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Post Post #1925 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:05 am

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Persivul I really do not understand how you wanted to lynch me because Tanner got killed n4 and then you wanted to lynch Una in lylo. Why did you think he's bring you to lylo.
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Post Post #1926 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:58 am

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Post Post #1927 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:01 am

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why did persi vote first in lylo lmfao
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Post Post #1928 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:04 am

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In post 1925, Knightmare491 wrote:Persivul I really do not understand how you wanted to lynch me because Tanner got killed n4 and then you wanted to lynch Una in lylo. Why did you think he's bring you to lylo.
I think it's in the thread, but to recap:
- I individually town read george
- I individually scum read una
- Thinking 3 scum as everyone was, the possibilities were therefore you/una or puppy/una
- Reading puppy's ISO, puppy/una was impossible

IIRC you argued that puppy was just distancing from una. You can now see that wasn't the case.
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Post Post #1929 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:06 am

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In post 1927, popopopopopopo wrote:why did persi vote first in lylo lmfao
Why did you fake a guilty on me lmfao
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Post Post #1930 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:14 am

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Post Post #1931 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:54 am

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In post 1924, Persivul wrote:
In post 1923, Not Known 15 wrote:A trap
So, yeah, we were playing against both scum and the mod. I'm not a fan of that.
I know but things like those that were here need to be in games, sometimes.
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Post Post #1932 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 8:39 am

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In post 1931, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1924, Persivul wrote:
In post 1923, Not Known 15 wrote:A trap
So, yeah, we were playing against both scum and the mod. I'm not a fan of that.
I know but things like those that were here need to be in games, sometimes.
No, they don't. Ever.
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Post Post #1933 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 8:58 am

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In post 1932, PranaDevil wrote:
In post 1931, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1924, Persivul wrote:
In post 1923, Not Known 15 wrote:A trap
So, yeah, we were playing against both scum and the mod. I'm not a fan of that.
I know but things like those that were here need to be in games, sometimes.
No, they don't. Ever.
Yes, they do. To ensure that people don`t say "X is automatically scum because this role doesnt belong to town" when it is a town-allowed role, or similar things.
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Post Post #1934 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 9:07 am

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Well, except the Miller/Miller/IC combination, that one was not one of my brightest ideas.
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Post Post #1935 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 10:13 am

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It wasn't town aligned... it was mod aligned... it was designed SOLELY to be bullshit.

A game should be well designed so that the only thing to consider is what goes on within the game. Having to second guess the mod, at ANY stage, means the game is complete bullshit from the set-up.

That role was not needed, it did not benefit the game in the slightest, it didn't even come into the game (had it just been a VT, nothing would had changed in the game), it did not benefit this game at all.

The two millers were stupid just by themselves. Having 2 scum meant town were on a wild goose chase for a portion of the game, and the first couple of days were wasted as far as how things went.

It was a mess, town was a mess, scum survived due to being flakier than a certain cadbury's chocolate (Puppy was the shining beacon from that side, and deserved the win).

As a whole, this game was a shower of shite, from the set up to the player base (yes, this includes myself).
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Post Post #1936 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 1:17 pm

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In post 1931, Not Known 15 wrote:I know but things like those that were here need to be in games, sometimes.
No they don't.
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Post Post #1937 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 4:32 pm

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In post 1923, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1918, Persivul wrote:There wasn't a traitor. The setup was a town mindfuck.

Why the ascetic whatever it was?
A trap, for the person having it because claiming Ascetic is ok but claiming Encryptor is a death wish(and you don`t need to claim Encryptor if you are an Ascetic)
I think this is where the set up fails.

It’s effectively a normal game you made into a puzzle, and for a puzzle to be understood, you need to have a source of information.

Frankly, I’m not upset but genuinely see where Pers is coming from.

The set up never favoured a town win. For instance, two millers forced the cop to investigate one and rendered the rest of the game a mind fuck. Having two millers in the first place makes it a borderline bastard.

Not having a go at you, but just calling out the issues.

The game set up is one of those ‘sounds great when discussed by mods’ but never had any reality check of ‘how will this be to play?’

Just my thoughts.
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Post Post #1938 (ISO) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:24 pm

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I'm okay with the setup because it is something I would do as a mod too. RP didn't get lynched because of their claim. They were going to get lynched anyway.
It's a mindfuck but not imbalanced.
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Post Post #1939 (ISO) » Sun May 31, 2020 12:12 am

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In post 1938, Knightmare491 wrote:RP didn't get lynched because of their claim
I'm just done with normals they can get too mindfucked
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Post Post #1940 (ISO) » Sun May 31, 2020 1:06 am

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In post 1939, Red Panda wrote:I'm just done with normals they can get too mindfucked
^This. I've only been joining them lately because they fill faster, but after this one, it's just not worth my time.
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Post Post #1941 (ISO) » Sun May 31, 2020 1:33 am

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Do you think that this game was not normal enough, then?
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Post Post #1942 (ISO) » Sun May 31, 2020 2:44 am

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In post 1941, Not Known 15 wrote:Do you think that this game was not normal enough, then?
Most of the player base have called it a bad set-up, and pointed out part of the game was working out what the hell the mod was doing with it, rather than working out who the scum are...

At best it was a bastard game.
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Post Post #1943 (ISO) » Sun May 31, 2020 2:51 am

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In post 1941, Not Known 15 wrote:Do you think that this game was not normal enough, then?
Yes. I started a thread in MD proposing that named townies not be allowed in normals.

Normal is defined for this site, and you were within those definitions, but consider normal usage of "normal." If you were describing mafia roles to someone new to the game, wouldn't you say that town encryptor normally implies the existence of a neighborizer? Or miller normally implies the existence of a cop? I would.
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Post Post #1944 (ISO) » Sun May 31, 2020 2:56 am

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In post 1941, Not Known 15 wrote:Do you think that this game was not normal enough, then?
Or look at it this way - this game has led more than one person to say they're done with the normal queue. That should tell you something.

Also consider that mini theme currently and frequently says "needs mods." If you want to fuck with the town, you could always take the game there.
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Post Post #1945 (ISO) » Sun May 31, 2020 2:58 am

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In post 1944, Persivul wrote:That should tell you something.
Yeah that it was normal by name, but not by effect.
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Post Post #1946 (ISO) » Sun May 31, 2020 2:58 am

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(or in other words a bit too much weirdness)
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Post Post #1947 (ISO) » Sun May 31, 2020 3:08 am

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I hope, to absolute fuck, that your next actual mini normal is normal.

10 town, 3 scum, all vanilla.
Or pick one of the newbie formats to use.
Or just use watcher and tracker instead of a cop, and a jailkeeper instead of a doc or something.

But games like this one? Please don't ever run a game like this ever again. Normal should be relatively predictable and... normal. Not totally bastard and unpredictable.
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Post Post #1948 (ISO) » Sun May 31, 2020 3:11 am

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In post 1947, PranaDevil wrote:10 town, 3 scum, all vanilla.
to be fair, this isn't actually Normal :lol:
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Post Post #1949 (ISO) » Sun May 31, 2020 3:23 am

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In post 1945, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1944, Persivul wrote:That should tell you something.
Yeah that it was normal by name, but not by effect.
In post 1946, Not Known 15 wrote:(or in other words a bit too much weirdness)
Yes, that's pretty much it. If you want to try to trap town etc., just take it to theme.
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