Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [game over!]

[shellyc]

saudade claim was obvwrong and bait

[shellyc]

I’m sorry in what world is ndmath a deep wolf??? Like nobody TRs the slot.

wrong terminology lol but i SR them fwiw

[shellyc]

I think joyed is just terribly wrong and I think that theyre TSTBS for now

we could end the day now since kerset is definitely flipped red

I listed my solve thingy: I think it's just kerset / math / osuka at this point

I TR teacher, Menalque, andres, plusjoy. taylor's been pretty townie this phase

[shellyc]

taylor explain town on NDMath

[shellyc]

lynchpool for me is kerset osuka bob math. 3 of the 4 are probably scum

[shellyc]

I'll revisit joyed after they fullclaim

[shellyc]

theory time:

scum roles are: ascetic scum / mafia 1-shot (or any other gate) rolestopper / mafia goon

with NDMath being ascetic scum

[shellyc]

it's all wifom huh

I still TR ydrasse

[shellyc]

Kerset / bob / osuka?

admittedly idk much about setup spec so i might take your word taylor

[shellyc]

cool beans.

we should be looking to hammer obvscum kerset soon

[shellyc]

wifom and a shit reason not to kill someone tbh

you're wifoming this

[shellyc]

Okay here’s a scalding hot take

it's wrong though

[shellyc]

hi ydrasse

town it up a bit more so I can put you in my TR pool

[shellyc]

Ydrasse can you link a scumgame? since I could only find town yesterday night

[shellyc]

I have some interesting observations about you

occasionally meta is useful.

[shellyc]

incorrect

don't try and shade me

[shellyc]

NDmath vs bob is probably not scum vs. scum.

I believe there's probably one scum within the two. Leaning bob atm because of ascetic setup spec

[shellyc]

daddy

[shellyc]

kerset isn't a newbie

tbh the flip-flop alludes to bussing scum but plusjoy's reads have constantly changed during this game. im still TL on plusjoy but I'll judge after the claim + reading ISO

[shellyc]

this is moronic and makes no sense whatsoever. how am i wifoming it? you were the one to make the argument in the first place, not me

the argument works both ways. "why would i kill someone who tr'd me" is essentially the same as "scum killed someone who sr'd me to get me lynched"

scum!me killing town!saudade who TRs me doesn't advance my wincon. occam's razor is the way to go

[shellyc]

feel free to convince me

i can find time to self towncase myself later if you want

[shellyc]

my point is that the argument works either way. occam's razor doesn't apply

please stop pretending like you don't get it

im not pretending because I do not

[shellyc]

Just hammer Kerset now. this is obvscum and im not sure what else we can get out from today. Plusjoy's latevote is scummy but I think scum today just busses kerset for cred? idk

Completely no gamesolving attempt and this isn't a protown mindset. Opinions are "teacher is scum" AND NO OTHER READS?? Please look at the andre line and see how it's blatant fence sitting and shading.

once NDmath comes I'd like kerset to be insta hammered

[shellyc]

osuka is probably their scumpartner shading me for a prospective mislim mid-to-late game

bob or taylor third scum this game is solved

[shellyc]

daddy

[shellyc]

I'm not scumreading you and "repeating", I was literally the first person to vote you

and you havent even outed who you saved

and you didn't die

kerset simply doesn't have a protown mindset + clearly NKA incriminates them

[shellyc]

VOTE: Kerset

hammered

[shellyc]

I'm a Doublevoter

DIE MAFIA SCUM!!!

we go osuka tomorrow and bob after that and all will be solved and it's gg

[shellyc]

Readslist after evaluation (ORDERED. left is townier within the tier)
{shellyc}
{Andresvmb Menalque NDMath}
{Ydrasse PlusJOYED Tayl0r Swift}
{bob3141, osuka}

so in hindsight andres' iso is quite townie and I think Miller Checker is fine combined with Ascetic.
menalque's reads are pretty much where I am at and they actually make effort to solve so I like that
disregarding the claim NDMath is scummy but eh andres claim makes sense with them
Ydrasse hard downgrade, idk I don't really see a lot of solving and the big thing I was vibing before was my gut townpings but goodbye to that. hammer + reread means they move down to null with a slight scumlean
also maybe joyed isn't TSTBS and actually scum. i can see that in their scumrange tbh
bob + osuka still super scummy and i think the scumteam is just bob + osuka at this point

[shellyc]

there goes our cop sadly

I think plusjoy is making an effort to solve from their ISO despite the effort being wrong? but play is very confusing tbh so still nullish scumlean

[shellyc]

Also, Taylor is cleared after looking through teacher’s posts

I was kinda pissed that hammer dropped before I could ask why she was in his top TRs tier but now it makes sense

yeah I can see the readshift but is that due to cop check or reread insight? idk can someone else weigh in on this

