Mini Normal 2139: No Flavor Allowed - Game Over

[Auro]

I thought it meant that you all would understand if I couldn't comment on people's Meta (If I'm using this correctly)

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See? The crumb.

How could you guys not buy this though

[brassherald]

I bought it. You were town cop

[Firebringer]

I thought it meant that you all would understand if I couldn't comment on people's Meta (If I'm using this correctly)

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couldn't

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eople's Meta (If I'm using this correctly)

See? The crumb.

How could you guys not buy this though

I totally bought it. Did u not read my post about congrats on becoming a cop?

[farside22]

Cop claim was so bad day 2. I am surprised ame was town after that. Fake claims by town are bad for the game.
I was surprised the hood had 3 scum. When i saw clidd results i thought umlaut played up knowing scum in the neighborhood pt would have more then one scum.
So hotoc fooled me. Surprised i died n2

[Auro]

Did u not read my post about congrats on becoming a cop?

Insinuating that I wasn't Cop before. I was always Cop.

[Firebringer]

Did u not read my post about congrats on becoming a cop?

Insinuating that I wasn't Cop before. I was always Cop.

excuse u sir, u aren't a cop if u never report in for the job. U were more like a part time cop who never gets called in.

[Ircher]

I was essentially breaking a long-established meta rule in this setup.

The main problem was that you had a public review of such a setup where you broke the same meta rule, which means our weapon of "oh, but meta!" WIFOM holds no weight when someone sees that (as Umlaut did).

What's the incentive for Quick

not

to out that information immediately though?

• Informed FV immediately says there is 1+ scum in hood
  
• Town decides to lynch neighbors 1 and 2, leaving 3 and 4 for invests
  
• Invests individually target 3 and 4

This plan works regardless of 1/2/3 scum in hood, and I would always suggest town to follow this plan given information is outed immediately.
And there's no reason for Informed FV to keep the info for long.

I think with regards to the meta---yes, that's true, but how many people actually bother looking up moderator meta? Not many in my experience. Furthermore, towns (and players in general) tend to be pretty bad at setup-speccing, so it isn't unreasonable for most people to nonchalantly assume all scum in a neighborhood isn't possible. Indeed, even after Umlaut pointed out my past review, most of the players ignored it in favor of it simply not being possible. Now, don't get me wrong, it isn't exactly proper to balance base completely off the meta game, but it is an important factor to consider.

As for Quick claiming, I think you make a good point there. It's not really something I considered as most PRs are disincentivized from claiming early (especially in a normal setup), and I wrongly generalized that to all PRs.

I think if I ran this setup again (which certainly wouldn't be anytime soon), I'd adjust it to something like this:

Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Traffic Analyst
Town Combined Tracker Follower
Town Informed Fruit Vendor
7x Vanilla Townie

versus:

Mafia 1-Shot Rolecop Neighbor
2x Mafia Neighbor

[Umlaut]

The main problem was that you had a public review of such a setup where you broke the same meta rule, which means our weapon of "oh, but meta!" WIFOM holds no weight when someone sees that (as Umlaut did).

I honestly believe Ircher just never anticipated that anyone would go looking through past setup reviews to meta-read the mod like that (he can correct me if I'm wrong here). I've never been in a game where anyone did that before.

[Firebringer]

my meta read of ircher preferring to make town weak was not wrong

[Auro]

@Umlaut: Yup, and I am surprised people didn't buy it even after you linked that review thread. If I were town I wouldn't even bother solving, I'd just consider that solid evidence and vote within the hood till I hit scum.
But my main point was that independent of that, town strategy in the *unknown* case also screws us over

@Ircher: I'd remove the Informed, probably? Because even with a rolecop, the info being outed is the correct play, and my earlier reasoning for individual PR targets within the hood always makes them very vulnerable.

[Umlaut]

@Umlaut: Yup, and I am surprised people didn't buy it even after you linked that review thread. If I were town I wouldn't even bother solving, I'd just consider that solid evidence and vote within the hood till I hit scum.

I believe that you think you would, and maybe it's even true that you would, but you are a bit biased by the fact that you already knew my conclusion was correct when reading the case.

[Auro]

Of course I carry some bias due to the difference in perspective, but I still think it's a solid argument. Klick in the dead thread agreed with it.

[Hoctac]

gg

Why didn't we kill cliddddddddddddddddddd

Fun game though

[Hoctac]

Auro's perseverance with 1% chance of survival is amazing.

[Auro]

[Klick]

Furthermore, towns (and players in general) tend to be pretty bad at setup-speccing, so it isn't unreasonable for most people to nonchalantly assume all scum in a neighborhood isn't possible.

IMO this is not a good thing

[Ircher]

The mafia and neighborhood PTs are released. The review thread was also released.

[Umlaut]

Wow you weren't kidding about not a lot of comments. I've never seen a review thread before where the reviewer just says "PASS" like that without any tweaks at all.