Mini Normal 2197: Noraaland ~Endgame~


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Post Post #1325 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:40 pm

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In post 1324, Gypyx wrote:Activated ascetic protects from everything but vigilante, whille commuter protects from everything, i belived that the fact that this wasn't a commuter was a decent enough hint as it's a way more simple / logical role to put

and if the mafia has their important role die D1, that seems normal to me that it goes not-so-great for the afterwards
Again, that's a lapse in judgement as there's no actual way a thought process like that ever appears when receiving an Ascetic role. If the Mafia loses an important role, Town receiving that role all but seals the mafia's fate.

Jailkeeper/Alien/Vigilante/Gunsmith.
All of which are powerful, it's swingy.
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Post Post #1326 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:41 pm

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there are gates on those roles though
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Post Post #1327 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:01 pm

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In post 1326, Gypyx wrote:there are gates on those roles though
Doesn't matter, it's still strong and swingy.
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Post Post #1328 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:05 pm

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Thanks for running Nora, GG to the scumz :D
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Post Post #1329 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:13 pm

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In post 1327, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1326, Gypyx wrote:there are gates on those roles though
Doesn't matter, it's still strong and swingy.
swingy? yes, but not to horrendous amounts, of course, if you take the worse case scenario, it's going to be
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Post Post #1330 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:15 pm

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In post 1307, Bhad Bhabie wrote:]
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...well there goes like half the reason I rolled over.

Still don't regret it because the other half was that I was playing like garbage so I would've just been miselimmed later anyway.
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Post Post #1331 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:42 am

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Post Post #1332 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:43 am

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Post Post #1333 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:47 am

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In post 1311, Noraa wrote:Big thank you to all replacements!
Thanks to you
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Post Post #1334 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:56 am

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GG, thanks to all the mods

Any setup that makes it to Elo isn't bad honestly.

Amazed Toog got away with a completely fake no motion claim in a gypyx setup. I read through the isos when I made my last shot and realized everyone seemed town, probably should have reevaluated sooner. Toog played very well though.
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Post Post #1335 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:56 am

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Gutted the jester didn't win

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Post Post #1336 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:13 am

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Noraa, this was a wonderful game!
Thank you for the invite :) <3

I almost didn't join but I'm really glad I did!


Toogs, I don't recall if I said so in the dead chat, but you absolutely killed it this game! Especially for someone who hates playing as scum! Like, you were fantastic :)


Titus, you scare me and I was looking at who would be the toughest lims as the game continued and especially those who are really good players.

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In post 43, Aristophanes wrote:Like Titus is already obvtown
Gamma is going to be leading the game soon and thus will have to be played around or eliminated
Infinity is already having good takes and I can see that being our downfall.
I'd be afraid od Beginning if it were their main but the alt takes away so much of their power.

Johnny, Italiano, and Surferchu are our MisElims this game.
If we can get Murdercat as well that would be amazing but leaning on an early 1v1 is not a place I want to be.

I hate that Johnny is probably dead today because I do love the guy but so be it if it happens.
That's why I chose to kill you N1.
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Post Post #1337 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:23 am

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Gypyx, the Ascetic actually didn't tell me there was a vig as much as the backup Gunsmith did. I mean, why else does scum need a gunsmith?

JV, I think you're overlooking the fact that gating PRs does heavily change their balance and also that Swing isn't always a bad thing! I would rather playin a fun, swingy game than a bad, balanced one. I have always held that thought and it is reflected in the setups I've made myself over the years.

I think not being multitasking is also a huge balancing effect. We take it for granted nowadays, just like we take daytalk for granted, but it's actually huge mechanically.

I will say that the 3-shot vig might have been a bit much, but otherwise I don't really have much to say about the setup!
Out of curiosity, which took precedent in NAR? The Alien or the JK?
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Post Post #1338 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 am

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The vig had a lot of balance against it though
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Post Post #1339 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 am

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@Noraa pls release the threads!
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Post Post #1340 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:29 am

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not sure i understeand your first sentance, could you develop?

Novice 3-shot vigilante was a meme role kinda btw

the alien does, according to the normal game NAR page
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Post Post #1341 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:30 am

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In post 1338, MURDERCAT wrote:The vig had a lot of balance against it though
It also could have ended the game with a town victory without a single scum Elim which is...well not good :P
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Post Post #1342 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:40 am

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In post 1340, Gypyx wrote:not sure i understeand your first sentance, could you develop?

Novice 3-shot vigilante was a meme role kinda btw

the alien does, according to the normal game NAR page
Oh coo, I haven't looked at NAR too closely since the Alien became a registered role so that's neat to know!

The first sentence was in response to this
In post 1324, Gypyx wrote:Activated ascetic protects from everything but vigilante, while commuter protects from everything, I believed that the fact that this wasn't a commuter was a decent enough hint as it's a way more simple / logical role to put

and if the mafia has their important role die D1, that seems normal to me that it goes not-so-great for the afterwards
I think Ascetic does make sense as a flag that there is a Vig, but it also wasn't the biggest flag scum had that there was one. Mafia having a Gunsmith role, even as a backup, implies some sort of town killing role. I mean, it could be a fakeclaim that is just really good and is a red herring but I don't think that's as likely in most setups. So having the Gunsmith was the big flag that town had a vig, not the Ascetic.

It follows that having an ascetic and not being multitasking implied the lack of existence of a different type of investigative role existing. What would be the point of a non-multitasking ascetic if it would be no help against the watcher/follower/motion detector/cop/whatever else could exist? Meaning it probably doesn't. I suppose had I been thinking of it that way, I'd have been a lot more at ease when Toog claimed MD, though it was a big risk for him to do so regardless.

If I'd been thinking of mechanics and their implications while I was alive this would have been way more helpful :P
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Post Post #1343 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:52 am

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In post 1341, Aristophanes wrote:It also could have ended the game with a town victory without a single scum Elim which is...well not good
I mean even in a setup that is horribly scum sided you could just say "yeah but if town just elims the scum they will win" so I'm not sure that's a convincing argument :P
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Post Post #1344 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:54 am

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Again, based on my outdated setup intuitions, this would be balanced if you gave town a 2-shot cop
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Post Post #1345 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:59 am

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In post 1341, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1338, MURDERCAT wrote:The vig had a lot of balance against it though
It also could have ended the game with a town victory without a single scum Elim which is...well not good :P
oh so this is Towsided? (jk :P)

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Post Post #1346 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:00 am

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In post 1342, Aristophanes wrote:I think Ascetic does make sense as a flag that there is a Vig, but it also wasn't the biggest flag scum had that there was one. Mafia having a Gunsmith role, even as a backup, implies some sort of town killing role. I mean, it could be a fakeclaim that is just really good and is a red herring but I don't think that's as likely in most setups. So having the Gunsmith was the big flag that town had a vig, not the Ascetic.
good point, ascetic was more to really say this is a vig, and not cop or anything else
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Post Post #1347 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:01 am

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In post 1344, Infinity 324 wrote:Again, based on my outdated setup intuitions, this would be balanced if you gave town a 2-shot cop
hum, that feels quite excessive !
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Post Post #1348 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:05 am

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In post 1344, Infinity 324 wrote:Again, based on my outdated setup intuitions, this would be balanced if you gave town a 2-shot cop
Oh god no ahaha



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Post Post #1349 (ISO) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:07 am

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In this game the only power that was relevant was 1 shot of the vig (and the no kill was a bit helpful I guess), and it didn't feel particularly unlucky for town
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