Mini Normal 2024 - Endgame

[Irrelephant11]

mmm that might be true. But that's also kinda an AtE-y reason to scumread her (though I get that the reason for your post is mostly for other people to stop lumping us together, not for me to scumread nauci necessarily). I still don't think I scumread her. I'll watch out for that potential blindspot, though.

I still want Mumble to share more reasoning.

In other news Rei keeps saying she's used to being scumread as town but idk why, she's super towny so far. Maybe I should think she's scum, then?
She's being super careful around other's reads of her in a pro-town way, like I think scum usually just accepts townreads and moves on whereas she is wary of being pocketed. Her analysis of tchill is pretty towny, too, even if I'm not ready to locktown tchill for locktowning her.

[ejjinami]

Responses up to page 10, gotta go, I’ll try to finish the rest when I get back.

[ejjinami]

nope. I don't want to but you force me to...

seriously though you play well when you post more... so... I'm gonna push you if i don't see that. Not tunnel (i hate tunnels) but I'll advocate for your lynch while hunting multiple scum.

btw, you are careful. This ^ is a good example of that. You don't attack people right away when you have an opinion and wait/warn them/explain your actions instead. That's why I asked, it can be a scumtell sometimes. Idrk about this one though.

OK. I'm careful in the since that I don't create a toxic atmosphere for the game

That’s bullshit, you don’t need to insult the other players to push your scum reads. If you wanted to create pressure while being nice to people, you’d see it’s not even that hard. If you’re anxious to push reads without much content, think that you’re unfair or sth, then just say so. Right now you’re just making excuses.

Whats BS exactly? That I'm nice? That I'm careful I'm how I treat people?...
Cool. I never said you had to insult to push. I simply said I'm careful not to insult.

You are misconstruing my post.
I said that

“You warned your SRs instead of actually pushing them and bothered to explain “how exactly will you do it”, so you’re being careful.”

And you answered that

“you’re careful because you don’t want the game to become toxic”.

IF you wanted to pressure people and had no other reasons not to, being nice would NOT hinder you.
That answer very much felt like an excuse. Or like you wanted to say sth that would put you in a better light and screwed up while doing that.

I mean, I guess you have been playing normally lately and I didn’t really get the feeling you were forcing yourself to do stuff, but just what the fuck?

Seriously,
what
the fuck?

[ejjinami]

Welcome to the game Kop. Who's scum, and why isn't it Nauci?

Why nauci in particular?
And does that mean you do have a read on her?

first of all, i kind of think that nauci is town here. i know that mathdino had some secret tell to read her and i'm trying to think about if i'm remembering it right here, but i still think she looks pretty town anyways. why are people voting there? (@kop and @mumble specifically)

What makes you think she is town?

[ejjinami]

tchill I mostly wanted to know what experience you have with bbt that would make you say he should "light the way" for town.

I'm still a little lost why you wouldn't want to answer the question as town.

I would love to have answer to both of those.

honestly? why would he not want to answer the question as scum?
Does it even matter?
You're making it sound like it's sufficiently AI to change your read on him and I don't really like that tbh.
You're either making a big deal for exactly no reason, or were trying to pressure him in a really awful way.
Which one was that?


@TWAIN, if you don’t want to quote posts, can you at least

bold

or

underline

the things you quote? it’s difficult to find your answers in there. Thanks

[ejjinami]

Btw, I’d be fine with lynching Kop here, I think.
The only thing he posted (till the time I started writing this post) was him being against lynching lynchbait. He didn’t try to talk about their alignment, nor write anything that would indicate him actually trying to scumhunt.
Dunno how he plays normally, but as for now I’d say it’s possible he’s scum, aiming for easy contribution.
Or at least, he hasn’t written anything till now, that would make me want him to stay here.

[ejjinami]

VOTE: kop
I'm kinda recluctant to switch votes, but I think it might do a bit better here.

[ejjinami]

Nauci (4) - Kop, Alchemist21, Mumble, BlueBloodedToffee

I think nauci might be town based on the people who voted her. Besides alchemist all of them are people on whom I haven't been able to get a read till now.
Idk if I can read her by any other means rn.
And kop’s vote on her was RvS, so I don’t think it counts.
….
ugh
that's not a strong read btw

Irrelephant

>>88
>(wait, his? Twaiin are you a he I'm sorry yes you are, your avi got me)

Did you really feel the need to actually post this?

>>200
>lol did NOT mean to click post yet

And did you really not mean to? I now see what Nauci was warning about, these posts of yours really feel like you're putting on an act.

How confident are you in that read?

Btw, this ^ kinda pings me, but I can't really put my finger on it. I’d kinda want to say the paranoia of the nice tone is a town-sign, but idk…
I'm kinda leaning that it is, but it feels kinda easy as for a read from a paranoid townie

[Irrelephant11]

Welcome to the game Kop. Who's scum, and why isn't it Nauci?

Why nauci in particular?
And does that mean you do have a read on her?

She's a townlean for me until further notice - I've explained this recently, so. Mostly this comment, though, was about how I didn't like that Kop just left his RVS vote after enough AI stuff had happened to be able to provide reads

tchill I mostly wanted to know what experience you have with bbt that would make you say he should "light the way" for town.

I'm still a little lost why you wouldn't want to answer the question as town.

