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[Weiss Schnee]

although it is an omgus? hmmm maybe not enough to clear, just a little surprising

[Weiss Schnee]

shit I've newpaged myself

I should stop for abit

[Weiss Schnee]

Kyouko if you're town you're going to have to show up to prevent your mislynch because your slot looks bad

[Weiss Schnee]

I didn’t say Stan was my choice for the lynch.

Just letting it be there, that if you guys have a question needed to be answered and I’m not around to say it.

The answer is Stan1ey.

Ive been trying to decide how ai this post is

I mean stan town explains why jibril as scum doesn't shoot fl right?

Still working this line of reasoning and im not sure you're town rn

I knew there was something else here

if we can locktown stan, despite his rather shit early game iso, I think we win with kyouko --> creature

sorry for the continued spam but I was just reread stuff and came across this thought and was like, damn, I like it still

[Weiss Schnee]

unless I somehow have it backward and jibril was just hoping FL would die on the stan check lol

that would suck

well that's why I'm spamming my thought process to see what you guys think

wish you all weren't asleep rn tho

[Creature]

who did you block n2?

or

[Creature]

although the chance of Creature scum after jibril's flip would mean both persivul and rb replaced out because... of theater?

It's against the rules.

[Creature]

Creature if you thought Alonzo was scum why didn't you talk about him at all on d1?

because there was a nightkill and I assumed it couldn't be Alonzo doing the kill.

[Creature]

Kyouko your slot looks bad

Said it a lot.

[stan1ey]

@weiss my RVS vote was just a random vote. Ik that my early game was bad, that was a mix of me generelly not enjoying early game anyway, i prefer going off of peoples actions rather than meta or tone so i dont really do much early game anyway, plus i had a couple of really busy weeks at work and just wasnt really keeping up with the game anyway. but i think since then ive proved myself and as long as i dont get mislynched 3/5 players are confirmed, we have 1 scum left its a free win

[stan1ey]

Lets just quick lynch ssbm, im pretty sure its him now and this games pretty much over

[Creature]

ssbm being scum means I was 2/3

Hopefully I was right about it

[Weiss Schnee]

Well I really want to hear or's take, he's been the strongest advocate of Stan as scum

Right now we have:
Kyouko :
Mumble did some distancing n1, but also tended to avoid the wagons of the other scum, which is a pattern some scum teams fall into (but not always)
Mumble kind of vanished d1, which is NAI for him afaik, but Kyouko basically lurked out of claiming to joges and now has basically checked out of this game but is posting elsewhere. The ellitell is often quite bad, but if she has just already written this game off as a loss that would explain the sudden drop in activity after the push for jibril being the vig target began
Not really a ton of solving outside of that from either player in this slot

Creature:
Setup spec suggests that masons + rolecop + 2-shot jailor + vig is a pretty heavy power structure for town, but without knowing if scum have a second tpr in addition to watcher I don't know for sure it is too much
I'm still struggling to understand why Alonzo claimed roleblocker vs me and Creature, and one theory is that he wanted to pretend to have a mechanical cross-claim with Creature so that whoever won got towncred (and I'd like or to say whether he thinks this is all just tinfoil or not)

stan:
If stan is scum then there was a pretty savvy cross-bus between jibril and stan; stan suggesting jibril for the vig shot and jibril suggesting stan as Flavor Leaf's "if I'm not here" lynch would make this one of the more impressive cross-busses I have seen recently if it is the case.
Early game iso is pretty bad, but the voting patterns for me very slightly point away from scum

I really wish I was at a point of "This one player out of the three never, ever flips scum" but I'm not at that point right now. I'm at various levels of surprise. I can see kyouko flipping scum very easily. I can see Creature flipping scum if he decided to channel his inner MariaR this game. I would be a bit surprised if stan flipped scum, because that's a pretty savvy cross-bus for like his... second? scum game on site. (or was it third idr)

Kinda hoping or comes in and says "nah Creature just never flips scum here" and then we can lynch kyoko and hopefully this game is just won at that point.

[or]

Weiss, look at the setup for this game. viewtopic.php?f=53&t=77657

[or]

Do you think town power levels are similar?

[Creature]

Rolecop isn't that powerful tbh. If there's no second scum PR, then basically it could at most catch one scum.

[Creature]

also I dunno why mafia jailkeeper would be limited to 2-shot.

[stan1ey]

Pretty sure ssbm has given up with this game, its over already cmon lets hammer him and finish

[or]

I'll play the odds but I think ssbm is right VOTE: ssbm

[Weiss Schnee]

It's mostly the masons that make me nervous. Rolecop here can identify mechanical townclears (vig, mason) which allows for there to be a mechanical townblock with 0% doubt. It's a lot of power even if the rolecop can't catch scum

But no, I have no idea how a 2-shot scum jailkeeper would at all make this scenario make more sense or more balanced. I'm kinda thinking kyouko flips like.... scum hider? Something to fuck with the vig more directly?

idk tho

I'm pretty okay with just flipping kyouko. I just want to know, if we're somehow wrong about kyouko, what town should do in 3-way, since it is likely or will be dead if we are wrong here (unless stan lied about being vanilla -- in which case, ballsy)

[or]

Well you're conf town too since creature clears you.

[Weiss Schnee]

But would you go kyoko-->creature or kyouko-->stan at this point?

[or]

Hmm. Vig identifies himself and masons identify each other. Theres little reason that a role cop is even needed for this town block.

[or]

Right now after going through iso a couple minutes ago I'd go with stan

[Weiss Schnee]

True.

idk rolecop just sounds strong to me because it has the word "cop" and I get a straight answer from the mod about some part of someone's role

but it's possible I really am just overvaluing it in terms of balance, given goons act like quasi-godfathers

Watcher+Goon+2-shot JK vs. Mason-Mason-Vig-Rolecop

Actually I have a hard time seeing that, I'd be worried people would say it was scumsided

I guess... idk I'm starting to think we just do kyouko because it's just the right answer