[shellyc]

You never get informed named townie. What you get is informed cop.

setup spec abuse to get towncred? sounds like it

everything you say now is pretty much wifom

[shellyc]

*about the spotting pr tells and everything

[shellyc]

Ydrasse's hammer could be intended hammer for him to wifom it out

[shellyc]

ydrasse has lowkey dipped after the hammer

talk to me ydra the voices are telling me that you're scum

pedit: lol im just overthinking everything here, 3680 was a joke

[shellyc]

why is math towny for claim? I think the claim is more or less NAI

rolestopper + ascetic + a checker makes sense as the combo to me, though im not very experienced at setup spec

pedit: I mean around the hammer mainly. Mena tell me something ydrasse did this game /other than the hammer/

pedit: ydrasse but sorry i just realised that I misgendered

[shellyc]

I meant ydra's hammer was intended to make post 3478

[shellyc]

@andres do you consider someone being rolestopped a cleared / guilty result?

because osuka's probably the no.1 scum rolestop target if it's scum!osuka

[shellyc]

so this leans in favour of town probs

osuka's ISO is pretty aggressive against much of the plist but tbh osuka doesnt have much of a solving mindset?
their logical trajectories (like the kerset one) are remarkably weird

[shellyc]

didn't plusjoy hard retract the taylor scumread

like idk why kerset wants to live at d2 when it was clearly them but maybe they felt they needed to with their scumteam so exposed

joyed is just doing more things and making a bigger effort to solve than osuka. end of story

[shellyc]

^ refers to 3699

[shellyc]

also @shelly I just don't think the hammer makes sense from scum!ydrasse because she's prob *less* likely to hammer there as scum if anything

at worst it's NAI, and overall I'm just not gonna worry about it too much unless the game is still going after the PoE slots are cleared out

thats why im thinking as well but overall i am leaning less and less town on ydrasse

the voices of my gut are telling me something is wrong there but idk

I think imma just VOTE: osuka here, it's todays vote unquestionably and after reading the kerset interactions i can see where andres is coming from

but hot take ydrasse leans scum

[shellyc]

Also please don’t flashtrain me I have a busy day at work and I realize this looks bad but I have some ideas

nobody else vote osuka then

the number of votes aorn is perfect

[shellyc]

@bob lets disregard setup spec. what do you think of osuka?

pedit: (no offense) joyed has a rather weak scumrange tbh, scum!joyed doesn't do anything but meh I'll give you this one since much of the plist was posting a shit ton

[shellyc]

I hate phpBB it's so not user friendly smh

pedit: there are enough protown minds active to hammer osuka now
pedit:

[no]

[shellyc]

well maybe not now but there are a lot of towntelling players in this gamestate

[shellyc]

scum would be demotivated at the loss of kerset tbh

idk if that really indicates scum!ydra though

[shellyc]

I stand by my SOD readslist

except maybe Taylor town if teacher checked them?

[shellyc]

okay... like tbh theres not much to get out of the day here except i want to hear a whole lot more from ydrasse

besides wdym when you say "relation to math"

[shellyc]

plus i have a feeling that you’re scum backed up into a corner and you’re trying to throw out some weird theories in an effort to try and deflect elims away from you.

town!plus does weird stuff

how many more times do i have to say this

[shellyc]

I think the scum team is Ydrasse/osuka/kerset now actually

actually kinda concurr, i dont like the convo between joyed and ydrasse

and ydrasse seems off somehow

I want Ydrasse to talk to me in real time if possible

[shellyc]

i thought kerset was town and the red flip has really thrown me off so i need to reevaluate pretty much every slot

can i dive deeper

why did you TR kerset in the first place

[shellyc]

again without having thought as much as id like to have about this, i would say that there is >1 scum in { mena, shelly }

osuka still bullshitting

[shellyc]

right now osuka is lockscum, joyed softclaiming pretty hard but /alive/ is... weird

idk if scum can do that I think thats geniune

to be honest i want to flip bob / ydrasse more than joyed lol

[shellyc]

because... I'm town

end of convo

[shellyc]

You're placing me and my townread in there and trying to deflect to avoid your lim

if you're town you're just being incredibly wrong that it's impossible so you're lockscum

[shellyc]

you did everything backwards to make 3841

pedit: so you think someone bussed them? who?

like it's clearly town motivated, i can't see town!kerset being

more apathetic

as the pressure got more intense and they weren't solving

[shellyc]

you're supposed to know I'm town because im obvtowning here

or rather, can you go scumcase me? so I can have a fun time looking at your flawed arguments

[shellyc]

no im not even trying to waste energy and towncase because I am town and from my actions y'all already can realise I am town

[shellyc]

im more interested in finding who last scum is

[shellyc]

I said just now I wasn't trying to sway anyone

it's quite clear you're approaching me and trying to shade me the UTR since killing me gives scum 0 benefit so your only way to get rid of me is to lim me

[shellyc]

ok im just going to shut up, interacting with lockscum has 0 benefit

[shellyc]

and if you're _so_ town like you claim to be, why the fuck would i not just nk you and get it over with

because theres 0 benefit in killing someone who doesn't have a great sense of how to find scum

[shellyc]

what the fuck does utr even mean

universal tr

[shellyc]

why is everyone talking about the third mafia? did i miss something? who is the second mafia?

osuka since they slipped.

