Mini 2057: Year 2057 (Game Over)

[TemporalLich]

For arguments sake though, you think SK!RC would try to lead a lynch day 1 and risk getting NKed that night or lynched the next day?

No but this sounds like WIFOM don't you think?

[Vedith]

No but this sounds like WIFOM don't you think?

I don't get it though, why did SK pop up instead of just Scum or against town?

[TemporalLich]

No but this sounds like WIFOM don't you think?

I don't get it though, why did SK pop up instead of just Scum or against town?

Let's be real here, RC is scum either way. RC doesn't even seem to appear to have any buddies so SK is somewhat more likely than Mafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll give u a hint

It's because he knows I'm not mafia

[ssbm_Kyouko]

For arguments sake though, you think SK!RC would try to lead a lynch day 1 and risk getting NKed that night or lynched the next day?

No but this sounds like WIFOM don't you think?

No, I think it is explicitly against 3rd party's wincon to draw attention to themselves by leading a wagon regardless of the alignment of the lynchee.

I think you don't have any legitimate scumreads and your wagon won't gain traction at this point because you're scum and your partners are unwilling to bus you so early on. When the official VC comes you'll probably hit L-2 if xwing doesn't change his mind about you.

Your ISO lacks scumhunting and your voting patterns suggest you are voting for anyone who looks like a viable counterwagon to yourself.

[Vedith]

Let's be real here, RC is scum either way. RC doesn't even seem to appear to have any buddies so SK is somewhat more likely than Mafia.

RC being wrong doesn't mean Scum at all.
RC being wrong just means RC being wrong and having too much of an ego to understand.

I doubt Scum. I wouldn't even consider SK until evidence.

Why do you think that RC has no buddies?

[xwing]

Lich had 3 votes, Gamma was the one with 4 in the last official VC

oh, you're right..so dann's the 4th, make mine the 5th so it's still not the QH, should be fine..
VOTE: lich

SKs aren't in normals are they? Been a while since I've been on site

there are no 3rd parties in normals..
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

No but this sounds like WIFOM don't you think?

I don't get it though, why did SK pop up instead of just Scum or against town?

Let's be real here, RC is scum either way. RC doesn't even seem to appear to have any buddies so SK is somewhat more likely than Mafia.

are you saying you're not getting any associatives with RC?
i've just skimmed the wiki (link above), there is no 3rd party role..so who do you think are RC's buddies now? i think TL's vote on RC is just an OMGUS vote..

[xwing]

whoops, i reread the wiki, seems SK is a possible role..can someone help me confirm as im not really familiar with game setups? it says:


The game should have at least one Mafia or Werewolf group (of at least two members). In mini games (at most 13 players), there must be exactly one such group, with no third parties. In large games (at least 14 players), a second anti-town group can be given a separate Mafia family name, or can be a Werewolf group, and there should be no more than two mafia/werewolf factions,

and no more than one Serial Killer.

[Vedith]

So there can't be a SK

[DrDolittle]

we are in a mini. this part you bolded is for large games.

[RadiantCowbells]

Let's be real here, RC is scum either way. RC doesn't even seem to appear to have any buddies so SK is somewhat more likely than Mafia.

RC being wrong doesn't mean Scum at all.
RC being wrong just means RC being wrong and having too much of an ego to understand.

I doubt Scum. I wouldn't even consider SK until evidence.

Why do you think that RC has no buddies?

what if rcs are just right

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Emperor, Dannflor, DrDolittle, and Gamma all register as "potentially scum" to me.

This is the only mention of Gamma in TL's ISO at the time he voted him.

Why Emperor? You have to justify it more than his RVS vote.

I looked at his ISO and his reason for his scumread doesn't hold up anymore.

Lovebird is still "potentially town" though.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This is the post in which TL voted Gamma. I don't think he had a legitimate reason to scumreads or vote him here. Gamma was the largest competing wagon to TL at the time. Before his vote was placed, it was Gamma with 2 votes and TL with 4 votes.

TL's first vote was RVS. His third and current vote is an OMGUS against RC. He's not voting based on reads, rather on what is convenient for him.

[Vedith]

what if rcs are just right

Then you're right.
What if Vedith is right?

[RadiantCowbells]

about what?

a knee jerk townread on a slot that only exists because i called it scum?

[Vedith]

about what?

a knee jerk townread on a slot that only exists because i called it scum?

I believe that you believe that's exactly what happened.

