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[Creature]

I suppose Weiss is really a rolecop and I find it unlikely for scum to have watcher + rolecop with two masons, one vig and me.

[Creature]

I'd rather not claim my role tbh

[Weiss Schnee]

I'm trying to decide if there is any reason not to just finish claiming his role

I feel like I usually end up regretting it later

mostly it's potentially useful to know where people go before we start talking setup spec and mech

I'm worried a lot of discussion will focus on his night 1 action and we won't get a clear answer so it would be helpful if we get reads from people before I finish claiming his role

[Weiss Schnee]

Can you claim your n1?

[stan1ey]

i'll let weiss decide then. if you wanna lynch creature instead wiess ill join, i dont think it matters either way

[Weiss Schnee]

Creature how much do you remember from Children of Hurin?

[Creature]

Creature how much do you remember from Children of Hurin?

I remember roleblocker selfhammering D1 and game ending in a scum win because of a shitty red herring.

[Weiss Schnee]

Can you claim your n1?

[Creature]

Alonzo.

[Weiss Schnee]

That's weird

Well, at least, it implies that if you are town, that scum did in fact kill flippynips

[Weiss Schnee]

Alright whatever I'm just going to finish the claim, I know Creature doesn't prefer it but w/e we should just discuss in case I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Creature is a 2-shot Jailkeeper.

I think Roleclaim is probably the best way to go.

Im a town roleblocker, N1 I rbd Creature, Last night I roleblocked Weiss.

So we have to think about why Alonzo would claim this. He would therefore have to know he was roleblocked n1. But I see nothing in the setup post about scum being multitasking, and I see no reason that scum would opt for Alonzo to do the nightkill over performing his watching action. This means that if Creature is town, scum killed FlippyNips and actually double-killed him with Joges.

Obviously Alonzo knew he was roleblocked--and he would know that, the implication of that roleblock, would be that the roleblocker would think they prevented the scum kill n1, so he was going to come under pressure. Now, if on night 2, he saw your second jailkeep, then he would have a strong suspicion that you were the roleblocker and would want to pre-empt your n1 roleblock claim. That's like a pretty savvy move though.

WHEN I flip town, you will see it can only really be Creature, Weiss plus one.

Im thinking Weiss is the goon, creature the scum PR hence why they moved so fast to counterclaim...

The other thing that bothers me here is his tone. He seems tilted over me being 'fast' to counter-claim. So we can be certain that he did in fact plan to counter-claim you in particular and I guess planned on a 1v1 between you and him.

I guess your early posts do match this.

My main concern was that you were trying to play like Maria/Gamma in late Children of Hurin, precipitate a mechanical-crossclaim, and gain towncred. And partly the problem here is that I would feel slightly better this was not the case had you actually blocked the scum kill, but I don't see how we can conclude that from the evidence at hand.

*****THAT BEING SAID*****

This is just something on my mind and I am not at present arguing for a Creature lynch.

I just think it is worthwhile evaluating.

[Weiss Schnee]

I think the incoherence of Alonzo's claim makes slightly more sense if Creature is town but I'm not 100%

Like if this was a cross-claim Creature and Alonzo discussed beforehand, wouldn't Alonzo's targets have made more sense rather than if he'd just made them up on the spot?

Hmmm

[Weiss Schnee]

This would also imply, for Alonzo to know you were the roleblocker, the person you blocked n2 might have more scum equity as a potential scum pr

who did you block n2?

[Weiss Schnee]

although the chance of Creature scum after jibril's flip would mean both persivul and rb replaced out because... of theater?

wtf that would hurt my brain if it was the case

n2 result would be good still

[Weiss Schnee]

Spoiler:

no, it fucking

is not

. who in their right mind actually reads "yeah this person is always scum here" or "this person is always town here" as referring to the website and not

the game

?

People who understand the meaning of the word "always."

If you meant "definitely," it's not our fault you didn't actually say that.

no, it fucking

is not

. who in their right mind actually reads "yeah this person is always scum here" or "this person is always town here" as referring to the website and not

the game

?

People who understand the meaning of the word "always."

If you meant "definitely," it's not our fault you didn't actually say that.

"Always" fits fine with what Ruby was saying. You're a bit of a pedant.

"Always" fits fine with what Ruby was saying. You're a bit of a pedant.

Do you think Ruby scum reading Thespio because he misread what he wrote is fair?

wait no persivul replaced out because of ruby red/thespio interactions

I can see why people were scumreading stan for posts like 312 a bit easier now

[Weiss Schnee]

Jibril terribad reads

Imanity

Ruby
Joges
Or
Slaxx

Mumble

Werebeast

Weiss

(even humans aren't this slow, something is off)

Emporer
Tttt

Alonzo

Stan1ey
Creature

jibril replaced into a slot that explicitly open wolfed, where ever vote he cast is on a person who is now dead and flipped town

and in mylo yesterday she pushed stan who flavor leaf had presented as an obvious lynch, not thinking stan had been an inno

did jibril completely flip scripts and shift from open wolfing to bussing everyone on her team or did she leave mumble as a low clear?