[shellyc]

are both of you stupid? you're clearly assuming i'm scum so under that assumption, i do have a nk at my disposal that i clearly shouldve used on shelly

my point is that the assumption doesnt hold because i would have every reason in the world to kill her, yet that never happened

you went for the pr

besides i dont hold much influence

[shellyc]

Talk to me about plusJOYED - what do you think of the slot?

explained this yesterday

[shellyc]

JOYED!!!!

talk to me, I want to sort you

[shellyc]

why do you want to end the day prematurely if we had a 24h d2?

what do you think of ydrasse

and what do you think of menal

[shellyc]

finally someone is vibing with ydrasse scum

can you elaborate a bit on that

[shellyc]

Ydrasse hi

I hoped to talk with you in real time so

sell me on joyed scum since im having a broad tr for the willingness to solve + soft claim

[shellyc]

you're being pushed because of mainly PoE

andres menalque Taylor are pretty much confirmed

[shellyc]

ydrasse trying to shade me when the consensus is town!me is interesting.

not scummy, just interesting

but tbh I think 3895 might be a TMI slip if osuka flips town - trying to position for d4 when they flip green

[shellyc]

you're smarter than this.

again. don't expect anything from me pls thanks

let me elaborate a little bit more
when I say weird I do mean it. they were pretty much my lynchbait in the two completed scum games with them
they have a lot of hot takes and are willing to make reads. I can see the same high efforting here
for creating content albeit not super spot on reads I am giving them a townpass

so I think they can do this as scum but it's different; like they don't do anything and just try and look cute

[shellyc]

what happened to this energy.

you mean me?

pivot on Taylor is /probably/ TSTBS? that's the big thing im vibing now but I want to wait till they claim to really sort joyed

I want to sort you first I find it easier

[shellyc]

joyed can look very scum as town; read newbie 2027 and their play was ultra scummy. really.

they want to not get limped over spitting reads out and were pretty self aware as well

[shellyc]

*limmed hate auto correct

I was entertaining the possibility since I find my weakness to not entertain counterfactuals so I was considering it at some points, definitely

[shellyc]

Saudade's charisma got to me.

I was never trying Kerset but I wanted to make Taylor the priority so yeah

[shellyc]

*tr'ing let me switch devices pls

can you make comments towards my ISO in one quote wall so we can make this process less cluttering

[shellyc]

how does that mindset come from scum!me + scum!kerset lmao

this proves that it doesnt make sense at all for him to be my partner since i could just committ to hard bus

[shellyc]

it also proves that I have interest in solving the slot = not scumpartners

ydrasse i expected you to be smarter than this

[shellyc]

don't throw kerset
this is tvt

i am scared of voting out a doctor

hi i wasn't the only person townreading kerset

your logic incriminates yourself lol

[shellyc]

wow good job you gamethrowed to satisfy saude ego, suck to be you bc you lost doctor by not giving me chance to claim. At least 10 players in mafiascum will learn how valueable independent thought is.

please tell me 1480 is close to 2026

[shellyc]

do i, the "deepwolf", decide that it is worth it to hammer someone, and then kill the person who has focused solely on myself and my partner? who is then flipped, and then also allowing prs to do what they want? how does that set up a winning gamestate for my team instead of me allowing things to run their course and keeping my vote where it was? the wagon at that point had less than 24 hours and it was unlikely for anything to consolidate again. so what benefits did i receive other than everyone going ??? at me hammering like that?

what if theres a super powerwolf like menalque

also there's an easy argument you can use - TSTBS

[shellyc]

besides you were basically UTR and just say some things like TSTBS and there you go
you basically have the get out of jail free card even if you hammer

[shellyc]

there exists something called bussing for cred - whoever + you powerbussing works very well to establish gamefic that you two are townies

for the menal part, I was just giving an example. I do not scumread mena

I'll come back with a big wall explaining

[shellyc]

incoming big quote wall on ydra's progression on kerset

Spoiler:

vienna is a fan favorite to my family but i dont think i've ever heard them listen to a single other billy joel song

also pls not kerset

"pls not kerset" sounds like scum when their partner's being hardtunneled in what, page 4

ppl i don't wanna vote rn:

iv, andres, mena, shelly, saud, teacher, ndmath

ppl i'm fine w voting right now:

osuka, bob, plus, swift, kerset

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swift/kerset/teacher/nd are the least stable of this sorting.

