Mini Normal 2024 - Endgame

[Rei]

im lock towning Rei.

right after she votes mumble.

Can you explain why you're lock towning me? I understand townreads but it just seems early to lock anyone at all
And why mumble again? For being inactive?

I refuse to lunch Twain today because that Lalendra meme was too good ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

townie, i feel like scum would be nervous to post a fluffy reason to not vote someone

>I'm pretty sure has the capacity to step it way up

would imply that she hasn't

her only post is when I directly asked her a question, and it was a fence sitting post, so thus far she has basically contributed zero opinions

Clarify step up then?

Her only post (all 13 only posts) is not solely because of you. I don't see the fence sitting either, so point that out to me plskthx.

You're right; I'd managed to forget some of the content she contributed and mostly remembered the fluffier posts (omg alpacas are so fwuffy wuffy I want to hug one)

Still; it's died down quite a bit so she's in the same bucket as Kop for me rn: drive by posts here and there. The post about people townreading her super early was kinda null opinion though

I thought about this for a bit, and honestly the best action for now is just to stealthily watch
taking action too early can be bad too, sometimes we just need to be patient
I do feel surprised due to previous experience of "sounding wolfy" as town, but at the same time I know I am town so I'm wondering if I'm being overly paranoid

[Rei]

I'm a bit surprised no one has asked me why I'm voting dr.dolittle when I gave 0 reason

[Rei]

Still townreading tchill tbh
locking someone as town this early is a gutsy move and it does zero for him as scum
If he was scum he's basically just giving himself less options for townies to frame

Nauci is a slight townread now from tone but I don't think it's strong enough yet

mumble, honestly is just null
they can be scum but they can also be town, i dont necessarily find any posts that pinge me much

[Mumble]

Still townreading tchill tbh
locking someone as town this early is a gutsy move and it does zero for him as scum
If he was scum he's basically just giving himself less options for townies to frame

mumble, honestly is just null

This is interesting.

Does the locktown read have to be on you?

Why don't you scumread me for town reading you? What keeps me null?

[Rei]

Still townreading tchill tbh
locking someone as town this early is a gutsy move and it does zero for him as scum
If he was scum he's basically just giving himself less options for townies to frame

mumble, honestly is just null

This is interesting.

Does the locktown read have to be on you?

Why don't you scumread me for town reading you? What keeps me null?

No it doesnt have to be on me
locking anyone at this phase is risky for a wolf, unless they're partners but that also brings attention to one if the other flips scum
Why do you think I should scumread you for townreading me?

[Mumble]

No it doesnt have to be on me
locking anyone at this phase is risky for a wolf, unless they're partners but that also brings attention to one if the other flips scum
Why do you think I should scumread you for townreading me?

Are you aware on my stance on Tchill? Because your comment makes it looks like you ignored it.

Why do you think I should scumread you for townreading me?

Misread your original statement on those townreading you.

[Rei]

No it doesnt have to be on me
locking anyone at this phase is risky for a wolf, unless they're partners but that also brings attention to one if the other flips scum
Why do you think I should scumread you for townreading me?

Are you aware on my stance on Tchill? Because your comment makes it looks like you ignored it.

Why do you think I should scumread you for townreading me?

Misread your original statement on those townreading you.

You townread him as far as I know, what makes you think I ignored it?
Should I townread or scumread you for it in your opinion

[Rei]

townreading isn't the same as locking someone if thats what you meant

[Mumble]

It's a annoying and I want to scream f-bombs at him, but it pretty much lock towns him for me.

Comprehension is fun.

[Mumble]

Should I townread or scumread you for it in your opinion

You should probably do what you would normally do.

[Tchill13]

I lock Towned you because you said you'd scum read anyone who TR'd you without any reason.

And I did so without reason... Then you town read me for that... Little odd.

Maybe I'm doing too much reaction testing.

[Rei]

Should I townread or scumread you for it in your opinion

You should probably do what you would normally do.

I missed that post
yeah it kinda makes you townier now

I lock Towned you because you said you'd scum read anyone who TR'd you without any reason.

And I did so without reason... Then you town read me for that... Little odd.

Maybe I'm doing too much reaction testing.

