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Completely logical trajectories to me. Consistent solving approach. Just not seeing purposeful avoidment of any topics or people. I just grok where his posts are coming from almost any time he posts, and I cant make up a scum narrative for it. I kinda like the miller claim, especially after an ascetic, but thats pretty minor at this point -- I liked it more that he didnt push the ascetic after the claim which reduces scum motivation for it.- teacher
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Oh FFS!!! Why cant I get someone to tell me why it is impossible to get a bob wagon going. I know Im a shitty ass drivre, but this is getting rediculous. You have an existing wagon that you TR the biggest pusher and could DEFINITELY get across the deadline in 18 hours, and instead we are just fucking about on a new wagon because?- teacher
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False, again. The quoted vote was appr 16 hours to deadline. Are you now just trying to get Mena to defend you with the why tell such easily verifiable lies?In post 3389, bob3141 wrote:The only reason that any one could give is damage limitation to avoid a flash lynch hitting a town pr. And at the point you swapped your read there was still a few days to deadline- teacher
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This is where you straight up lie about the past games. I have never, ever played with rolestopper. So why should I know what it does?In post 2981, bob3141 wrote:Last scum game his team had a rolestopper. So doubt he wouldnt know the difference
I have absolutely played with roleblocker, and know what it does. Stopper and blocker have similar meanings outside mafia, yea? So why shouldn’t they be two words that mean the same thing?- teacher
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Really man, just admit error.In post 3397, bob3141 wrote:
Now stop being childish. You know when some is scum, its when all they can come back with is "oh no your lying"In post 3393, teacher wrote:
False, again. The quoted vote was appr 16 hours to deadline. Are you now just trying to get Mena to defend you with the why tell such easily verifiable lies?In post 3389, bob3141 wrote:The only reason that any one could give is damage limitation to avoid a flash lynch hitting a town pr. And at the point you swapped your read there was still a few days to deadline
few definitions.
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a small number of.
"may I ask a few questions?"
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used to emphasize how small a number of people or things is.
"he had few friends"
It doesnt matter if day one ends mid day. Its still 1-2 days
He choose to vote IV, He choose not to push for any alternative lynch. He didnt say oh at worst IV is VT. He said oh now i think he is scum. He didnt say im voting to avoid no lynch. Which we were still a fair bit from
English usage:
"a few" -- more than two, less than several.
"few" (without a) -- emphasizing smallness.
You said "a few". It was, in fact, less than one. And that is not a "fair bit" away, especially when people are randomly starting wagons on slots that havent been the focus all day. I was certainly deadline paranoid, and I voted before him.- teacher
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Again, 16 hours =/2 days. Im going to assume your kind of new to MS, and come from a universe with 48hr days. Here, people actually go whole days without logging on.In post 3398, bob3141 wrote:And who would think scum would still be self voting 1-2 days away from deadline. When they could simply vote osuka and claim that although he though osuka had good chance of flipping town. He knows for sure he is town.
Only a yogurt
And it wasnt at the time that the lynch was 100% decided. So again still pleanty of time on the clock- teacher
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No, I knew the deadline time by heart because I was paranoid we wouldnt hit it. I clicked to follow YOUR QUOTE and looked at the timestamp.
But let me get this straight, youre now trying to shade me for:- NOT taking the time to look up rolestopper, when I thought I knew the meaning.
- TAKING the time to look up the facts on your post.
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Its a lie. Last time he lied (about me having experience with rolestopper), you defended him and avoided voting on the slot your biggest townread was driving by saying why would he tell such easily verifiable lies. I wanted to inject your name into the conversation to see if he would respond to that or ignore it.- teacher
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Had you just said, "oops, yea, I was wrong, it was less than a day" this conversation would have ended a lot faster. I am not defending NDMath -- I havent even said his name. I just said one of your points was factually wrong (i.e., a lie). Apparently calling factually wrong things lies is childish. :shrug: Im going to keep doing it :shrug:In post 3413, bob3141 wrote:The thing is this is all on the back of me pointing out that dmath kept flip flopping. Teacher you seem to be trying real hard to defend him- teacher
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Im not generally TR'ed, I dont think. I was like the 4th most popular compromise slot in Plusjoyed lists yesterday 1 day before deadline. And, note that by shading NDMath's vote as being "a few days" before deadline, he is also implicitly shading my even earlier vote.In post 3426, Menalque wrote:
Yeah but like why was the hostility faked as opposed to genuine fypov? I think it’s quite plausible that bob believes thisIn post 3422, shellyc wrote:
bob was directly hostile towards teacher at daystart, and i feel like they're trying to set teacher up for a mislim since I TR TeacherIn post 3419, Menalque wrote:
Why thoIn post 3411, shellyc wrote:like tbh I think the hostility of bob towards teacher just incriminates them even more
And why does bob read as faked hostility but teacher reads as genuine
I think they both read quite genuine tonally
And again, bob is not incompetent as scum and I’m not sure why scum!him decides to get into a back and forth with a generally townread teacher- teacher
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FWIW, I kinda agree with Bob here, IV was towntelling in his EoD posts, and I thought this too. BUT WE STILL NEEDED A FLIP, and thats the only one I saw getting through, especially with Mena/Shelley being off starting a rando wagon on a slot nobody had really considered.In post 3431, Menalque wrote:
Idk if I agree with thisIn post 3423, bob3141 wrote:Basicly at the point teacher and dmath voted Village. IT couldnt of been more clear that IV was town.