swift hasn't had a lot of defence that i can remember + i dunno if they're actually scum and i'm worrying over nothing or not.

kerset hasn't contributed too much but i very much like kerset's attitude/vibe this game too despite pushback from some ppl.

teacher is at the bottom of my townreads but the last few posts have been good so maybe we shall find Peace and Stability in time with this read.

ndmath has barely posted but i liked that one line.

liking kerset's vibe but willing to vote them which isn't logical

also osuka's iso just... isn't great. not a lot contributed there but potshots taken at some posts; the difference for me in comparison to someone like kerset is that i find myself liking the general ~feeling~ of kerset's posts more than i do osuka's. so ya.

liking the general feeling of kerset which tbh is a townread

townread me and i’ll vote kerset w you

sounds like self ware scum trying to get towncred a lot

osuka pls we pointed that out so long ago

also those games town!kerset definitely has a different energy than this game but it's hard to compare something that long ago. uh.

i don't know what to make of kerset given the one game i saw them that was recent they were scum and also came out swinging, pretty strong, with their claim and their investment in trying to win. i dunno if they're burned out on scum after that or just... vibing being town. it's ~different~ but i genuinely don't know how to take it. i would think that town kerset would want to be more engaged this time around, esp given the circumstances of that last game?

the tide begins to turn. ydrasse positions around kerset but still fence-sitting on the slot

it is rather cute...

i'm having a tough time figuring out like. what kerset gets out of this as mafia. yknow acting like he is.

still thinking kerset isn't scum = still leantown

because i am starting to think that kerset may just be in fact town

still leans town despite majority concensus on scum!kerset

get them datisi

also kerset i didn’t pick up on that crumb at all i’m sorry

"didnt pick up on crumb" implied you think that kerst is town doc which is what scum is pushing

i was voting them a good while ago before i was swayed to the nefarious kerset wagon

i switched over to kerset because i didn't think my vote was gonna do anything in the way of pressure on osuka but i can't remember anything /recently/ that made me go ??

i also have been checked out a lil bit since the kerset wagon picked up steam though and not doing as thorough of a job as i should so i'll revisit that slot

VOTE: kerset

round 2

when it's not great for kerset you pivot back onto them which isnt very logical considering your overall stance on them

yeah i think the simplest solve for me rn is plus/kerset/osuka.

bussing for cred

[shellyc]

i am asking you, very simply, what the wincon is for me/kerset/someone else making that play. how do we win doing what we have done so far?

ok considering i dont strategy plan as scum much

ydrasse + kerset + some other deepwolf that has been TR on many people
kerset gets tunnelled
ydrasse TRs them but jumps when majority consencus is scum!kerset jumps on
go back to town after kerset claims
hammer iv instead of kerset
bus kerset d2 for cred
lim town!osuka
this rules out osuka as scum tho since osuka + kerset + ydra doesn't make sense

[shellyc]

jumping on their wagon when the consensus is scum on them looks bus-y to me

[shellyc]

considering all things what's your stance on me then

the word "shelly" doesnt come up much in your ISO. and weirdly you seem to not want to interact with me

[shellyc]

you were on both times kerset's wagon builded on d1

[shellyc]

however at EOD you decided to hammer iv

also thats super wifomy

[shellyc]

you're either overly-confident as town for some reason or scum.

ok you have to realise that im always confident / assertive / aggressive as either alignment

[shellyc]

p-edit: but i was off it during the moments matter why? if i'm bussing, isn't the point of me keeping my vote on kerset so people can see i voted out scum?

good point
hmmmmmmm

[shellyc]

you can say it's wifom this, or wifom that, but sometimes you just have to accept things as they are at face value.

it is not your job to tell me how to sort people's alignment and make reads

[shellyc]

sorting you was harder than i thought but 3941 +3939 seem super genuine

I can see that fight, that emotion to prove that you're town

tbh i was a bit more insistent on my stance to bait 3939 so hmmmmmmmmmmm
what if ydrasse is town

[shellyc]

lets try something else
UNVOTE: osuka
VOTE: PlusJOYED

I will look over this when i am higher efforting but im willing to buy town!ydrasse

[shellyc]

we just town vs town'd for the last 5 pages smh

[shellyc]

Ok I read ydrassse-me interaction once again.

it was

intended

to try and sort them and they passed. with flying colours.

