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Post Post #4425  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:18 pm

Vote count 4.01
with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2020-10-08 23:50:00).

executionshellyc [2]: PlusJOYED, osuka
osuka [1]: Andresvmb

Not Voting [4]: Menalque, NDMath, shellyc, Ydrasse


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Post Post #4426  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:14 pm

Arguments for why it doesn't make sense for me to be scum with each of osuka and plus coming when I decide to not be lazy.

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Post Post #4427  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:03 pm

ill elaborate more on what my reads are and why they are the way they are tomorrow

but i just wanted to share with everyone that i just tried zest's 3 stargate mass void ray into chargelot storm build and i'm absolutely in love

unfortunately i fucked up the transition to carriers and died because i took a bad engagement and didnt have enough storms :(
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Post Post #4428  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:26 pm

In post 4401, PlusJOYED wrote:shelly is pretty good at scum and from what I know of their towngame they like to tunnel more. Also in this game they've been wagon hopping like crazy

wagon hopping is NAI for me

tunnelling is kinda scum indicative, remember when I death tunnelled you in doggos as scum!shelly
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Post Post #4429  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:28 pm

In post 4410, PlusJOYED wrote:probably within ndmath or ydrasse

do you think that Huge Interaction with ydrassse was scum theatre? like I don’t really think you can classify two people’s attempts to solve each other from a convo is scum theatre really

as to math, why would I bring pressure onto them at EOD3 if they were my partner tho (I can quote later but on mobile rn)
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Post Post #4430  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:13 am

In post 4429, shellyc wrote:
In post 4410, PlusJOYED wrote:probably within ndmath or ydrasse

do you think that Huge Interaction with ydrassse was scum theatre? like I don’t really think you can classify two people’s attempts to solve each other from a convo is scum theatre really

as to math, why would I bring pressure onto them at EOD3 if they were my partner tho (I can quote later but on mobile rn)

i could believe it yes

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Post Post #4431  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:13 am

plus whats your read on osuka
why do you refuse to scumread them
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Post Post #4432  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:18 am

for math, putting pressure on your partner so you aren't null on each other and it coupd make sense for town!shelly to do so you could use that as a defense. You didn't really need to worry end of day 3 since freaking bob is running around with a "hang me im scum" sign on his back; it probably wouldn't pick up so pressuring ndmath is safe

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Post Post #4433  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:19 am

my osuka read is that that's just his playstyle and he's kinda wack at times

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Post Post #4434  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:19 am

im headed to bed gn

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Post Post #4435  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:20 am

In post 4433, PlusJOYED wrote:my osuka read is that that's just his playstyle and he's kinda wack at times

this is so weird because fwiw I don't think being "wack" is a protown act
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Post Post #4436  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:08 am

In post 4435, shellyc wrote:
In post 4433, PlusJOYED wrote:my osuka read is that that's just his playstyle and he's kinda wack at times

this is so weird because fwiw I don't think being "wack" is a protown act

elaborate
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Post Post #4437  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:14 am

another thing to note is that me and osuka have been on the same page unabashedly most of the time, so much so that I don't think a plus/osuka team makes sense. I might be deep pocketed by Osuka but I think that's unlikely; it doesn't make sense for Osuka to play so risky as scum imo.

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Post Post #4438  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:38 pm

hello

@plus, how do you think that interact between me and shelly is theatre. also, in that instance what is the Gameplan/wincon of shelly/ydrasse/kerset
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Post Post #4439  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:38 pm

i’m at work atm with a shot mood so don’t expect much from me until later other than that
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Post Post #4440  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:57 pm

In post 4437, PlusJOYED wrote:another thing to note is that me and osuka have been on the same page unabashedly most of the time, so much so that I don't think a plus/osuka team makes sense. I might be deep pocketed by Osuka but I think that's unlikely; it doesn't make sense for Osuka to play so risky as scum imo.

there’s the words too scummy to be scum

fwiw I think joyed is pocketed town really and the solve is osuka math?
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Post Post #4441  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:10 pm

In post 4440, shellyc wrote:
In post 4437, PlusJOYED wrote:another thing to note is that me and osuka have been on the same page unabashedly most of the time, so much so that I don't think a plus/osuka team makes sense. I might be deep pocketed by Osuka but I think that's unlikely; it doesn't make sense for Osuka to play so risky as scum imo.

there’s the words too scummy to be scum

fwiw I think joyed is pocketed town really and the solve is osuka math?

