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Post Post #4300 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:41 am

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There should be a wagon-currency.
1 wagon worth, 20$?
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Post Post #4301 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:43 am

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In post 4273, Not_Mafia wrote:I think we should all get a site award for suffering the indignity of being exposed to the term "wagonomics"
In post 4274, Sashaddin wrote:The Wagonomy class begins at noon.

Thanks Nauci!
I never fail to be amused by the humor players bring to this site :)
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Post Post #4302 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:47 am

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In post 4295, Saudade wrote:I cant wait for Nauci's judging summary of the game
I look forward to it too lol
In post 4297, Doughboy wrote:
In post 4294, Saudade wrote:I won this game but mr rogers killed my will to live
Rogers was definitely something else.
I was very disappointed that after all his engagement in the game, he suddenly vanished. He could at least tell us why he had to go.
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Post Post #4303 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:28 am

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Was he an alt account?
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Post Post #4304 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:29 am

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I don't know if he was an alt account. I wouldn't know.
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Post Post #4305 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:10 am

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You kids settle down now lol

I'll try to post my comments and views minus the sass when I finally get home to my computer this afternoon
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Post Post #4306 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:29 am

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I want the sass though
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Post Post #4307 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:00 am

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In post 4305, Nauci wrote:minus the sass
Why would you do this?
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Post Post #4308 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:09 am

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We demand sass!
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Post Post #4309 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:11 am

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Sassonomics
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Post Post #4310 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:38 am

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Sass massacre, sassacre!
<Embrace The Void>


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Post Post #4311 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:15 pm

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You'll see all my messy bitch sass in the spectator thread lol
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Post Post #4312 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:10 am

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Post Post #4313 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:36 am

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I legit didn’t know no lynch works on 3/6 rather than 4/6

I kinda got so bored of the game I thought the constant no kills = town win but then when Nauci said Draw I was like shit I’m actually have to work this out and I really couldn’t be bothered


If I am being brutally brutally honest I would have liked Akarin to at least question me before voting but on self reflection if I’m not towny enough to make people not bother I’m equally at fault


If gamma wants to shit on me in dead threads he can do that, I’m genuinely not bothered and can happily admit scum played better than I did here but also i won’t forget and I’d point out it says more about you than me
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Post Post #4314 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:41 am

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Profii: What was I supposed to question you about? From where I'm sitting, Creature could have won on the previous day and chose not to. I thought about voting then but decided to go through the rest of both of your ISOs and look at a few key other events and found nothing for you that made me think OBVTOWN! and nothing on Creature that made me think OBVSUCM! so that's when I voted.

You weren't going to convince me of anything at that point, so I saw no point in waiting for you.

I think if you'd made a case on creature (or me) in a way that looks especially towny it would have made me hesitate there, but you had the time and didn't, seemed like you had pretty much checked out of caring. I saw no reason to drag it out.
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Post Post #4315 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:42 am

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Town lost the instant Rogers said "wagonomics", the blame rests entirely on his shoulders
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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Post Post #4316 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:42 am

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Also, it's crazy how neither of your slots reacted to the initial gunsmith claim at all until way
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after the fact.
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Post Post #4317 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:46 am

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In post 4314, Akarin wrote:Profii: What was I supposed to question you about? From where I'm sitting, Creature could have won on the previous day and chose not to. I thought about voting then but decided to go through the rest of both of your ISOs and look at a few key other events and found nothing for you that made me think OBVTOWN! and nothing on Creature that made me think OBVSUCM! so that's when I voted.

You weren't going to convince me of anything at that point, so I saw no point in waiting for you.