I think Ydrasse is town.

when I say they're scum they immediately ask me to prove it which means they have nothing to hide esp. considering their fairly weak scumrange?
when I did that quote wall they manage to find my error - I disregarded d2 interactions with ydrasse-kerset which kinda heavily towntells
posts around 3939 are super genuine and trying to find my mindset while making their point across
"i really don't know how to get the point across" taking into my account my stubborn actions around it this is very town

Andres / Menal / Ydrasse / Taylor are townies. Bob / Math / plusjoy / osuka are the lynchpool. there's a very high chance of hitting scum with osuka lim, and I want plus to claim tomorrow. This game's nearly solved.

[shellyc]

how do you know their scumrange is weak?

they got limmed d1 in a recent mini normal? so yeah

[shellyc]

sorry, no offence to ydrasse

can you elaborate joyed on how you think ydra's scum

[shellyc]

ydrasse is always nervous-ish

but dont they hate playing scum lol

joyed lets not be confident yet

[shellyc]

plus your reads are baffling me

you're basically the de-facto osuka: TR kerset SR iv SR saude and SR on ydra who is probtown

[shellyc]

yay andres is vibing with me

lets be our mini townblock and crush the scums

[shellyc]

did mena just stfu for no reason
mena please come and save us taylor as well

[shellyc]

vengeful sounds very weird

can you quote the softs pls

[shellyc]

joyed can you vengekill if you're nk'd?

[shellyc]

UNVOTE: PlusJOYED

although i need others to comment on setup spec

tbh if plus is really venge, mislimming a vengeful is pretty decent considering they can take down a scum with them? idk

[shellyc]

EBWOP VOTE: osuka as well

I’m ok if we decide to go back to plus to test the claim

[shellyc]

oh then vengeful is a lot more useless than i thought
also quote the softs

[shellyc]

uuhhh considering the claim which i think is pretty townie I think I have to backtrack on ydrasse + menalque

[shellyc]

Ydrasse listen to logic, not scumsuka

[shellyc]

tbh all that sacrificial talk made me think you were unlynchable lol

[shellyc]

osuka no offence but the second line of 3977 applies to you as well since you've been wrong throughout

[shellyc]

I’m not sure I buy vengeful townie here

me neither, what if osuka is town and joyed is scum

oml this game took a really interesting turn today

[shellyc]

joyed who is scum other than osuka?

[shellyc]

joyed stop trying to pocket

DIE MAFIA SCUM

pedit intended townslip? idk why you having super wrong reads is a risk to scum though

[shellyc]

I’m on my phone so you’ll have to elaborate on what exactly you mean because my screen size is likely different than yours

how I think you might be scum because your reads on kerset / iv have been super wrong

[shellyc]

joyed it's fitting how your title is now mafia scum lmaoooo

[shellyc]

i mean i basically agree with you, but the fact that you had to go through all that to get there makes me distrust you.

ok so why tf can't I actually put in effort to sort a slot that has been mostly under the radar

[shellyc]

if I were scum I'd try to pocket the vengeful claim very carefully
I think that's what bob is doing here

SR bob?

Like how hard are you scumreading ydrasse

Unless you are like 100% lockscum on her then it makes much more sense to use your venge shot on someone who’s liable to be the guillo tomorrow

decently enough at this point
i SR osuka more and I think I TR bob honestly
the problem is that I trust you guys to sort bob/osuka out the next day, I have little hope that ydrasse will be found

TR on bob?

explain your logical progression

[shellyc]

...so is bob/plus viable as a team oooooor.

with the Thing I just pointed out I think it's def possible

[shellyc]

will be happy to vote bob

joyed can you explain your ydrasse read more? lets dive deeper

[shellyc]

@Ydrasse do you think joyed is town. if so, who would you want them to shoot

[shellyc]

YDRASSE IS TOWN EVERYONE

THEY ARE TOWN

END OF CONVO

[shellyc]

I will happily be ydrasse's defense attorney if needed if a case comes in

so do you think scum has deeppocketed you joyed

plus why did you change your mind again
i can't comprehend the trajectories happening

[shellyc]

yeah i don't think this level of acting is in ydrasse scumrange

I have a Fun Fact

Ydrasse's scumrange isn't as weak as you think
I wasted my life reading Newbie 2012 yesterday

[shellyc]

i don't and i think i fucked up

im scared help

boom blatant AtE'ing scum checking in

[shellyc]

??????????????????????

we're not getting fucked up
can you explain and calm down

[shellyc]

you don't have anything to back that up

[shellyc]

plus why did you change your mind again
i can't comprehend the trajectories happening

[shellyc]

ok then tell me
1) read on bob
2) read on ydrasse

with explanations attached

[shellyc]

incorrect

[shellyc]

JOYED DIDNT YOU TR YDRASSE

like all these thought gaps and non logical trajectories, look super duper bad.

