No but this sounds like WIFOM don't you think?In post 348, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:For arguments sake though, you think SK!RC would try to lead a lynch day 1 and risk getting NKed that night or lynched the next day?
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I don't get it though, why did SK pop up instead of just Scum or against town?In post 350, TemporalLich wrote:No but this sounds like WIFOM don't you think?I claim scum \o/- TemporalLich
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Let's be real here, RC is scum either way. RC doesn't even seem to appear to have any buddies so SK is somewhat more likely than Mafia.In post 351, Vedith wrote:
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No, I think it is explicitly against 3rd party's wincon to draw attention to themselves by leading a wagon regardless of the alignment of the lynchee.In post 350, TemporalLich wrote:
No but this sounds like WIFOM don't you think?In post 348, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:For arguments sake though, you think SK!RC would try to lead a lynch day 1 and risk getting NKed that night or lynched the next day?
I think you don't have any legitimate scumreads and your wagon won't gain traction at this point because you're scum and your partners are unwilling to bus you so early on. When the official VC comes you'll probably hit L-2 if xwing doesn't change his mind about you.
Your ISO lacks scumhunting and your voting patterns suggest you are voting for anyone who looks like a viable counterwagon to yourself.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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RC being wrong doesn't mean Scum at all.In post 352, TemporalLich wrote:Let's be real here, RC is scum either way. RC doesn't even seem to appear to have any buddies so SK is somewhat more likely than Mafia.
RC being wrong just means RC being wrong and having too much of an ego to understand.
I doubt Scum. I wouldn't even consider SK until evidence.
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oh, you're right..so dann's the 4th, make mine the 5th so it's still not the QH, should be fine..In post 346, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Lich had 3 votes, Gamma was the one with 4 in the last official VC
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there are no 3rd parties in normals..In post 347, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:SKs aren't in normals are they? Been a while since I've been on site
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are you saying you're not getting any associatives with RC?In post 352, TemporalLich wrote:
Let's be real here, RC is scum either way. RC doesn't even seem to appear to have any buddies so SK is somewhat more likely than Mafia.In post 351, Vedith wrote:
I don't get it though, why did SK pop up instead of just Scum or against town?In post 350, TemporalLich wrote:No but this sounds like WIFOM don't you think?
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what if rcs are just rightIn post 355, Vedith wrote:
RC being wrong doesn't mean Scum at all.In post 352, TemporalLich wrote:Let's be real here, RC is scum either way. RC doesn't even seem to appear to have any buddies so SK is somewhat more likely than Mafia.
RC being wrong just means RC being wrong and having too much of an ego to understand.
I doubt Scum. I wouldn't even consider SK until evidence.
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This is the only mention of Gamma in TL's ISO at the time he voted him.In post 161, TemporalLich wrote:Emperor, Dannflor, DrDolittle, and Gamma all register as "potentially scum" to me.
This is the post in which TL voted Gamma. I don't think he had a legitimate reason to scumreads or vote him here. Gamma was the largest competing wagon to TL at the time. Before his vote was placed, it was Gamma with 2 votes and TL with 4 votes.In post 167, TemporalLich wrote:
I looked at his ISO and his reason for his scumread doesn't hold up anymore.In post 162, Dannflor wrote:Why Emperor? You have to justify it more than his RVS vote.
Lovebird is still "potentially town" though.
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TL's first vote was RVS. His third and current vote is an OMGUS against RC. He's not voting based on reads, rather on what is convenient for him.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Then you're right.In post 360, RadiantCowbells wrote:what if rcs are just right
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I believe that you believe that's exactly what happened.In post 363, RadiantCowbells wrote:about what?
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It's just not realistic. They don't play like newbie Scum, they don't play like newbie town. Their actions up to this point can come from either align playing unexpectedly. The entire game pressure is on them and no where else. This means Scum is also pushing them or Scum are sitting back and letting town push it.In post 366, xwing wrote:okay good, there's no SK..so we can drop that..
vedith, what are you town reading TL for, please let the rest of us know..
with or without RC, i still believe TL is the scummiest..
The reasons and voting are scuffed from Lich but I've seen enough games where players are lynched for this kind of shit and turn out town.
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all of this fails to recognize that i have a better idea of what newbie town and scum do or do not play like and have a fairly strong track record in not mislynching weaker or unorthodox players
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Yes. RC is acting like a lone wolf.In post 356, xwing wrote:are you saying you're not getting any associatives with RC?
i've just skimmed the wiki (link above), there is no 3rd party role..so who do you think are RC's buddies now? i think TL's vote on RC is just an OMGUS vote..
I'd say since RC and Emperor seemed to be buddies early game, Emperor might be RC's buddy.In post 46, RadiantCowbells wrote:Emperor if you swear loyalty to me I will spare you this lynchtime will end- RadiantCowbells
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i dont think this is going to be a bad lynch anyway, even if TL is town..we can scrutinize those who were on TL's wagon, as it'sIn post 367, Vedith wrote:
It's just not realistic. They don't play like newbie Scum, they don't play like newbie town. Their actions up to this point can come from either align playing unexpectedly. The entire game pressure is on them and no where else. This means Scum is also pushing them or Scum are sitting back and letting town push it.In post 366, xwing wrote:okay good, there's no SK..so we can drop that..
vedith, what are you town reading TL for, please let the rest of us know..
with or without RC, i still believe TL is the scummiest..
The reasons and voting are scuffed from Lich but I've seen enough games where players are lynched for this kind of shit and turn out town.
If Scum are sitting back then this is the easiest day 1 going for them.quite unlikelyfor him to be lynched with an all-town bloc..(dont discount this though, it happened to me already)..
also, what makes you think he's not playing like newbie town or scum? i think he's playing a bit newbie scum, with the OMGUS vote on RC and the grasping at straws for emp as RC's buddy based on RVS..
RC made another good point..if TL thinks RC is scum, then it's fairly normal to look at his (TL's) wagon and try to see who might be scum in there..
there's also the stiff resistance from both you and yumeko, which usually indicates scum, but for this instance, im not sure what to make of you two yet..
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DDL, what do you think of hop voting gamma while wanting a TL lynch?
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I don't think the lynch will happen without Scum on it. I mean, Dann's on it. And I'm not sure how I feel on others yet.In post 372, xwing wrote:i dont think this is going to be a bad lynch anyway, even if TL is town..we can scrutinize those who were on TL's wagon, as it's quite unlikely for him to be lynched with an all-town bloc..(dont discount this though, it happened to me already)..
also, what makes you think he's not playing like newbie town or scum? i think he's playing a bit newbie scum, with the OMGUS vote on RC and the grasping at straws for emp as RC's buddy based on RVS..
RC made another good point..if TL thinks RC is scum, then it's fairly normal to look at his (TL's) wagon and try to see who might be scum in there..
there's also the stiff resistance from both you and yumeko, which usually indicates scum, but for this instance, im not sure what to make of you two yet..
A lynch isn't bad if it gives information.
Town!Lich here just means tomorrow we are most likely down 2 people and everyone goes well I followed RC.
I fail to see how that gives us information, how would it help with your reads though?
OMGUS is done enough by either align. And it's always a stupid reason for people to push a read. I see it in nearly every game.
Why would there have to be other Scum than RC on Lichs wagon when only 5 people voting?
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