Mini 2082: Hall of Mirrors I (Game Over!)

[Formerfish]

TLDR

Cool bro ::thumbs up::

[Robbnva]

I have trouble reading large posts so if you can maybe bullet post instead of wall post, I’d appreciate it.
More maybe just cut go then chase and summarize?

[Professor Moriarty]

Seeking a replacement for Skygazer.

[Robbnva]

It reads as a contrived base reason and something that you feel you need to stick with and make an example of instead of brushing it off and playing the new style you say you are working on you easily allow yourself to be pushed back to the style you say doesnt exist, and admit you used to use.

While the reasons aren’t contrived, the rest is true and I’ll continue playing the hand I was dealt. He chose to open Pandora’s box, can’t undo it now.

[Robbnva]

In case that’s confusing. I’m not removing my vote off him until he’s dead

[Formerfish]

Why is Rob scum?

You ask this question, and I think that given the context you would have realized that Skellen was saying that if you look at the content provided to that point from Rob and myself would be similar, so why does nk15 focus on me alone and not Rob as well?

A lot of fluffy posts, quite a few about the whole meta situation, more fluffy, deadline incredulity, weak sky vote, allusions.

Weak iso, needs more meat.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Seeking a replacement for Skygazer.

[Robbnva]

That was a werid replacment but whatever. There’s bigger fish to fry (man that would be an awesome pun if I was trying to get Formerfish lynched)

[Formerfish]

Sherlock

Ive been reading your iso over and over again. At some points I see a very town lean to it, and others I feel like things are a bit stale. You mention you are trying out a method of sorts. Maybe thats why im getting conflicting feelings about you. Ill look back at this again later.

You are like the vanilla froyo of mafia players. Maybe its the fact that I know you have been around long enough to have an alt to try a different meta, so I know you know things, but I dont know who you are to see how much weight I should give you.

28 Felt ok to me, since Gamma had already kept it going past my joke.

52 fluff

54 Discredits (rightfully) the 40% rule being applied in this situation. 57 Follow up on why it was used on 1 person over another.

60 Town leans on me, Maria, unwnd and garmr. At least i assume trs?

108 Add Rob, skitter, skellen.

So far this just feels like you are tring anyone who is active.

109 Is the same thing I felt about that push.

127 You have the PoE down to what 5 names? Why do you assume one of your townleans is wrong? Why cant the 3 scum be in the 5 you arent tring right now?

Lots of fluffy posts.

Null.

[Formerfish]

what ad hom attack.

Fair ad hom might not be the correct word, I was trying to say that I felt like you were making an argument about a specific action you were exhibiting being indicative of a larger issue you see in the game right now. You werent attacking him per se, but you were discrediting the point by building a straw man argument.

I look at post 189 and I feel me and you are reading two entirely different games because our understanding of events and reasoning don't match up

Thats fair. My reads are fluid and will probably change a bunch. Ill reread this as a while eventually when I feel like I need to.

[Formerfish]

Specifically, town should not fluff and completely ignore anything else. You didn't only post fluff until there, you also didn't do anything else like commenting on posts and their scuminess(or towniness), or making first townread observations in general without presenting evidence.

Why are you ignoring the fact that i was lva and it was still early in the game. Early enough that there was at least 1 other person who was posting as fluffy gems as I was, yet you focused on me, the guy on lva. Why?

And are you saying you have a scum lean on me as well?

[Formerfish]

luv being frozen is

usually more town indicative

i think? idk i know he likes playing scum so

bc he plays similarly as town? i think he was

more active as scum

in my micro

actually

VOTE: LUV

i don't like the five days post coming from him

i think there's pretty likely one scum in luv/dunn and i think dunn is the townier of the two

How do you go from towncasing LUV to voting him? What did we miss in the middle there?

[Professor Moriarty]

Prodding MariaR & Gamma Emerald.