I think if you'd made a case on creature (or me) in a way that looks especially towny it would have made me hesitate there, but you had the time and didn't, seemed like you had pretty much checked out of caring. I saw no reason to drag it out.
Yea that’s my point I didn’t make myself look Town so don’t really need to say any more

I put Nauci as MVP for this game :lol:
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Post Post #4318 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:50 am

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Reading the mod thread I just want to give Day 1 Nauci a hug.
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Post Post #4319 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:08 am

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Oops one of my edits didn't successfully go through (am on very spotty 4g on mobile still)

The moderation wasn't that bad actually. I just was very melodramatic internally because it was my first time running a game and I didn't expect to or quite know how to handle certain situations. I was really worried that people wouldn't want to replace into the game any more since it had a billion pages.

Fortunately Akarin and NM and Alonzo and others stepped in. Thank you guys again!
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Post Post #4320 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:09 am

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I definitely don't envy you guys for repping into a game with a 100+ page day 1 that was as chaotic as this was.
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Post Post #4321 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:12 am

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I still haven't actually read every post in the game, although I've gone over some sections a bunch of times
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Post Post #4322 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:13 am

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I think you did well Nauci
even though I hated all the messages you sent me, dont do this dont say that.. blahblah..
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Post Post #4323 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:50 am

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When "this" and "that" are "personal insults" and "demands to others to replace out" or "intentional thread spamming," it was very necessary.

The biggest takeaway I have for many players in this game is to spend more time on personal reflection and how you can contribute to convince others' of your views. Expecting or demanding others to behave a certain way is not only unproductive, but counter productive.

As many brilliant players before me said: your 3 goals in mafia as town are to come across as town to other players, make accurate reads of who scum and town are, and cooperate with town to convince others of your reads. Each step is as crucial as the others. If you're seeing something that others don't, explain it. Don't get frustrated that they aren't seeing it (yet). Frustrations and abrasive posting in this game was very demotivational and caused the game to go from 100+ pages in day 1 to barely any effort from anyone. All you can truly control is yourself, so try to be cooperative and positive. (I try hard to be patient and positive and put in effort and have an 11-1 town record to show for it.)

Otherwise, I would say that my key technique for sorting people in mafia is this: think in their point of view. Instead of evaluating how a player differed from what you think they should have done, think about whether their actions make sense in the game state from a town or a scum or a power role point of view. Akarin, even if ultimately wrong, was right to think about that creature skipped the opportunity to win outright when he could have as scum, theoretically.

Not_Mafia being alive made very little sense in the game state: why would there be a town gunsmith in addition to a town cop? Why would mafia shoot at light ethos instead of an investigative role who could have easily found them out? Why would NM not announce a check on the day he was lynched?

Upon seeing Flavor Leaf flip vanilla town, immediately think: why, if creature is town, would he play along with a false Mason claim? If he's vanilla town, it makes no sense because he is blindly giving conftown status to someone whose alignment he does not know. It only makes sense for town to fake claim Mason if they have an investigative role with a green check on that person, and that person somehow can know their alignment in return (but even then, not really because the investigative would be just as at risk of being night killed, without being truthful about role or results, and would then also risk being lynched). I have no explanation for FL's actions besides that he likes to take crazy risks, but the game was recoverable from that moment if the game state was considered.

Those who remained in the game should strive to write up summaries of key moments for replacements, because it was incredibly difficult to understand what happened with the fake Mason claim or all of the PR claims otherwise, when that information was crucial to the solve.

Also, always suspect lurkers, and always suspect self voting. It's very WIFOM and seems too obvious to be true, but I've seen tons of scum have sentiments like "everyone is so town I don't know who to FOS" or even self vote because it's too difficult to spin up tales to incriminate others. It's become a common appeal to emotion to be frustrated enough or even just to sarcastically self vote as scum.

I don't really have feedback for scum players because NM is always going to NM and Creature played pretty well. With enough experience it'd have been obviously Scum!Creature meta but for the climate of this game it worked great.
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Post Post #4324 (ISO) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:02 pm

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In my mind I was like vig cop + scum doc + gunsmith could just be setup for fake guilties all over the place

The fact we removed vig, cop and never had a scum doc is beside the point!
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