He wasnt even the leading lynch if you took away his self vote. Scum never leaves them selves at risk of being a compromise lynch. If village was scum all he had to do was flip on his osuka read. The worst that woudl have happened is that he would have been lynched anyway.
For one thing, I think IV’s end of day was actually much more ambiguous than his early day which I think was townier and while I’m not familiar with his game playing for towncred (self-voting out of ‘frustration’) is entirely a move scum make if they think they’re safe which /at the time he did it/ i think he could have thought he was — as in, it looked very much like osuka was going through and he could always hammer if osuka got to L-1
Speaking of which, Mena, if you dont agree with it, why did you go start a rando wagon <24 hrs before deadline?- teacher
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Ah, yea, that. IIRC, you had doubts about Andres, I said town, Andres voted Plus and you followed -- all v close to deadline. If you didnt think IV was towntelling, why try to flashwagon a new slot when deadline is a serious issue.In post 3439, Menalque wrote:In which case also that was me + andres- teacher
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I attempted NKA, and came down to Saudade was probably the most UTR slot in this F@#$ed game. If anything, I find the kill slightly town-indicative for Kerset, but cant get that far down the rabbithole of WIFOM and get the other reactions.In post 3415, Menalque wrote:I think saudade kill is probably implicative for kerset and maybe to a lesser extent ydrasse
Or it’s an attempt to frame kerset and to get us to flip the doc and save scum a NK- teacher
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This helped. TBH, I found the random wagon <24 hours to be weak play. In a town this disjointed a flashwagon on a new slot was not going to happen. I would have thought youd join your biggest TR (me) and tried to push a counter (bob) that was demonstrably viable instead. If you had, I bet Ydrasse and Andres follow (Ydrasse with voting bob in his heart, Andres seeing that Plus aint happening). But its clear to me that you TR Bob for some reason. I think youre still stuck in your early game position there, tbh. Bob garnerned a lot of early TRs, coasted and made some vague game state comments, shaded my rolestopper comment before I outted informed (by pairing me with any future rolestopper flip), and now is remaining in a tunnel when multiple slots are telling him its wrong. If he puts so much emphasis on meta, why isnt he listening to the one person who has played with me extensively? Or interacting with them directly on, well, anything?In post 3441, Menalque wrote:I think that was fairly clear- teacher
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Factchecking Bob's posts from just today.
False on ANY number of levels: NDMath (a) never says he is ok with Osuka; (b) never is all for IV (see below).In post 3388, bob3141 wrote:[talking about NDMAth] You push me then as soon as my wagon goes. You then say your ok with ouska. Osuka wagon breaks up and tehn your all for IV.Spoiler: Osuka quotes
In post 3389, bob3141 wrote:a few days to deadline
lol. -17 hours, with no counterwagon to IV (nothing above 2 IIRC (Osuka breaking apart, Bob not gaining traction, Plus being a brand new one that nobody had weighed). Sure, lots of time.In post 3398, bob3141 wrote:pleanty of time on the clock
Again, not at all a fair bit from. Hours from. What alternative lynch had any possibility -- maybe Osuka, whom NDMath had explicitly townread (but of course Bob concealed that fact). More importantly, NDMAth does say exactly what Bob said he didnt -- that it was a compromise on at worst a vt slot that cannot see lyloIn post 3397, bob3141 wrote:He choose to vote IV, He choose not to push for any alternative lynch. He didnt say oh at worst IV is VT. He said oh now i think he is scum. He didnt say im voting to avoid no lynch. Which we were still a fair bit fromSpoiler: relevant IV quotes
Yea, those IV quotes above sure do have conviction.In post 3399, bob3141 wrote:votes IV with conviction.
