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[clidd]

More precisely, how would he deal with Amélie being scummy to him? just ignore?

[clidd]

I can see an answer like ''forget the predecessor, focus on the current player'', but I would like something more organic.

[VFP]

''Stop the spam'', yeah, I can see that coming, but besides that.

I quite like the spam.

[clidd]

''Scumhunt outside of scum!Me. You are focused only on my slot''

Hmm.. True.

[clidd]

Wait, I should continue with this read, because I'm convinced that you're scum.

"Even if I'm scum, you have no support to eliminate me and it is counter-productive for you to continue pushing something that will not happen, as well as making it difficult for other people to read you. Your behavior is the definition of anti-town, or just scum. I do think you're scum, though ''

Ok, maybe you have a point. I can't make you happen today.

[clidd]

Hum .. Still, Titus not doing what town!Titus should do in my head is still a scum point, as well as the lack of interest in visualizing what I raised about the slot, and her reactions too.

''Your spam is annoying, regardless of the AI ​​perspective I'm looking at. My reaction is NAI. You can't predict what town!me or scum!me will do unless you have mastery of my meta, or know me very well. To assume that just because I didn't do what you thought town!me should do is egocentrism. You can't read minds or predict what people can do, just accept it ''

[Titus]

What are your thoughts on each wagon?

I believe one wagon has scum. 2-3
And 1 wagon is most likely full town

Based on your reads on individual slots, which do you think is most likely and why?

[Titus]

More precisely, how would he deal with Amélie being scummy to him? just ignore?

Use my reactions to other slots to sort them. Talk about my hypothetical teammates. Anything to show you're looking at the whole game as opposed to making noise.

Right now, you give me every reason to vote you and not a single reason to save you or reconsider my initial Flea read.

[clidd]

Alright, sounds good.

[clidd]

75%, I liked the ''making noise'' thing.

[VFP]

Based on your reads on individual slots, which do you think is most likely and why?

The way I see it, it's improbable that all 3 scum are on Flea.
2 Green checks and a PR claim on the wagon.

Pooky was on Gera Day 2 and shoeing no sign to move. Llama started the Gera wagon getting traction and Lotus is only scum if Mafia Doc.
So thats the Flea wagon.

Clidd wagon.
3 of the 4 PoE + scummy are voting here.
You / amelie most likely scum. Amelie spent all game giving convenient reads and not even reading the game.
Gera was the counter to DGB and DGB was the lim. Also not looking good today
Flea just falls under PoE.

And that's the clidd wagon.

So I'm still trying to decide which one has the scum on and which one has the town on.

[clidd]

Do you think I'm scum, Vfp? (considering that I'm seeing you as a potential scum by PoE)

[clidd]

I'm curious.

[VFP]

Do you think I'm scum, Vfp? (considering that I'm seeing you as a potential scum by PoE)

Probably not. But you're still plausible.
If you're town, you should be more worried if you and Flea are town because that probably makes me scum by default alone.

[clidd]

Why me + flea as town would make you scum?

[Titus]

Based on your reads on individual slots, which do you think is most likely and why?

The way I see it, it's improbable that all 3 scum are on Flea.
2 Green checks and a PR claim on the wagon.

Pooky was on Gera Day 2 and shoeing no sign to move. Llama started the Gera wagon getting traction and Lotus is only scum if Mafia Doc.
So thats the Flea wagon.

Clidd wagon.
3 of the 4 PoE + scummy are voting here.
You / amelie most likely scum. Amelie spent all game giving convenient reads and not even reading the game.
Gera was the counter to DGB and DGB was the lim. Also not looking good today
Flea just falls under PoE.

And that's the clidd wagon.

So I'm still trying to decide which one has the scum on and which one has the town on.

Based on this, you have a pretty strong rationale for voting Flea and not voting Clidd as much as I'd prefer Clidd based on play.

My play reads and my strategy reads aren't lining up.

[Titus]

Why me + flea as town would make you scum?

This is actually a good question.

[VFP]

Well let's face it, even if a PR claim is fake both won't be.
Out of the 4 from PR claims and clears, at least 3 are going to be town.

That leaves me, Titus, Gera and the extra (if the extra is even there)
By default I'm scum with Titus and Gera more than not.

[VFP]

Based on this, you have a pretty strong rationale for voting Flea and not voting Clidd as much as I'd prefer Clidd based on play.

I'll vote anyone one of you 4 once E1 is hit.

[Titus]

Well let's face it, even if a PR claim is fake both won't be.
Out of the 4 from PR claims and clears, at least 3 are going to be town.

That leaves me, Titus, Gera and the extra (if the extra is even there)
By default I'm scum with Titus and Gera more than not.

This explains why you have been insistent on one of Flea/Clidd is likely scum, aside from the stagnating wagons. You believe both PR claims, scum won't bus, and it's just PoE.

Which do you scumread more by play? It's clear by strategy you should prefer Flea (max 1 scum) over Clidd (higher max probability of scum) but yet you haven't just sheeped. That suggests to me that you think there's a play reason for Clidd being scum.

[clidd]

@Vfp

Could you describe what you liked/disliked about my posting? no wallposts, thanks.

@Titus

It probably won't be helpful for you to answer this, but I would really like to know what exactly elements of my play are bothering you (and that you're seeing as scummy).

Doesn't have to be a big description, just say what you think (the truth, assuming you actually have to read me).

[VFP]

Which do you scumread more by play? It's clear by strategy you should prefer Flea (max 1 scum) over Clidd (higher max probability of scum) but yet you haven't just sheeped. That suggests to me that you think there's a play reason for Clidd being scum.

Clidd spent a lot of time yesterday agreeing with my views or at least not being against them.
Although that should just mean we both scum read correctly here, I'm maybe being pocketed.
I have an odd feeling over Clidd but I think Clidd has kept the game moving more than anyone. Also showing a lot of doubt and double thinking on reads like I have been.
Flea has made some questionable posts today that I feel were just, odd. But it originally seemed too easy of a lim. Until you look at the wagons of course.

[clidd]

I don't know if this is a fact of importance, since activity is not AI, but this is the first game in which I reach more than 300 posts (I have 500+ at the moment).

[VFP]

Could you describe what you liked/disliked about my posting? no wallposts, thanks.

It's more or less in my last post.
Your showing effort and progression on reads. And looking to why they can be wrong. Personally I like that as a town mind set (without just mindless flip flopping)

[LlamaFluff]

@clidd - How do you rectify Flea-town with that slot basically never targeting any of your other scum pool except some exchanges with VFP (and around 12 hours of voting Ame at one point)? Even now they seem to be more in self-preservation mode by voting you.

That slot just seems to have avoided basically all other slots who are likely scum at this point when it comes to any sort of push (outside now of you).