What leads you to this conclusion? As in what specific posts make you think that plus is pocketed and not just Scum? And why NDMath?

I’ll be honest, I think we need to first get a flip of Osuka before we speculate any further. Once that is achieved, and if Osuka flips Scum, I will start worrying about who is more or less Scummy. But until that happens, I think we’ll be mostly wasting our time. I’ll say this - I don’t buy anything that plus is saying right now. None of it. Are they seriously claiming they can’t be partnered with Osuka because it would be too blatant? Please.

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Post Post #4442  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:01 pm

Starting with plusjoyed since that's simpler.
In a plus/ND/kerset world,
We know there is a scum rolestopper and because of my claim either
A. I am ascetic
B. Plusjoy is gonna rolestop me each night.
Either way the plan would be for me to submit the kill each night. (Since I can't be track'd jailkept etc.)
Making it preferable for me to not die early.

Posts quoted are plusjoy's reads on me with a couple reads of kerset.
Spoiler: Early Day 1
In post 230, PlusJOYED wrote:Who loves readlists? I do!

kerset: Shitposter, which is NAI. My gut says they are town though but not a lot to go on; I feel like scum would be more self aware and worried about being SR'd from shitposting, and the mason thing might be a unique way of rvs 3 other players to see reactions. TR.

Ydrasse: Mild scumtell mainly from gut but it's getting weaker as time passes, would vote over other TR but mostly null at this point. Their posts seem NAI though #49 was pretty townie. Null atm.

Andres: null, only posted once

Saudade: feels kinda scummy, especially his entrance and making an excuse to lurk like IV said, but it could just be his personality. His kerset attack seems really random and feels mildly scummy overall. SR.

Shellyc: Feels like her scumgame but it could also be recentcy bias so idk. I'd like to look a townie game from here actually, since they have q knack for appearing townie as scum naturally. Leaning null for now.

bob: Town read actually. His opener is pretty wack and that logic seems strange but I think he believes it. going against the grain and taking a risk/getting discussion going is townie as heck. TR

teacher: kinda ignored their early wagon which is a lil weird. I'm glad he's calling out IV but honestly NAI at this point. The
vote at #90 seems so late and doesn't make sense. null for now

Menal: Why are they handing out TR/pockets so much? Seem self aware too. But I don't think a scum menal would throw pockets that much and be open about it, so I TR them.

IV: total scumbucket. I'll do a full casing later. I'm aware this tunnel without explanation is sus from me but idc. I want him to lower his guard first and hit him with a big list later on. SR

Taylor swift; agreeable lurker. Minor SR but need more to go off of. They've seem to have gone largely unnoticed so I'd like someone to pressure them at some point. SR overall

NDMath: null, only posted once

osuka: also going against IV without much explanation, most of his posts are about IV and I don't think he's trying to pocket me either since we expressed a SR on IV around the same time. Null for now

current SR is IV > Taylor > saudade

In post 361, PlusJOYED wrote:I don't see how you see NDMath as scummy but not Kerst, they both made joke claims

In post 373, PlusJOYED wrote:Why do you think Kersts claim was a joke and NDmath's claim was serious
I think they're both rvs joke claims

In post 377, PlusJOYED wrote:Yes those are one and the same

In post 390, PlusJOYED wrote:Well I've never played a game with an aesthic claim in it but the wiki says they like to claim off the bat like millers. I still don't take the claim seriously but I will if NDMath doubles down on said claim.

Forgot about this. Lol comparing their supposed scumbuddies claims.
Doesn't commit a read on me which doesn't mean much because of how little I posted.


Spoiler: Mid to Late Day 1
In post 676, PlusJOYED wrote:hmm... aesthic and miller in a 13 man seems really unlikely.

In post 679, PlusJOYED wrote:the miller claim and the aesthic claim change things. I think one of them is fake/evil most likely

In post 682, PlusJOYED wrote:Why would there be 2 passive town roles that impact invest results in a mini normal? I don't see why they'd do that from a meta perspective.