[Formerfish]

Regarding Garmr I thought his case against unwnd felt like grasping for straws/forced but in a manner like getting things started with a first case, which I might expect coming from town.

So you think Garmr might not believe his position, but is pretending that he believes?

However after reading your post about unwnd I realized that I missed the angle you looked at it though, which I actually like more.

What specifically are you seeing now that you didnt before? This could help me figure out if you have a blindspot.

I can dig the answer to your Sky vote.

[unwnd]

I don't normally make these type of posts but I'll have my own thoughts perhaps in long format coming up soon. You can take this comment however you want but it's been a minute since I've played here, and while some things have changed the more they stay the same. The slow pace and extended deadline (I adjusted to like 48/24) is actually much more of my tempo so having the ability to pace myself is a huge boon.

[Formerfish]

Skellen- town lean
Skygazer- null
MariaR- null
unwnd- townish
Dunnstral- null
Gamma Emerald- town lean
Not Known 15- scum lean
Garmr- kinda scummy
Robbnva- scummy
skitter30- null scum
Lil Uzi Vert- null
Sherlock Holmes- null

I would lynch in nk15, Garmr, Rob or skitter.

I like nk15 for scum.

VOTE: nk15

[Professor Moriarty]

Pine replaces Skygazer!

[Robbnva]

Oh fuck

[Pine]

Hello all! The thread is short enough to dispense with my usual "I don't read when replacing" strategy. I'm on task with nothing better to do tonight, so I should catch up quickly.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Pine! Long time no see bud

[Garmr]

what ad hom attack.

Fair ad hom might not be the correct word, I was trying to say that I felt like you were making an argument about a specific action you were exhibiting being indicative of a larger issue you see in the game right now. You werent attacking him per se, but you were discrediting the point by building a straw man argument.

I look at post 189 and I feel me and you are reading two entirely different games because our understanding of events and reasoning don't match up

Thats fair. My reads are fluid and will probably change a bunch. Ill reread this as a while eventually when I feel like I need to.

I have to disagree you are wrong yet again.
Strawman
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

Normal people scenario

PAUL - Hey man what's up how's the weather
JOE - Not that bad you know a little cloudy how are you man?
PAUL - I'm great thanks for asking

Mafiascum scenario

JOE - Hey man what's up how's the weather
MAFIASCUM PLAYER - Did you just ask me what the weather was? It seems that you are trying to paint me in a bad way as you are assuming I don't already know. The fact you came up to me asking how the weather is, unprovoked, is quite scummy. I'm going to have to vote you

The post I was replying to. It wasn't even a point just the fact he was complaining about mafia scum players being eccentric.

1. The answer killed the back and forth we were having with out addressing the issues I had and felt like a cop out. Now I want you to answer me how is it a strawman.

2.It was going no where and unwnd agreed with me.

I assure you that wasn't the angle and it was just me taking the piss out of a confusing situation.

You're right this goes nowhere, and honestly your capability to understand that makes me feel like you're probably fine

So this isn't a strawman as well.

To me it looks like you are throwing out buzzwords like ad hom, strawman ect but when pushed on it they fall apart easier than a tower made of jelly.

[skitter30]

formerfish, do u like town or scum better?
which do u think ur better at?

[Formerfish]

Oh god I forgot everyone on mafiascum is tone deaf

I missed this post, which makes more sense with your reply now. I thought you were going after unwnd for the comment he made about your posts specifically by making it a more general argument. That's what I saw as the strawman, cause I felt like you were shifting what unwnd was saying to make it sound worse. The post above shows that unwnd was the one to make it a global thing.

I retract.

[Formerfish]

formerfish, do u like town or scum better?
which do u think ur better at?

I like to play town, it's less stressful. I think I can be both good and bad at either, it depends on a lot of things. Generally if I'm town people figure it out quickly enough, or they don't.

[skitter30]

ok

kinda trying to gague what kind of player u are (and i'm kinda catching up, sorry); not sure if i've ever played with u before