[shellyc]

joyed instead of seeing scum!anybody can you give me a lynch order so we have have some Fun Discussion and I can release my theory on the alignments of plus and ydrasse

here's mine: (least to most)
Shelly
Andres
Menalque
Ydrasse
Math
Bob
Joyed
Osuka

[shellyc]

secretly ydrasse loves the daddy jokes she just doesn't want to admit it

ydrasse after subconsciously delineating the alignment of you for hours and hours i have come to the conclusion that your user is really catchy and I like it

but anyways, tbh I still think ydrasse is townlean. Quoting myself, sometimes town are just town, and scum are just scum.
wifom isnt a real thing
and ydra has a super townie vibe throughout despite maybe +scumpoints a bit today since they aren't really trying to Solve

[shellyc]

i did before now im unsure, my solve shit has been messed up since all my reads have been wrong (iv, teacher, kerset, even suade a lil)
while I have no scumgames here shelly, i think you underestimate my scumgame and don't realize how fucking awful i am as town

no you're very decent as town and i just reread newbie 2023
maybe i underestimate it but I want to rejoin the joyed wagon, and yeah if joyed is town they shoot within the poe

pedit: I said I was just subconsciously delineating it for hours and reading newbie 2018 (town!Ydrasse) as well

[shellyc]

coz i think if we solve ydrasse and think they're town
the poe is just bob osuka plus

and it's basically gg for us

[shellyc]

scum!math posibility exists if plus + osuka both are green

pedit: I was thinking about it
why am i getting pedited so hard lol

[shellyc]

what happens if im lying about vengeful but im not mafia either?

fakeclaiming as town = 99.9% anti town

pedit: Ydrasse is just kidbitzing on the sidelines and interacting with me but idk where they're even reading me now

can you quote menal

[shellyc]

like sure they did scumlean me for going super wild on my kerset reads but the read didnt do anything. it didnt go anywhere

[shellyc]

the whole interaction with me was nothing more than "hey tell me how tf I am scum in this gamestate" sso you think thats solving?
interaction with joyed is "your progression is bad and don't shoot me" how is that solving it's shading + self defending

[shellyc]

joyed you have a mind

don't blindly sheep menalque

[shellyc]

ok menalque if you think interaction with someone = solving then thats horrifically wrong.

[shellyc]

even if I have plausible reasons for scum!ydra then it doesnt mean im auto town? since ive seen scum compellingly scumcase people more than once

pedit: you're saying that ydrasse is engaging / probing me to give my thoughts on them and therefore they are solving
which I point out isnt true

[shellyc]

like ehhh i think what ydrasse does in the posts above is probe people to give their thoughts (me and joyed)
but ydrasse isn't concluding our alignments fwiw

[shellyc]

Probing people to give their thoughts is protown so i'll give you that, but to me it's not indicative of solving

[shellyc]

this is weird as fuck and I don't buy it at all.

VOTE: PlusJOYED

Also, you contradicted yourself. Scum probably wasn't aware of your "vengeful" ability so your ydra TR doesn't make sense.
Also didnt you just say scum would push you for +townpoints? so your osuka read doesnt make sense either

Tell me how I tread carefully around you because since d1 ive had a scumlean there

[shellyc]

imagine VT!joyed
why would rolecop (if existing) investigate you when town!joyed is obvlynchbait

4227 doesn't make a single tidbit of sense at all and we should powereliminate joyed NOW

[shellyc]

oh my this post is pretty wolfy and misrepping. I've noticed you tend to get wolfier when nearing a kill
it's probably bob/shelly

lmaooooooooooooooooooo

VOTE ME THEN. DIE MAFIA SCUM!

[shellyc]

joyed throwing out reads because ive prodded them to for 10 times and now are giving a solve that doesn't make a single tidbit of sense

[shellyc]

I kinda want to do bob tbh

when kerset (hypothetical partner 1 who looks worse) is near a lim

do I deflect to bob (hypothetical partner 2 who looks better)? how is that +EV for me

[shellyc]

no we speed murder outed scum

[shellyc]

bob3141 - again, falls into the "apathy + agreeable" category. ISO does not display a solving mindset. Vote on teacher looks super bad. Scummy

like why tf do i need to scumread my other partner when kerset was already gone if the solve is shell/kerset/bob

[shellyc]

like tbh I think the hostility of bob towards teacher just incriminates them even more

teacher's reaction is quite geniune and i buy the informed townie claim so bob is just bullshitting

idk why bob just does not accept that teacher made a mistake because upon reread, the reaction seems to show real town emotion

bob's confusing shading of teacher gives me heavy scumpings

so you think I bussed both my partners d2

joyed not checking facts before shading lol

[shellyc]

will be happy to vote bob

so you think i hate both kerset and bob and want to play this game solo

plus no offence at all but you are really really stupid town who thinks i hate my partners or scum

[shellyc]

I think solving is having intention and taking proactive ways to find out the alignment of people and therefore making reads on people

What Ydrasse did was find out what we thought about the alignments of several players. this doesn't constitute solving all by itself since asking someone to give their thoughts will not directly find out said player's alignment

the notable thing is that theres no follow up or conclusion on our alignments after the questioning; it basically accomplished nothing for the town as a whole if you don't end up with a read after discussion and interogation

[shellyc]

You do realise that kerset / bob are more experienced + competent players than me right?

pedit: admittedly town!me gets stressed when pushed on as well; read newbie 2025
I am overdefensive of myself

[shellyc]

Okay so suddenly whole plist turns on me for the reason because i have very bad reading comprehension??