In post 683, PlusJOYED wrote:I agree that andre is town too

In post 709, PlusJOYED wrote:Me:
bob (townie god) > shelly > ydrasse > andres > mena > suadade > kerset > teacher > osuka > IV (leaning more townie) >  NDMath > taylor (scum extraordinaire)

In post 1308, PlusJOYED wrote:bob townie god
iv town
shelly town
Ydrasse town
Andres town
pretty confident on the above TR
mena town (slightly less sure than others)
kerset null townlean
saude null scumlean
osuka null scumlean
ndmath scummy
taylor scummy
teacher scummy after seeing their iso

In post 1981, PlusJOYED wrote:you've been doing this since lime the first day my guy
ndmath is also probs town
scumteam is teacher/iv/that other fuck

In post 1988, PlusJOYED wrote:im thinking math actually he's my scummiest read

In post 1990, PlusJOYED wrote:boom guys i got it it's iv/teacher/ndmath
ndmath is probs maf ascetic

In post 1998, PlusJOYED wrote:man everything actually falls really into place with iv/teacher/math
i'll make an in depth casing later

In post 2071, PlusJOYED wrote:im telling ya
the solve is iv/teacher/math
saude is next in line if one of those 3 flip town

In post 2319, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 2209, osuka wrote:kerset flips green

facts im disappointed in shelly

In post 2325, PlusJOYED wrote:rn i think it's
scum pile: iv, ndmath, teacher
maybe scum: saudade
tr everyone else pretty solidly at this point

In post 2459, PlusJOYED wrote:
rn i think it's
scum pile: iv, ndmath, teacher
maybe scum: saudade
tr everyone else pretty solidly at this point

same as last time but im null on bob now given his more recent stuff.

Puts me into scumpile while townleaning the goon.
Granted I was not really ever in consideration for elim day one.
Biased opinion is that these posts indicate they would have hopped on a wagon on me if there had been support from 1-2 other people, which is counter to the pregame goal/plan that would have been set. In mini theme 2145 which I linked earlier I depended heavily on my teammate Dunn to help me survive, I think this gamestate is similar.


Spoiler: Day 2
In post 3205, PlusJOYED wrote:solve is iv /shelly /ndmath atm

In post 3455, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 3386, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.final
with 13 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 1 ended.

executioninnocentvillager [7]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager, teacher, NDMath, Ydrasse [HAMMER]
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141
PlusJOYED [2]: Andresvmb, Menalque
Kerset [2]: Saudade, shellyc

Not Voting [0]:


flipinnocentvillager has been executed Day 1. He was a Vanilla Townie.

The sun sets, it is now Night 1. Sunrise in (expired on 2020-09-20 12:00:00).


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I still can't believe IV flipped town, what the hell IV?
Anyway, him being town and sau flip does impact my reads quite a bit.
Kerset claimed gated so i could see them being town still. That or mafia has a roleblocker. Still my TR on them has weakened with flips.
Mena is definitely town imo, scum wouldn't go that hard to save a townie. Super strong obvtown
If osuka is still after mena I think he's probably scumbinned at this point, town wouldn't do that
Shelly is still town
Ndmath is still super scummy
Bob scumlean I think
Teacher i needs to read iso
Andres obvtown
ydrasse seems towny overall, I think the hammer may have been exhaustion

In post 3458, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 3456, Andresvmb wrote:NDMath is Town. Let’s stop wasting time.

how
they've done nothing towny this game

In post 3493, PlusJOYED wrote:i never doubted ndmath was ascetic, I think they are mafia ascetic

In post 3494, PlusJOYED wrote:VOTE: ndmath

In post 3504, PlusJOYED wrote:But kerset isn't getting my vote today

In post 3527, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 3512, Kerset wrote:cool saudade is dead and now i get instant L-2
You don't know how to make insightful NKA. We are talking here about saud, he is careless gamethrower. His existence was harmful to town and viging him would be worth it regardless of his alignment, so healing him was out of question. This guy misleads town to lynch his target regardless of circumstances to satisfy his ego. Hardclaimming bullshits is just one of throws typical for his behavior, he thinks that saying nonsense as town is 200IQ play, because thanks to his reputation he can get away with anything, once he rolls scum.
The most important information we got is scum lack of knowledge. Scum didn't know about his nature and took him seriously, which points at people with 2020 join date. Especially shelly, which periodically appears as more naive then she normally should be.

???
Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset
UNVOTE:
VOTE: kerset

In post 3560, PlusJOYED wrote:I'm actually at a loss for who the other scum could be if teacher and ndmath are town, besides kerset. I guess osuka? Maybe Ydrasse?
peddit: no but they could surely deduce that town has at least one investigative pr so they use a sketchy player to claim ascetic and waste town pr actions.

Does try to push me, immediately overshadowed by kerset's post.
Day 2 was short.

