Mini Normal 2062: Erinnerungen (um game over)

[RAS]

Third night I used voyeur on person again cos I thought it’d tell me who killed him but all I got was he was killed

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Flippy would've seen the actions that were performed on URA. He didn't see Vedith (or anyone) visit. Vedith's scum and I F'n misread it yesterday

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EBWOP.

[RAS]

My last post for the night, just to clarify:

If Vedith was Doctor, Flippy would've been told that URAP was protected that night. Flippy very clearly said that the only information he got that night was that URAP was killed.

Here's where Vedith claimed to be on URAP:

So I am odd night doc.
N1 I was on Pers slot my biggest town read.
N3 I was on URA

GG. Sorry about yesterday.

[RAS]

My last post for the night.

I lied. I've got a feeling you guys might overthink this since I'm sure Vedith will come up with even more BS to defend himself.

Before anyone brings this up, Vedith couldn't have been role-blocked that night since L84Dnr saw him visit URAP (Read Post 1512), but Flippy saw no protection on URAP from his Voyeur action (Read Post 1820).

Do not let Vedith talk his way out of this, Flippy's JOAT actions confirm Vedith as scum here. I don't know why he performed the NK, but if I had to guess, it could be for any of these reasons:

A) It's possible that they thought town had an ability to role-block, and it was a lot more likely that FL would be role-blocked in that situation over Vedith.
B) With my short history of playing with FL, he's a player that takes a lot of unnecessary gambits, and this could very well be one of them. They could of very well done this so that Vedith could claim to be "clear" in the off-chance that he gets seen visiting.
C) It could've been a simple mistake, and something they completely overlooked.

I think "A" is the most likely outcome here, and it'll be interesting to see why it happened post-game. But I think any of you would agree that Vedith visiting that night does anything but clear him, yet that's all Vedith has been saying to defend himself. He's a decent enough player to realize that this doesn't clear him and to know that scum very likely sends in no NK yesterday.

I misread the description of Voyeur after Flippy had claimed which is why I voted him yesterday, you can put the blame on me for that one. It's not a role I was familiar with, and that's what caused me to lynch there. However, that lynch ended up confirming Vedith, so I guess it wasn't so bad.

[Vedith]

I was confirmed seen by L8 on the same night.
So I can't be lying here. Nips even said he chose the wrong power.

So RAS is trying to lynch me on a false reason.

[Vedith]

I targeted him in hopes so I could see the last scum

but I used the wrong ability

I guess

So tell me, why shouldn't I lynch you today RAS?

[Vedith]

And explain to me what role I am as scum here that makes sense.

[Chara]

I targeted him in hopes so I could see the last scum

but I used the wrong ability

I guess

So tell me, why shouldn't I lynch you today RAS?

he said he chose the wrong ability, meaning Voyeur.
and that is how Voyeur works. he should have seen a protect action if you protected him on night 3.

[Chara]

I was confirmed seen by L8 on the same night.
So I can't be lying here. Nips even said he chose the wrong power.

So RAS is trying to lynch me on a false reason.

you were seen by L8 visiting the scumkill, so you could be lying here. there's no actual proof your action was a protect action. it's pretty clear by what RAS brought up.

Flippy said he chose the wrong power because he intended to catch the last scum, but he never said he didn't pick Voyeur.

[Chara]

First night I followed shiidaji cos I didn’t like the way they played I saw them do nothing
Second night I tracked person & saw him target fl
Third night I used voyeur on person again cos I thought it’d tell me who killed him but all I got was he was killed

it's pretty clear cut really. i actually can't think of an explanation besides Vedith just being scum, and it looks like Vedith couldn't either.

i'm going to send a hypothetical about what flippy's Voyeur would get on a player who was protected and killed on the same night, but it shouldn't matter. thanks RAS.

[RAS]

I targeted him in hopes so I could see the last scum

but I used the wrong ability

I guess

So tell me, why shouldn't I lynch you today RAS?

Because you've 0 power, and because you're scum.

[Chara]

Vedith could not have been blocked, because L8 saw him visit.
if it was a strongman kill, L8 still would have caught it on the watcher. a ninja kill is the third option, and required for Vedith to be town.
but flippy's same voyeur action disproves this. he should not have seen the ninja kill, he should have seen a protect action. unless you can come up with a normal role that would facilitate this.
going to wait for 100% confirmation from the mod, but i believe this is over.

[RAS]

It's 100% over. You would still see URAP being protected even if there's a strongman. Strongman bypasses the save, but the doctor still visits.

[Chara]

yes, but L8 would have seen the strongman anyway, so we have double confirmation it didn't happen.

[RAS]

I was just responding to what you said, but regardless, there's no outcome where Vedith isn't scum here.

I'm impatient because I'm curious as to what the last scum role is, and why Vedith NK'd that night.

[Chara]

i think he NKed to simply make it look like he had protected me. it would have worked if i had been planning to not actually read the game fully. but i didn't have to because of you pointing out flippy's result first.

[RAS]

I meant why Vedith NK'd URAP. I understand why there was no NK last night.

[Chara]

no-killed and night-killed have the same abbreviation, and that's terrible.

maybe the reason was just to argue that they would never do it.

[RAS]

Agreed. I'm used to NK being no-kill, but people seem to use it for night-kill on this website. It's really confusing.

I think it's either that or they thought town had a role that could role-block. It's a lot more likely that FL would've been role-blocked that night as opposed to Vedith. I would be surprised if it's something they just overlooked.

[Vedith]

Okay. Well I'm town and it's pretty obvious.

[Vedith]

I targeted him in hopes so I could see the last scum

but I used the wrong ability

I guess

So tell me, why shouldn't I lynch you today RAS?

Because you've 0 power, and because you're scum.

So I have no power and scum... riiiiight

[RAS]

I targeted him in hopes so I could see the last scum

but I used the wrong ability

I guess

So tell me, why shouldn't I lynch you today RAS?

Because you've 0 power, and because you're scum.

So I have no power and scum... riiiiight

You ask a question regarding lynching. I say you have no power, stating you don't have the power to lynch me. You take it as me saying you don't have a power to use at night. Come on, man. It's getting a bit ridiculous just how much you keep grasping at straws. I understand you're trying to win, but this is really weak.

[Chara]

VOTE: Vedith
alright, we're good to go.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith
I have a few comments to make about this setup later.

Well done town.

[Chara]

and for what it's worth, i appreciate that Vedith didn't actually give up anywhere. fight to the end, and all that.

don't count the self as giving up, either.
thanks for making this easy, RAS.

[Zulfy]

VOTE COUNT 6 . 2

L84Dnr

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murdered at night

wilky

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murdered by Insomnia, Shiidaji, RAS, Flavor Leaf, u r a person 2, The Last Knight, and Dr Easy Bake

Vedith

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INFORMED MAFIA. LYNCHED by RAS, Chara, and Vedith

Shiidaji

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murdered at night

Chara

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SURVIVED

RAS

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SURVIVED

The Last Knight

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murdered by insomnia, Vedith, Shiidaji, u r a person 2, Dr Easy Bake, and Flavor Leaf

Dr Easy Bake

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SURVIVED

Flavor Leaf

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murdered by RAS, emperor flippyNips, L84DNR, Flavor Leaf

u r a person 2

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murdered at night

Emperor flippyNips

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murdered by RAS, Vedith, Dr Easy Bake

Insomnia

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murdered by L84Dnr, u r a person 2, Flavor Leaf, and Vedith

Creature

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murdered at night

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ON DAY 6, TOWN HAS WON THE GAME