[Weiss Schnee]

I didn’t say Stan was my choice for the lynch.

Just letting it be there, that if you guys have a question needed to be answered and I’m not around to say it.

The answer is Stan1ey.

is jibril bringing this up this w/w in mylo

what really bugged me here is I had just looked at that post and I thought that was the post where flavor leaf was fakesofting to back up his "weak invest" fakeclaim. Fucking flavor leaf and his weird plays

but what does jibril as scum do with that--she pushes a mislynch? or she uses it as a pretext to bus?

[Weiss Schnee]

hello
VOTE: rb

stan can you explain this rvs vote a bit more plz

[Weiss Schnee]

Creature if you thought Alonzo was scum why didn't you talk about him at all on d1?

[Weiss Schnee]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Bittersweet

But then TTTT votes Bittersweet. Seems rather obvious if scum is trying to get momentum going. Given the vote count is a few posts up why couldn't it be that joges just noticed where TTTT's vote was after he voted and then brought it up?

but the exchange makes me lean towards Flavor Leaf...being town.

Why? I struggle to understand how you actually got something AI for FL from that interaction.

VOTE: Thespio

UNVOTE:

Couple pages to catch up on.

I kind of want to just channel Tchill for today...which is odd for me to think.

Kyouko, what do you think -- is this how Mumble distances d1?

[Weiss Schnee]

Spoiler:

VOTE: rb

I'll lynch him today just to be rid of the wow/imo

wow what's wrong with it

It's fucking annoying. You know that. We were in another game where it was an issue.

this town knows how to wagon

Wagons can be great for catching scum, BUT...if you announce that you're making wagons early just for the sake of making wagons, they lose their effectiveness.

by my count that's L-1

Flavor
or
stan
Thes
Pers
Saud

Is that L1 now?

Seriously?
UNVOTE:

is this how Persivul backs off rvs distancing....? prolly not

[Weiss Schnee]

There's actually a lot more to process with the rb/jibril flip than I anticipated

I'm probably leaning kyouko right now but I think I need to take a step back for a bit and hear what you guys think

[Weiss Schnee]

VC 1:

rb

(4):

or,

stan1ey,

Thespio, Saudade

TTTT (3): Emperor flippyNips

, Mumble,

rb

joges (1): TTTT

or (1)

:

Bittersweet

Not Voting (4):

214chrnor, joges,

Persivul,

Flavor Leaf

VC 2:

Bittersweet

(3): Mumble,

TTTT, Ruby Red

rb (3)

: stan1ey,

Thespio, Saudade

TTTT (2): Emperor flippyNips,

rb

stan1ey (2):

or, joges

or

(1):

Bittersweet

joges

(1): Persivul

Not Voting (1):

Flavor Leaf

VC3:

rb

(3): stan1ey,

Thespio, Saudade

stan1ey (2):

or, joges

Thespio (2): Ruby Red, TTTT

Flavor Leaf (2)

:

rb,

Persivul

Bittersweet

(1): Mumble

joges (1): Emperor flippyNips

or (1)

:

Bittersweet

Not Voting (1):

Flavor Leaf

VC 4:

Slaxx (3): Ruby Red, TTTT,

Mumble

Jibril

(2):

Saudade, Slaxx

stan1ey (2):

or, joges

Flavor Leaf

(2):

Jibril

, Creature

or

(2):

Alonzo

, stan1ey

joges

(1):

Emperor flippyNips

Not Voting (1):

Flavor Leaf

VC5:

stan1ey (4):

or, joges, Flavor Leaf,

Jibril

Slaxx (3): Ruby Red, TTTT,

Mumble

Flavor Leaf

(1): Creature

or

(1): stan1ey

Jibril

(1):

Weiss Schnee

joges (1): Emperor flippyNips

Not Voting (2):

Alonzo,

Slaxx

Need to figure a way to automate this 0.o

[Weiss Schnee]

Spoiler:

Will you teach me how to play, Master?~

here's a start. type in

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[vote]stan1ey[/vote]

Thank you.

VOTE: stan1ey

I didn’t say Stan was my choice for the lynch.

Just letting it be there, that if you guys have a question needed to be answered and I’m not around to say it.

The answer is Stan1ey.

Tttt looked like a Werebeast, I would understand.

I think it's stan1ey, joges, creature.

so jibril replaced into a slot that had been open wolfing and then decided to continue open wolving but with different targets?

sorry these questions probably aren't helping I'm just basically thinking out loud

[Weiss Schnee]

VC 4:

Slaxx (3): Ruby Red, TTTT,

Mumble

Jibril

(2):

Saudade, Slaxx

stan1ey (2):

or, joges

Flavor Leaf

(2):

Jibril

, Creature

or

(2):

Alonzo

, stan1ey

joges

(1):

Emperor flippyNips

Not Voting (1):

Flavor Leaf

stan strikes me as a "spread the scum" scum player so this one would surprise me a bit for stan scum

if we're looking at classic scum spread mumble looks bad here