Challenge -- quote me saying Id go to Osuka over IV. Go ahead.In post 3423, bob3141 wrote:When osuka was in the lead both there [i.e., mine and NDMaths] reads where
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????In post 3457, Andresvmb wrote:We had a hard claimed Cop,- teacher
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Plus, my read on you has slipped quite a bit, but I agree with your elimination pool other than me. That's part of my read on you -- I feel like you've been on the OTHER wagons from Mena/Shelley/Ydrasse/Saud (my townleans D1), but had townleans of them/otherwise positioned consistent with them. I feel like the dissonance between your reads of them and your wagon positioning relative to them was one of the reasons people had a hard time consolidating yesterday.In post 3460, PlusJOYED wrote:I think I want a ndmath, bob, teacher, or osuka elim today
peddit agree on town!taylor atm
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Then look at the VCS around 1.11 through 1.13. If town!taylor, do you really think all three leading wagons are on town?In post 3460, PlusJOYED wrote:peddit agree on town!taylor atm
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Weighted readslist:
People I wont lim today: Taylor, andres, mena, shelley, ydrasse
Slot I think is tonally town but laughable: Bob
Slots I would consider, and definitely want to engage with and about: NDMath Osuka
Slot I find scummy: Plus
Slot that is just scum: Kerset
Personal solve (Kerset-Plus-Osuka)
Looking at Kerset and Plus's ISOs on Osuka is interesting, particularly Kerset's unexplained evolution on the slot as it got pressure.- teacher
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It may just be me, but this is written weirdly. Like roles are normally "[Alignment] [modifer(s)] [role(s)]," like "Town miller checker" not "miller town checker" Town is an alignment, not a modifier or a role.In post 3489, Andresvmb wrote:Yeah I’m a Miller Town Checker. Frankly it’s a bit of a stupid Role.- teacher
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Hey Plus, wanna hit this up?In post 3465, teacher wrote:Talk to me about Kerset, leaving aside the claim.- teacher
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IIRC, youre the one who thought it was a joke claim for like a while and pushed Mena on it????In post 3493, PlusJOYED wrote:i never doubted ndmath was ascetic, I think they are mafia ascetic
Also, scum!ascetic and scum!roleblocker?- teacher
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FFS. scum!rolestopper.In post 3497, teacher wrote:
IIRC, youre the one who thought it was a joke claim for like a while and pushed Mena on it????In post 3493, PlusJOYED wrote:i never doubted ndmath was ascetic, I think they are mafia ascetic
Also, scum!ascetic and scum!roleblocker?- teacher
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You do realize I said this yesterday ya?In post 3553, PlusJOYED wrote:tinfoil hat idea:
ndmath isn't ascetic at all. They have a mafia rolestopper and they rolestopped ndmath to give a pseudo obvtown as mafia- teacher
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I’m sorry in what world is ndmath a deep wolf??? Like nobody TRs the slot.In post 3558, shellyc wrote:I'm currently scumleaning NDMath who is probable deepwolf here and also on iv wagon
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Does anybody else actually believe this as a reason to flip so hard?In post 3527, PlusJOYED wrote:
???In post 3512, Kerset wrote:cool saudade is dead and now i get instant L-2
You don't know how to make insightful NKA. We are talking here about saud, he is careless gamethrower. His existence was harmful to town and viging him would be worth it regardless of his alignment, so healing him was out of question. This guy misleads town to lynch his target regardless of circumstances to satisfy his ego. Hardclaimming bullshits is just one of throws typical for his behavior, he thinks that saying nonsense as town is 200IQ play, because thanks to his reputation he can get away with anything, once he rolls scum.
The most important information we got is scum lack of knowledge. Scum didn't know about his nature and took him seriously, which points at people with 2020 join date. Especially shelly, which periodically appears as more naive then she normally should be.
Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset
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Ya, I plan on waiting at least til NDmath checks into thread. I’m just following the niceties and saying that I intend to vote when I feel comfortable, and if you aren’t good with me holding hammer, then perhaps back off.
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So Osuka what is your take on Kerset?In post 3609, osuka wrote:
uhh actually I’m rereading and I think I agree?In post 3527, PlusJOYED wrote:
???In post 3512, Kerset wrote:cool saudade is dead and now i get instant L-2
You don't know how to make insightful NKA. We are talking here about saud, he is careless gamethrower. His existence was harmful to town and viging him would be worth it regardless of his alignment, so healing him was out of question. This guy misleads town to lynch his target regardless of circumstances to satisfy his ego. Hardclaimming bullshits is just one of throws typical for his behavior, he thinks that saying nonsense as town is 200IQ play, because thanks to his reputation he can get away with anything, once he rolls scum.
The most important information we got is scum lack of knowledge. Scum didn't know about his nature and took him seriously, which points at people with 2020 join date. Especially shelly, which periodically appears as more naive then she normally should be.
Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset
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Wrong post?In post 3623, NDMath wrote:3542 Explains very well.- teacher
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A. There are three scum. Having one scumread is??????In post 3644, Kerset wrote:
I said yesterday that teacher, the flips didn't affect this read. Sorry that i haven't fully solved this game yet for you, i am still researching.In post 3533, bob3141 wrote:Kerset today you have not realy said so far who you think is scum.
You made a post bashing saude. You have not even claimed who you protected and why. So who then?
Andre. This is what smart scum would kill, his delayed claim suggested active power, he tried to lay low and wasn't really scumreaded by anyone. You should remember about skill level clue in lylo, it may safe the game. Also later you will see why is it bad idea to pursue gated pr about n1.
B. Are you saying Andres is a scumread?????
C. Does either of these come with reasons? And yes, repeating them is fine because it is impt to tell whether your stance has evolved at all over the 100-odd pages since you adopted them. For example, I could come up with a town!doc’s reason to suspect me before I outted the infoand stopped pushing yoh, but not really after. - teacher
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