I would love to have answer to both of those.

honestly? why would he not want to answer the question as scum?
Does it even matter?
You're making it sound like it's sufficiently AI to change your read on him and I don't really like that tbh.
You're either making a big deal for exactly no reason, or were trying to pressure him in a really awful way.
Which one was that?

I choose C) I was getting legit confused and wanted an answer. It doesn't affect my read much, but since he was refusing to acknowledge his own motivation even as other players continued to bring it up, it was going from "oh that's just how he plays I guess" to "wow he's being really stubborn even after other players have started to push him on it, what does that mean?"
Also, there is potential scum motivation to ignore the question, at least at first. I've said this already, and feel like you're not really trying to find all the context of the conversation? which is frustrating but not that AI I guess

I mean scum reason to ignore me would be to provide me with less information regarding your reasoning/associations. I guess it's fair that there could be town reasoning, now that you mention it. Why don't you want to answer the question?

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 1.6

Nauci (5) - Kop, Alchemist21, Mumble, BlueBloodedToffee, Lalendra
Mumble (3) - Tchill13, northsidegal, Irrelephant11
DrDolittle (2) - Rei, Nauci
Irrelephant11 (2) - TWAIN, DrDolittle
Kop (1) - ejjinami
TWAIN (0) -
BlueBloodedToffee (0) -
Alchemist21 (0) -
ejjinami (0) -
northsidegal (0) -
Lalendra (0) -
Tchill13 (0) -
Rei (0) -

Not Voting:

ACTIVITY NOTES:
Lalendra is noted to be permanently V/LA on weekends.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Thursday, August 16th at 11:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2018-08-16 11:00:00)

[Tchill13]

So yall all know mumble is town? How's that?

[Kop]

Votes on Nauci or NSG? If so why is your vote not on there yet?

Surface level scum hunting from DDL. Not a fan of his play to this point.

I actually reread the thread a couple of times Friday and Saturday to try and figure out where I wanted to pressure, but couldn't settle any where in particular among the people I don't town read, and think that Irrelephant isn't any worse or better than those wagons. I think the DDL wagon is more effective w/o the person he's voting on it, and I don't think Irrelephant has been towny yet and that he does respond to pressure.

I'd say my reads at the moment are

Slight Town Lean:

ejjnami
tchill
twain

Conflicted Null:

BBT
Mumble
DDL

Unknown null:

Irrelephant
Rei
Alchemist

Slight Scum Lean:

NSG
Lalendra
Kop

But with half of the game not having post much and a bias against lurkers, it's hard to say.

My experience with NSG is that she's more talkative later in the game but casually chatty in the beginning, but I thought she'd been kinda busy in general lately (though, that *is* weird to then /in games). I thought I'd wait until tomorrow since people are inactive on the weekends.

This looks like a scum post, trying to look like they're engaging with the game. So many words and yet so little said. Like, two separate null categories is just bad, but it's there to fluff the 'reads-list' out a little. Not to mention the reads are very safe.

first of all, i kind of think that nauci is town here.

Alright. I'm listening.

I'm not lynching Someone who's known as lynchbait and has only made one post because that's too easy, anyone pushing that is coming off as false scum hunting imo.

I mean, it could also be argued that scum reading TChill for pushing lurkers is an equally 'easy' read to give/push.

Fair comment. It is different to how some people see it, so we will see it in different light, I guess.

I do need to spend some time catching up because I'm behind with what's going on. Hopefully that day will be tomorrow as I've been snowed under with work these last few days.

UNVOTE: Nauci for now.

[Nauci]

No time to do anything other than skim games today but I'll try to late night

[northsidegal]

It's a annoying and I want to scream f-bombs at him, but it pretty much lock towns him for me.

i'm not sure i've ever seen town you pass up the opportunity to be snarky at someone who's wrong

although your being more engaged makes me doubt my scumread

[northsidegal]

This looks like a scum post, trying to look like they're engaging with the game. So many words and yet so little said. Like, two separate null categories is just bad, but it's there to fluff the 'reads-list' out a little. Not to mention the reads are very safe.

i don't think these things are actually scum-indicative

[Tchill13]

It's a annoying and I want to scream f-bombs at him, but it pretty much lock towns him for me.

i'm not sure i've ever seen town you pass up the opportunity to be snarky at someone who's wrong

although your being more engaged makes me doubt my scumread

Activity is NAI right? Or is that a meta read?

[northsidegal]

it's a meta read

[BlueBloodedToffee]

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i don't think these things are actually scum-indicative

I do.

[Tchill13]

it's a meta read

So if mumble is active he's automatically not scum?

[Tchill13]

I can get behind BBT's train of thought.

[northsidegal]

it's a meta read

So if mumble is active he's automatically not scum?

you're deliberately oversimplifying things here

[Tchill13]

I'm pointing out why he needs to be lynched.

[Nauci]

it's a meta read

Based on skimming 5 of Mumble's past games I think there's a hollistic difference but I don't want to mention it this early and disrupt the behavior

Before people ask: I mentioned Irrelephant's behavior/tone early because it's

not

alignment indicative.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So yall all know mumble is town? How's that?

Mumbles posting is actually decent - plus the CW to Nauci was way too easy.

A question for you - why Mumbles over say Kop or Lalendra? Not only is Kop a low poster but what he has posted has been bad.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nsg, also still waiting for you tell me why Nauci is town.