There's a difference between someone who's townreading me to jump on the wagon and someone who does something risky like locking town on d1 off of just reads
if it was a townread on me for now
The way I see scum townreading me if maybe giving a reason like gut read or a post they liked or whatever to seem townie, but later just leaving me there as a townread for no strong reason

[Rei]

that sentence is incomplete "if it was a townread on me for now i wouldn't townread you for it, but its locking which i think is townie whether its on me or whoever"

[Nauci]

I'm a bit surprised no one has asked me why I'm voting dr.dolittle when I gave 0 reason

I'll bite

Why? And what do you think of his posts since your vote?

[DrDolittle]

But that is a little misreppy, nauci - Notice that *my* vote is for pressure and reactions. *Her* vote is apparently because I'm scummy for not providing reasons. If that scumread expires (not super sure why it's there in the first place), I would think it would make more sense to move on, either to another scumread or to create pressure and generate discussion. Instead, she sits on me. Do her actions make sense to you?

?? cool i guess calling someone out for misrepping you is now a town read ??
real good to know thx.

[DrDolittle]

This

feels like a grasping for straws case when the wagon on me lost momentum...

Why don't you elaborate your thought mechanism behind this: Assume you are town. I am scum for because instead of trying to push your wagon forward I'm actively scumhunting?

Nauci + Irrelephant scum you heard it here first guys.

Would also explain that terribly awkward early interaction.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Votes on Nauci or NSG? If so why is your vote not on there yet?

Surface level scum hunting from DDL. Not a fan of his play to this point.

I actually reread the thread a couple of times Friday and Saturday to try and figure out where I wanted to pressure, but couldn't settle any where in particular among the people I don't town read, and think that Irrelephant isn't any worse or better than those wagons. I think the DDL wagon is more effective w/o the person he's voting on it, and I don't think Irrelephant has been towny yet and that he does respond to pressure.

I'd say my reads at the moment are

Slight Town Lean:

ejjnami
tchill
twain

Conflicted Null:

BBT
Mumble
DDL

Unknown null:

Irrelephant
Rei
Alchemist

Slight Scum Lean:

NSG
Lalendra
Kop

But with half of the game not having post much and a bias against lurkers, it's hard to say.

My experience with NSG is that she's more talkative later in the game but casually chatty in the beginning, but I thought she'd been kinda busy in general lately (though, that *is* weird to then /in games). I thought I'd wait until tomorrow since people are inactive on the weekends.

This looks like a scum post, trying to look like they're engaging with the game. So many words and yet so little said. Like, two separate null categories is just bad, but it's there to fluff the 'reads-list' out a little. Not to mention the reads are very safe.

first of all, i kind of think that nauci is town here.

Alright. I'm listening.

I'm not lynching Someone who's known as lynchbait and has only made one post because that's too easy, anyone pushing that is coming off as false scum hunting imo.

I mean, it could also be argued that scum reading TChill for pushing lurkers is an equally 'easy' read to give/push.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wat

That's not what that post said

It definitely was - you had them as your 3 'slight scum reads'.

you know what happens to lynchbait? they make it to lylo. Scum and town chit chat for a bit. "i guess so and so wasn't lynchbait, theyre actually scum" Town gets lynched. Scum win.

Let me be very clear. If you can't clear "lynchbait" players as town for any reason other than meta then GTFO OF HERE AND STOP USING THE WORD "LYNCHBAIT".

that is all.

TChill my man, if more players took this approach people would be forced to play the game in an engaging manner.

no. Scum want those types of players in lylo.

Scum SHOULD do what they can to surround themselves with the easiest group to win in lylo. You can NK town leaders, lynch middle of the pack players... for me though. I want lurkers in lylo if im scum.

It's actually the opposite of perfect for scum to chase. Its the worst lynch for scum to chase.

Dropping knowledge bombs all over the place.

VOTE: Mumble

Where was your explanation for voting me? And why have you joined the Mumble wagon?

Townreading Nauci and nsg, and more than happy to sheep them onto someone I don't townread VOTE: Mumble

Talk about both of these town reads please?

VOTE COUNT 1.5

Mumble (4) - Tchill13, northsidegal, Nauci, Irrelephant11
Nauci (4) - Kop, Alchemist21, Mumble, BlueBloodedToffee

That was a fairly quick CW to the Nauci wagon. Interesting.

Irrelephant, you're on the wrong leading wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I liked TWAIN's 213 and 233. UNVOTE:

- Town reads on NSG (who's done nothing all game to get towncred)+ Nauci (a flip from an earlier scumread? for what? Nauci's post has been pretty consistent in nature, so any reads should also be consistent) and sounds like a casual excuse to go on a mumble's wagon wtf

VOTE: irrelephant

What did you like about Twain's posts?

