This is a scum usage of the power, because the town usage of it would be visiting Trivium.
In post 908, xwing wrote:i wont bother answering mastina's accusations against me right now unless it gains steam..
but if i only read mastina by herself, i dont feel so good about that slot..basically it's just "i'll vote here, im having a bad day cant stay long..bye.." (oversimplification but you get my drift)
These two do not go together.
The very fact that I have made accusations against you is proof that I have done more than what you are implying I have:
In post 611, mastina wrote:Both scum bussed, and these two by far stood out as the most likely candidates.
In post 667, mastina wrote:Also, it did not escape my notice that the Rob wagon, likely on scum, went from near lynch to collapsed literally overnight, replaced by the godawful Wagonomics countetwagon.
In post 670, mastina wrote:Trivium
Wagonomics
Nikk
LolWagons
Lapsa
Sashadin
Flubbernugget
profii
Egix
xwing
Robert
To not set expectations too high tho: I basically recorded thoughts documenting conclusions, rather than the actual process behind the thought.
But when I can actually POST said conclusions, I can run through how I got them.
In post 866, mastina wrote: In post 719, xwing wrote:i'm annoyed with how the last day went..didnt even wait for everyone to have their say before the lynch when we had plenty of time to discuss..i thought we were in agreement that we were going to look at profii slot? how come it changed to wagonomics?
VOTE: profii
also, flubber NK highly suggests robert as scum, unless it's a frame-up job..
The real question is: how come the wagon changed from Robert--who WAS CLOSE TO BEING LYNCHED YESTERDAY (Robert got to either L-2 or maybe even L-1, and then, randomly, for
no reason whatsoever
, that wagon reversed onto Wagonomics IN SPITE OF ME SAYING THAT I HAD WAGON AS MY STRONGEST TOWNREAD FOR GOOD REASON)--onto Wagonomics?
And for that matter...how come you correctly note that the Flubber nightkill is yet more evidence of Robert as scum...yet instead vote
profii
?
It's posts like this which are why xwing is my top pick for Robert's scumbuddy. This reluctance to outright bus has been present the whole game.
In post 869, mastina wrote: In post 769, xwing wrote: In post 756, Trivium wrote:I'm trying to think of a reason you shouldn't believe me xwing, I really am, and I can't find any. Unless there's a mafia roleblocker who blocked flubber's neighborizing *and* maf killed flub the same night while somehow knowing flubber was both neighborizer and was going to neighborize me tonight... I mean, I'm town.
i havent encountered this role before so im not so sure how it plays..
im thinking scum can also claim they were neighborized then someone would cc then it would be a 1v1..
but then it would be 1 town for 1 scum so it's anti-scum play..
okay that makes sense i didnt think it through much..sorry mr. armless..
@profii: processing.........gimme time..
And yet more reasons why I feel xwing is Robert's scumbuddy.
xwing was looking for any angle to cast shade on the conftown to make them not be conftown. (In a very either-MathBlade-or-Titus-I-forget-which-of-the-two-used-this-tacticesque way.) When the angle pursued was shut down, xwing was forced to back down, but this was not a town train to be going down in the first place.
In post 870, mastina wrote:Robert reeked even stronger than xwing did on D1 of a scumbuddy who was reluctant to bus, being eventually convinced to hop on--in his case, as the hammer vote. He did everything he could to try and not be on that wagon, and only when it was inevitable did he hammer, with great reluctance. That is what I was trying to say yesterday but didn't get an opportunity to show.
And then yesterday, this scumness continued. We wagoned Robert--but at the last minute, this was diverted onto Wagonomics.
And today, people are trying to do the same thing.
We wagoned Robert to L-1.
And now, people are trying to divert onto profii.
How many days will you go wagoning Robert up, only to decide to switch to a player that then flips town, before you realize you shouldn't have switched off his wagon?
To give follow-through on my notes: believe it or not, in my original analysis eyeballing the wagon, Robert was the player I found least-suspicious positioning-wise. With the assumption both scum bussed--which is a fairly likely assumption when you have a D1 scum lynch and lack counterwagons--I actually found that it was Egix > xwing > profii/Robert equally, off of blind VCA.
But that was blind VCA, on wagon positioning; Egix and xwing were in optimal bus-vote range, whereas profii and Robert were possible bus votes but less likely.