[shellyc]

can anyone case me or offer an explanation as to why im scum other than the reason of "shelly misreps people"

[shellyc]

i could see you push bob and kerset day 2 for townpoints as scum
I also have noticed you've been on basically every wagon

Note to self do not vote anyone ever.

town's most powerful weapon is our vote and i dont think it's especially scummy to use it

pedit: scum are trying to mislim me now and i will not make this work

[shellyc]

I would also like to reiterate my claim that Osuka is sort of obviously scum.

now off to bed I go

pedit: I'll elaborate a bit more on my logical trajectories in the game of everyone tomorrow if you need me to

[shellyc]

can you actually elaborate on wtf you think im misrepping

[shellyc]

this list makes me sad

sorry!

you're before Ydrasse.

[shellyc]

Honestly I’m the first to say that plus has played a Scummy game. To be honest I am amazed at the amount of things plus has been able to pack in this game that make no sense. But I’m struggling a bit with trying to figure out why they would reverse the Claim here. Same day.

cause setup spec with vengeful doesnt make sense and they're getting limmed to test the claim. end of convo.

[shellyc]

bob and andres is TvS af and im nearly positive andres is town

highly concur.

like bob just slipped lol and it sounds awfully like flailing

VOTE: bob

[shellyc]

im fine with putting my vote anywhere on joyed bob osuka if it means pushing the lim.

[shellyc]

swifty I haven't heard from you a lot!

whats your read on the gamestate aorn

[shellyc]

I am not gonna happen osuka

osuka + plusjoy pushing onto me at roughly same times is interesting.

[shellyc]

MENALQUE WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER.

[shellyc]

I feel like ending the day right now is ok, we just get bob and find deepwolves tomorrow probably

[shellyc]

town!Osuka town!me scum!bob kinda makes sense? idk

they way they flip is just weird but my first priority is bob

[shellyc]

I think my lim order is bob > osuka > plus

[shellyc]

make that osuka = plus

@andres so you think town!bob + scum!osuka and osuka's trying to push it on bob here? can you elaborate

[shellyc]

I said before im fine with putting my vote anywhere if it's needed to end the day, theres no way all of bob osuka plus is town

pedit: then @osuka can you explain your thought process on bob more? especially why dont you want to push it on joyed after sussing them more than once

[shellyc]

yes

idc about these stupid pushes on me, it’s coming from either delusional town or scum

now I need to go to work so cant explain in detail, will high effort this later

[shellyc]

shelly is pretty good at scum and from what I know of their towngame they like to tunnel more. Also in this game they've been wagon hopping like crazy

wagon hopping is NAI for me

tunnelling is kinda scum indicative, remember when I death tunnelled you in doggos as scum!shelly

[shellyc]

probably within ndmath or ydrasse

do you think that Huge Interaction with ydrassse was scum theatre? like I don’t really think you can classify two people’s attempts to solve each other from a convo is scum theatre really

as to math, why would I bring pressure onto them at EOD3 if they were my partner tho (I can quote later but on mobile rn)

[shellyc]

plus whats your read on osuka
why do you refuse to scumread them

[shellyc]

my osuka read is that that's just his playstyle and he's kinda wack at times

this is so weird because fwiw I don't think being "wack" is a protown act

[shellyc]

another thing to note is that me and osuka have been on the same page unabashedly most of the time, so much so that I don't think a plus/osuka team makes sense. I might be deep pocketed by Osuka but I think that's unlikely; it doesn't make sense for Osuka to play so risky as scum imo.

there’s the words too scummy to be scum

fwiw I think joyed is pocketed town really and the solve is osuka math?

[shellyc]

another thing to note is that me and osuka have been on the same page unabashedly most of the time, so much so that I don't think a plus/osuka team makes sense. I might be deep pocketed by Osuka but I think that's unlikely; it doesn't make sense for Osuka to play so risky as scum imo.

there’s the words too scummy to be scum

fwiw I think joyed is pocketed town really and the solve is osuka math?

What leads you to this conclusion? As in what specific posts make you think that plus is pocketed and not just Scum? And why NDMath?