Spoiler: Day 3
In post 3774, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 3765, Menalque wrote:
In post 3757, PlusJOYED wrote:im at

hard town: andres, mena

probably town:taylor, shelly, bob

scummy: ydrasse, ndmath

hard scum read: osuka


can you talk me through your scum reads here? also through your read on bob?

yeah
osuka is scum not for his iv read, but because he continued to SR mena after IV flipped. Also the vote back off of kerset was sus as well
Ydrasse I liked day 1 but the hammer was sus af and I feel like they are the deepwolf here. They claimed to be bad at mafia scum roles but i've fallen for that before. And since near end of day 1 I haven't liked their posts

ndmath was always in my scum pile. I still think he's possibly mafia ascetic and inactive. but i'd prefer osuka and ydrasse elims first


*Not quoted but I go just outside of possible scum teams for a while.*

In post 4205, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 4198, shellyc wrote:joyed instead of seeing scum!anybody can you give me a lynch order so we have have some Fun Discussion and I can release my theory on the alignments of plus and ydrasse

here's mine: (least to most)
Shelly
Andres
Menalque
Ydrasse
Math
Bob
Joyed
Osuka

mine is probably
andres
mena
joyed
Shelly
ydrasse
osuka
math
bob

In post 4262, PlusJOYED wrote:I'll elim bob, shelly, or possibly math today


This day makes it look more possible since that's probably roughly what would happen in a plus/me/kerset world.
However not in that world, I'm an achievable miselim and still will be later, whereas bob or ydrasse probably get harder as the game goes with possibly another investigative or ydrasse becoming too much consensus town.


Am now realizing it's probably more effective to point out the plus/osuka/kerset interaction rather than try to argue that I can't be scum with each of them but I already gathered quotes for this.

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Post Post #4443  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:02 pm

One thing I thought of that makes me think ndmath is just inactive town is that the wagons have been moving around like crazy; for this to happen so much day 1 and 3 especially, I think there is some subtle string pulling going on here that NDMath hasn't been apart of.

I think my solve is Shelly/ydrasse

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Post Post #4444  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:20 pm

In post 4441, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 4440, shellyc wrote:
In post 4437, PlusJOYED wrote:another thing to note is that me and osuka have been on the same page unabashedly most of the time, so much so that I don't think a plus/osuka team makes sense. I might be deep pocketed by Osuka but I think that's unlikely; it doesn't make sense for Osuka to play so risky as scum imo.

there’s the words too scummy to be scum

fwiw I think joyed is pocketed town really and the solve is osuka math?

What leads you to this conclusion? As in what specific posts make you think that plus is pocketed and not just Scum? And why NDMath?

I’ll be honest, I think we need to first get a flip of Osuka before we speculate any further. Once that is achieved, and if Osuka flips Scum, I will start worrying about who is more or less Scummy. But until that happens, I think we’ll be mostly wasting our time. I’ll say this - I don’t buy anything that plus is saying right now. None of it. Are they seriously claiming they can’t be partnered with Osuka because it would be too blatant? Please.

like I kinda think plus being uber wrong on everything is town indicative and trying to boldly push the (wrong) world of me + ydrasse is kinda townie?
their defense is bleh but joyed is LHF as town anyways
I don’t wanna 5D chess myself so much and will review joyed ISO again

im considering plus/osuka, math is kinda just lurking + passive and I don’t really see attempts to solve in their ISO
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Post Post #4445  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:22 pm

In post 4443, PlusJOYED wrote:I think there is some subtle string pulling going on here that NDMath hasn't been apart of.

I think my solve is Shelly/ydrasse

can you explain WHY you think it’s scum theatre?
do you think I TR ydrasse (supposed partner) and put them as my top town at start of game and not once doubt them

its kinda hard to justify this and it’s horrifically bad I think the paranoia comes from town
I want to get rid of osuka no matter what, and then consider the enigma that is plusjoy
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Post Post #4446  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:17 am

In post 4436, osuka wrote:elaborate

because “wackiness” is just a matter of personality and isn’t alignment indicative at all which is illogical for plus to TR you based off being “wack”

basically the play style part is just super wifomy
sometimes scum are just scum
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Post Post #4447  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:18 am

I feel like menal has lowkey disappointed after getting UTR
Andres is trying to solve while menal is just swimming about

idk hot take I even feel ydrasse is townie than menal
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Post Post #4448  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:20 am

In post 4413, osuka wrote:shelly + andres

osuka it’s so good you’re trying but neither me or Andres are happening
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Post Post #4449  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:21 am

osuka is just nonsensically trying to last-ditch avoid a miselim
what is possible town motivation to spit out nonsense reads
Andres is a claimed checker
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