I did note a couple other votecounts other than the day-end one:
In post 475, schadd_ wrote:TheGoldenParadox (6):
Trivium, LolWagons, Egix96, xwing, Nikk, profii
Lapsa (3):
Robert2424, Sashaddin, Wagonomics
Robert2424 (2):
Doughboy, Flubbernugget
profii (1):
TheGoldenParadox
not voting (1):
Lapsa
Robert's vote here reeked of being scum
trying
for the counterwagon, only to eventually give up and hammer the scumbuddy.
In post 175, schadd_ wrote:TheGoldenParadox (4):
Trivium, LolWagons, Egix96, xwing
xwing (4):
TheGoldenParadox, Lapsa, Flubbernugget, profii
Lapsa (2):
Robert2424, Nikk
Wagonomics (1):
Sashaddin
Robert2424 (1):
Doughboy
Nikk (1):
Wagonomics
Here I noted that it was quite probable that both the lead wagons were on scum. The overall development of the wagons over the course of the day strongly suggested that scum were always on the line and that they didn't have a true counterwagon opportunity, instead opting to bus.
But then there was my analysis of pages 24, 23, 22, 21, and 20 (in that order).
This immediately pinged me, contrasting with Trivium and Wagonomics' much more town-sounding posts on that page.
In post 578, Robert2424 wrote:I mean, I think people are content with a Golden lynch. I can see Lapsa somewhere in there, but nobody feels strong on him as I do. But its either be part of a lynch, or be on a wagon that people won't get on.
Vote Golden
If Golden town, then I got a list, if not, we have a head start.
This was a textbook scum bus.
In post 566, xwing wrote:@lol thanks for answering, but i still think sasha is townie..i just didnt like his last sentence, seems AtoE..
im okay with egix/profii grill tom..profii moreso regardless of gp flip..profii reaction test just had me confused.. @_@
wagonomics slot seems townie to me..even if their post count is low and meme-y, his values counter gets updated everytime based on the events that are happening in game..
@wagonomics: why egix, and not profii?
@nikk: are you scum reading flubz still? who are your top scum reads again and why?
This post screamed scum. It looked like it was setting up for the long game, making preparations for a flip xwing already knew the details of.
In post 563, Nikk wrote:*walks away sadly with Charlie Brown sad music playing*
Nikk became a townread entirely because of posts like this, which I felt were in line with the type of posting Wagonomics and Trivium were making, albeit not as strongly.
In post 506, Robert2424 wrote:I'm going to have to reread here, some peoples reasoning confuses me. Like for an example, laspa unvote, Wagonomics putting me so low while 3 people were voting for me.
to me, Golden could flip either way, though I would prefer laspa. Wagonomics seems willing to hammer golden.
Everyone seems in favor of a lynch, except Lapsa. so unless somebody jumps on Lapsa still, witch I don't think is very likely, Golden seems to be the person for today.
So the question is would I want to hammer Golden myself. I put in an earlier post somebody to try to convince me to vote for him, but nobody seemed to notice or care. So I have to wonder, who would people want to have hammer him?
Not only was this fishing for a counterwagon, but it was prodding for opinions on what he should do--what the towniest action for him would be, if it'd look better for him to hammer or worse for him to hammer.
In post 504, xwing wrote: In post 500, Trivium wrote:I don't like that lol's talking about why they might be left alive tonight already, but whatever
i can get why you find this icky, but at this point just put it under "noted" section..lolwagon's too far from the global scummy list..
that said, tgp claim makes me think he might actually really be town
..my next scum would be profii too anyway though so should still be fine, i guess..
i was initially skeptical with trivium's intent to hammer, but upon ISO, found him consistent in reading tgp as scummy..so my fears subsided a bit..
i still think db is town, his play is quite similar to when i've played with him..but hope he picks up his activity, he's pretty good at scum hunting (when he doesnt let his emotions get the better of him)..
@lol, interesting take on sasha, can you expand a bit more? still think he's town at this point..
This is what really spiked me on xwing. The bolded looked like trying to find a way, an excuse, to get off of a wagon that xwing didn't know was going to go that far, and there's multiple angles to approach it from, where xwing casts shade on multiple players in the game.
In post 488, xwing wrote:regardless of how gp flips, i think we need to take a look at profii, not feeling comfy with this slot..
see my post
414, middle part talks about profii
i think just blindly voting someone OUTSIDE of rvs based on OLD information is very, very scummy and i see this as more of a scumslip than gp statement..
This further felt like setting up a mislynch after knowing the results of the D1 lynch.
There's more to my notes than that, but these are some of the important highlights.