Just to be clear, are you scum reading Irrelephant because you disagree with his town reads?

Nauci + Irrelephant scum you heard it here first guys.

Then vote Nauci with me.

[Irrelephant11]

But that is a little misreppy, nauci - Notice that *my* vote is for pressure and reactions. *Her* vote is apparently because I'm scummy for not providing reasons. If that scumread expires (not super sure why it's there in the first place), I would think it would make more sense to move on, either to another scumread or to create pressure and generate discussion. Instead, she sits on me. Do her actions make sense to you?

?? cool i guess calling someone out for misrepping you is now a town read ??
real good to know thx.

I mean I didn't think that her misrepresentation of me is towny per se, but I also know that she's paranoid of me as town, and has done all the things I could potentially scumread her for here - when we were both town. That obviously doesn't *clear* her, but it doesn't make me suspicious in the same way it would if she were playing the same paranoid misreppy way around another player. Basically, I think the misrep was a misunderstanding in this case. Nauci doesn't need to go after me as the mislynch as scum, especially when it's getting

her

much more negative attention.

This

feels like a grasping for straws case when the wagon on me lost momentum...

Why don't you elaborate your thought mechanism behind this: Assume you are town. I am scum for because instead of trying to push your wagon forward I'm actively scumhunting?

Nauci + Irrelephant scum you heard it here first guys.

Would also explain that terribly awkward early interaction.

lol @nauci I foresee this being the story of every early game we have together until forever
DDL we all wish it was us two, us two more than anyone. But I'm town, sorry!

That was a fairly quick CW to the Nauci wagon. Interesting.

Irrelephant, you're on the wrong leading wagon.

Meh, maybe. Multiple large wagons is useful early D1, though. Why appeal to me on this? You think I'm the only townie on my wagon, or?

Talk about both of these [nsg and nauci] town reads please?

This looks exactly like town Nauci so far - paranoid of me, anti-lurkers at first, trying to provide all her thoughts and reads when she can... We don't have many games between us atm, but I've seen her as both alignments, and nothing reminds me more of scum!nauci than town!nauci. It's possible she's putting on a performance as scum just for me, but I suspect she would want to change up her game, call it new meta, and not get so much heat for the way she plays the early game (this isn't the first time).
NSG I was scumreading for not playing, then she came to play and said she'd been LA over the weekend, so that killed the scumread. I guess on re-read she's not as towny as I remembered, though. Somehow I thought she had more content than "what did you say? Oh, I get it. Well, vote: Mumble". I guess she's closer to null at this point? I also just wanted to vote Mumble there for refusing to explain his reads. He still hasn't

[Lalendra]

>>241 (Irr)
>I guess isn't a copy or a misrep per se, but "Nauci wants us all to vote Irrelephant, Irrelephant wants us all to stop voting Nauci, therefore they are scumteam" doesn't make sense imo
She only lists it as a possibility, she doesn't look like she believes it. Unless I'm wrong. Am I wrong, Lalendra?

Correct, I was listing it as a possibility, not an ironclad interpretation. More of a "hmm, this will be interesting to look back on later with more info."

[Lalendra]

I refuse to lunch Twain today because that Lalendra meme was too good ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Yeah honestly I wanted to be mad but I couldn't

[Lalendra]

Nauci + Irrelephant scum you heard it here first guys.

I mean I actually said it first but w.e

[Lalendra]

VOTE COUNT 1.5

Mumble (4) - Tchill13, northsidegal, Nauci, Irrelephant11
Nauci (4) - Kop, Alchemist21, Mumble, BlueBloodedToffee

That was a fairly quick CW to the Nauci wagon. Interesting.

Irrelephant, you're on the wrong leading wagon.

That's actually a really good point. And both nauci and irrelephant are on that counterwagon...but the crusade was led by tchill. I don't really have any reason to suspect tchill, though it would be hilarious if the scumteam was tch/nauci/irr.
VOTE: nauci

[Alchemist21]

I think Tchill is Town. I’d expect scum to play a bit more carefully than he has and not be hard-focused on a lurker.

Nauci wagon is still a great wagon.

It kinda feels like Irrelephant is trying to convince himself Nauci is Town more than he’s trying to convince everyone else. Like he wants to be in the game with her and doesn’t want her to be scum that gets knocked out early. Even though he’s defending her and pushing the CW it just doesn’t feel like scum motivation to me.