this right, earlier you said, very confidently, that Oath was scum, but you didn't mean it? you just wanted to lynch her regardless of her alignment because of her tunnel on you?

[Tchill13]

Nope. That's not why I wanted to lynch oath.

If I'm town and I think oath is town what do I benefit from having oath in lylo with me?

[Tchill13]

I've yet to see anyone answer this. Go ahead give it a shot.

[Oath]

Nope. That's not why I wanted to lynch oath.

If I'm town and I think oath is town what do I benefit from having oath in lylo with me?

You know what's cool? If we lynch scum instead of pushing lynches on town just because we don't like them we probably won't end up in a lylo situation.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

[Tchill13]

Also I'm assuming oath has been keeping up with the thread and watching what's happened. I engaged you oath.

You never engaged me. Never had a real discussion with me. Never tried to understand why I scum read you.

That question extends to you as well oath.

[Tchill13]

Nope. That's not why I wanted to lynch oath.

If I'm town and I think oath is town what do I benefit from having oath in lylo with me?

You know what's cool? If we lynch scum instead of pushing lynches on town just because we don't like them we probably won't end up in a lylo situation.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

Do I know you're town? Do you know I'm scum?

FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

[Oath]

It's also interesting how you're constantly concerned with lylo this early in the game - that's more of a scum concern because they HAVE to go through lylo to win. Town could win this game without ever being in a lylo situation, I don't know how often town ends up in lylo across the board but it's not necessarily bound to happen.

P-edit: You engaged me with name calling. I've had several discussions with you. Most of this thread is discussions between us, TChill lol. I understand why you scum read me. Why do we need to talk about it more?

I mean I'm like 99.99% sure you're scum and I'm cool with those odds.

[ofrhz]

Nope. That's not why I wanted to lynch oath.

If I'm town and I think oath is town what do I benefit from having oath in lylo with me?

I mean, none

but as town, you try to play to not get to lylo, no?

[Oath]

and before you misrep like you like to do...

"I understand why you scum read me" is I understand that as scum that is your only play during this and any subsequent day phase you make it to.

[Oath]

Nope. That's not why I wanted to lynch oath.

If I'm town and I think oath is town what do I benefit from having oath in lylo with me?

I mean, none

but as town, you try to play to not get to lylo, no?

ofrhz is getting it!!!!

[ofrhz]

I kinda just glossed over the last few pages, but I'm here I think:

Lalendra
Krazy, Yuurei
Tchill, Oath, Tacos, Osuka
Nero, Mumble, Boris

[Oath]

WHAT DOES IT MEAN THO?

[ofrhz]

VOTE: mumble

[Krazy]

Like the vote, but also curious what you think Gus was getting wrong about Yuurei

[Tchill13]

It's also interesting how you're constantly concerned with lylo this early in the game - that's more of a scum concern because they HAVE to go through lylo to win. Town could win this game without ever being in a lylo situation, I don't know how often town ends up in lylo across the board but it's not necessarily bound to happen.

P-edit: You engaged me with name calling. I've had several discussions with you. Most of this thread is discussions between us, TChill lol. I understand why you scum read me. Why do we need to talk about it more?

I mean I'm like 99.99% sure you're scum and I'm cool with those odds.

if town never reaches lylo town wins. thats whys im concerned with lylo. if we dont get there great. if we do we need to be best equipped to handle it. If you don't worry about lylo till lylo then you get...

"thats the best you can get"

[Tchill13]

and before you misrep like you like to do...

"I understand why you scum read me" is I understand that as scum that is your only play during this and any subsequent day phase you make it to.

whats my play as town concerning the amount of danger id be in with you if we were both to make it to lylo, which is what scum would want.

[Tchill13]

scum isn't going to want to deal with either of us an after mumble's lynch i demand that either me or oath are lynched.

[Oath]

Mumble is actually a garbage vote - we can agree there.

[Tchill13]

like thats the issue. scum thing late game, scum think about who they want to take to lylo.

town fail to think late game time and time again. Early days with minimal info should be spent getting rid of baggage that can actually flip scum. Throwing scums tools away in the form of bad play. GET RID OF THAT. every time, every game. Then after you've accumulated info after a few day phases you can best set yourself up to lynch competent scum.

yall are hung up on the fact "its a PL" NO ITS NOT. its a PL if they're conftown. If theyre not conftown they can be scum. If theyre not scum you have eliminated a scum tool.

[Tchill13]

Mumble is actually a garbage vote - we can agree there.

no we can't. if i didn't actually think mumble is scum then i wouldn't advocate for his lynch over yours.