[RadiantCowbells]

i believe that you if town have convinced yourself that there was some higher purpose behind trying to spite the man

[xwing]

okay good, there's no SK..so we can drop that..
vedith, what are you town reading TL for, please let the rest of us know..
with or without RC, i still believe TL is the scummiest..

[Vedith]

okay good, there's no SK..so we can drop that..
vedith, what are you town reading TL for, please let the rest of us know..
with or without RC, i still believe TL is the scummiest..

It's just not realistic. They don't play like newbie Scum, they don't play like newbie town. Their actions up to this point can come from either align playing unexpectedly. The entire game pressure is on them and no where else. This means Scum is also pushing them or Scum are sitting back and letting town push it.
The reasons and voting are scuffed from Lich but I've seen enough games where players are lynched for this kind of shit and turn out town.

If Scum are sitting back then this is the easiest day 1 going for them.

[RadiantCowbells]

all of this fails to recognize that i have a better idea of what newbie town and scum do or do not play like and have a fairly strong track record in not mislynching weaker or unorthodox players

i think yumeko could easily be a buddy trying to keep them afloat. I think that there could be scum on the wagon. who knows. i do know that they're a wolf and i want to lynch the wolf.

[TemporalLich]

are you saying you're not getting any associatives with RC?
i've just skimmed the wiki (link above), there is no 3rd party role..so who do you think are RC's buddies now? i think TL's vote on RC is just an OMGUS vote..

Yes. RC is acting like a lone wolf.

Emperor if you swear loyalty to me I will spare you this lynch

I'd say since RC and Emperor seemed to be buddies early game, Emperor might be RC's buddy.

[RadiantCowbells]

lol

[RadiantCowbells]

town in this position doesn't think that some of the other people voting with me are my buddies? get real.
can we just... deal with this situation pls

[xwing]

okay good, there's no SK..so we can drop that..
vedith, what are you town reading TL for, please let the rest of us know..
with or without RC, i still believe TL is the scummiest..

It's just not realistic. They don't play like newbie Scum, they don't play like newbie town. Their actions up to this point can come from either align playing unexpectedly. The entire game pressure is on them and no where else. This means Scum is also pushing them or Scum are sitting back and letting town push it.
The reasons and voting are scuffed from Lich but I've seen enough games where players are lynched for this kind of shit and turn out town.

If Scum are sitting back then this is the easiest day 1 going for them.

i dont think this is going to be a bad lynch anyway, even if TL is town..we can scrutinize those who were on TL's wagon, as it's

quite unlikely

for him to be lynched with an all-town bloc..(dont discount this though, it happened to me already)..

also, what makes you think he's not playing like newbie town or scum? i think he's playing a bit newbie scum, with the OMGUS vote on RC and the grasping at straws for emp as RC's buddy based on RVS..
RC made another good point..if TL thinks RC is scum, then it's fairly normal to look at his (TL's) wagon and try to see who might be scum in there..
there's also the stiff resistance from both you and yumeko, which usually indicates scum, but for this instance, im not sure what to make of you two yet..

@yumeko:

what are you town reading TL for?

[xwing]

VOTE: Gamma
I don't like Lich.

DDL, what do you think of hop voting gamma while wanting a TL lynch?

[Vedith]

i dont think this is going to be a bad lynch anyway, even if TL is town..we can scrutinize those who were on TL's wagon, as it's quite unlikely for him to be lynched with an all-town bloc..(dont discount this though, it happened to me already)..

also, what makes you think he's not playing like newbie town or scum? i think he's playing a bit newbie scum, with the OMGUS vote on RC and the grasping at straws for emp as RC's buddy based on RVS..
RC made another good point..if TL thinks RC is scum, then it's fairly normal to look at his (TL's) wagon and try to see who might be scum in there..
there's also the stiff resistance from both you and yumeko, which usually indicates scum, but for this instance, im not sure what to make of you two yet..

I don't think the lynch will happen without Scum on it. I mean, Dann's on it. And I'm not sure how I feel on others yet.
A lynch isn't bad if it gives information.
Town!Lich here just means tomorrow we are most likely down 2 people and everyone goes well I followed RC.
I fail to see how that gives us information, how would it help with your reads though?

OMGUS is done enough by either align. And it's always a stupid reason for people to push a read. I see it in nearly every game.
Why would there have to be other Scum than RC on Lichs wagon when only 5 people voting?

Concerning me, I can tell you now I'm not worried on how you see my defending.