I’ll be honest, I think we need to first get a flip of Osuka before we speculate any further. Once that is achieved, and if Osuka flips Scum, I will start worrying about who is more or less Scummy. But until that happens, I think we’ll be mostly wasting our time. I’ll say this - I don’t buy anything that plus is saying right now. None of it. Are they seriously claiming they can’t be partnered with Osuka because it would be too blatant? Please.

like I kinda think plus being uber wrong on everything is town indicative and trying to boldly push the (wrong) world of me + ydrasse is kinda townie?
their defense is bleh but joyed is LHF as town anyways
I don’t wanna 5D chess myself so much and will review joyed ISO again

im considering plus/osuka, math is kinda just lurking + passive and I don’t really see attempts to solve in their ISO

[shellyc]

I think there is some subtle string pulling going on here that NDMath hasn't been apart of.

I think my solve is Shelly/ydrasse

can you explain WHY you think it’s scum theatre?
do you think I TR ydrasse (supposed partner) and put them as my top town at start of game and not once doubt them

its kinda hard to justify this and it’s horrifically bad I think the paranoia comes from town
I want to get rid of osuka no matter what, and then consider the enigma that is plusjoy

[shellyc]

elaborate

because “wackiness” is just a matter of personality and isn’t alignment indicative at all which is illogical for plus to TR you based off being “wack”

basically the play style part is just super wifomy
sometimes scum are just scum

[shellyc]

I feel like menal has lowkey disappointed after getting UTR
Andres is trying to solve while menal is just swimming about

idk hot take I even feel ydrasse is townie than menal

[shellyc]

shelly + andres

osuka it’s so good you’re trying but neither me or Andres are happening

[shellyc]

osuka is just nonsensically trying to last-ditch avoid a miselim
what is possible town motivation to spit out nonsense reads
Andres is a claimed checker

[shellyc]

shelly is a pure soul

ydrasse did you start pocketing me upon my entrance to the thread until now
if you did well played

anyways VOTE: osuka

osuka needs to die, they’re almost lock scum, even if they are town in lylo they’ll just say nonsensical solves

[shellyc]

Kerset

[4]:

Saudade

, osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse

Tayl0r Swift

[4]: shellyc, NDMath,

teacher

, PlusJOYED

innocentvillager

[2]:

Kerset

,

Tayl0r Swift

teacher

[1]:

innocentvillager

NDMath [1]:

bob3141

plusJOYED [1]: Menalque

I think this is the most relevant VC from d1
osuka / joyed or math team makes sense with osuka bussing and math on town!Taylor wagon
bob on math vote kinda interesting

[shellyc]

EOD1

innocentvillager

[7]:

Tayl0r Swift

, PlusJOYED, osuka,

innocentvillager

,

teacher

, NDMath, Ydrasse [HAMMER]

teacher

[2]:

Kerset

,

bob3141

PlusJOYED [2]: Andresvmb, Menalque

Kerset

[2]:

Saudade

, shellyc

both scum on iv EOD wagon makes sense
osuka going over to iv trajectory reads opportunistic scum tbh

[shellyc]

EOD2

Kerset

[6]: shellyc, Andresvmb, Menalque, PlusJOYED,

Tayl0r Swift

,

teacher

[HAMMER]
shellyc [1]: osuka

bob3141

[1]: NDMath

Not Voting [3]:

Kerset

,

bob3141

, Ydrasse

math vote on bob makes fireworks go off in my head
anyways plus/kerset/osuka with osuka wanting to push it onto me makes the most logical sense here

[shellyc]

EOD2

bob3141

[5]: PlusJOYED, shellyc, Menalque,

Tayl0r

Swift

, Andresvmb [HAMMER]
osuka [2]:

bob3141

, NDMath
PlusJOYED [1]: Ydrasse
shellyc [1]: osuka

osuka constantly tunnel visioning me while nullbinning the whole entire plist and fitting his reads into a scum!me world does not come from a town motive. town needs to sort everyone
bob on osuka with town!math
with the solve being plus/osuka/kerset

[shellyc]

welcome back menal

what’s your read on math?

[shellyc]

plus joy’s trajectories make zero sense I think they are so horrifically bad they might even come from town.

[shellyc]

math/plus is viable but I wanna flip osuka to clear up things and that slot is very high chance of flipping red anyways

ydrasse come back I want your reads

[shellyc]

menal when did you start town reading ydrasse

[shellyc]

hmmmmmmmm I remember plus reacting very hostile to the ascetic claim saying that its probably fake though
but you’re right that there was never a vote

[shellyc]

like mid-D1 is when I first came round to a ydra townread and EoD1 solidified that

wait? you think the hammer on iv solidifies a TR?

[shellyc]

what’s the progression on me
4205 states me as most town out of the PoE now, and now im apparently your biggest SR?

[shellyc]

i think the interaction with Ydrasse has strong potential for SvS

can you like, explain WHY for once instead of saying BS artificial reads