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[samantha97]

why did luca have the power to kill you but not me

[Datisi]

s_s do you have any updates to your ~general reads~ or something

[Datisi]

why did luca have the power to kill you but not me

his arguments actually made sense and he'd elaborate on them when asked

[samantha97]

on the heels of me elaborating when asked

I see how it is

also doesn't killing anya clear koto and condemn llama? seems most efficient to me

[Umlaut]

Not choosing between Llama and Anya today is honestly a terrible idea.

I was going to wait for Llama to answer me but
VOTE: Anya
in the interest of not going sideways

[Datisi]

on the heels of me elaborating when asked

I see how it is

also doesn't killing anya clear koto and condemn llama? seems most efficient to me

i've been begging you to interact with me since literal fucking day one and all you've said is "the word vibe" and "something i've forgotten about" and "there's 1 in luca/datd because poe" and i'm sick and fucking tired of it, do you really not expect me to be frustrated here?

[Datisi]

[.spoiler=Living]TheGoldenParadox

Vanilla Townie

, wins the game for town as the lone survivor ![/spoiler]

[.spoiler=Dead]Shellyc,

Vanilla Townie

executed day 1
Bunno,

Vanilla Townie

killed night 1
Tayl0r Swift,

Vanilla Townie

executed day 2
Battle Mage

Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop

, killed night 2
Professor Mafia

Mafia Odd-Night Complex Traffic Analyst

, executed day 3
Menalque

Role Watcher Neighbor

, killed night 3
iamausername

Vanilla Townie

, executed day 4
Iconeum

Town Ascetic Indecisive Doctor Neighbour

, killed night 4
Alonzo

Town 1-shot Bulletproof Vengeful

, executed day 5
Bob3141

Mafia Informed

, vengekilled day 5
Datisi

Mafia Goon

, killed night 5
Noraa

Town Novice 3-shot Vigilante

, killed night 5[/spoiler]

i don't like bringing up my own ptsd fuel but i can't stop thinking about this game

> town hoods
> town doc
> town mailman

??? scum traffic analyst ???

[samantha97]

mafia are often frustrated when their ruses don't work

[samantha97]

VOTE: anya ~

[Datisi]

mafia are often frustrated when their ruses don't work

scum!me doesn't give a single flying fuck if some rando scumreads me

like you're not a threat to scum!me, i can kill you i can get you yeeted in lylo w h o c a r e s

if you're town it's a much bigger problem especially in a game like this where i'm already so far out of any scumgame i've ever played and i really don't wanna get voted because you refuse to reevaulate for 5 seconds????

[Something_Smart]

s_s do you have any updates to your ~general reads~ or something

yes, I have no idea what the hell is going on and I'm going to stop pretending I do

[Something_Smart]

and also umlaut is scüm

[Datisi]

and also umlaut is scüm

i am listening

[samantha97]

I've been saying whynaut umlaut for a while now

[Something_Smart]

I mean the case is just 3158 and 3229

[Datisi]

i have a feeling the team is either some combination of {outworld, umlaut, llama, anya} or we just lose

[Datisi]

I mean the case is just 3158 and 3229

i understand your feeling on the first one but i'm gonna need an elaboration on the second one

[Koto]

{Umlaut, Llama, S_S}
Would that be so easy?

[Koto]

Anyway, Llama over Anya. Always.

[samantha97]

Spoiler:

Anyway, I think my big takeaway from a quick read is OW is town. VT claim in this situation to me is a massive towntell, its not like there is no other wagon that things can shift off to. Its almost strong enough that if OW is scum, I think it forces Umulat to be scum because that would have probably been where all the attention went (note that only works one way, OW-town or Umulat-scum by itself doesnt massively impact the other). Unless site meta has massively shifted, a D1 PR claim unless it really makes no sense, gets countered, etc tends to live... VT not so much. So yeah, defense mode on OW activated based on the classic tells.

I wrote a whole thing here about why I'm not sure I agree claiming VT is the massive towntell you seem to think it is but then realized I don't care since there's really no reason to scumread OW anyway.

Spoiler:

VOTE: outworlder

if someone hammers without a claim they should get instalynched tomorrow

last mini normal I played mafia hammered a neighborizer before they could claim, cause they were inactive like outworlder/umlaut

This bothers me (emphasis mine). This *really* bothers me because of the implications of it all. There is a difference between saying "no one hammer without a claim" and "no one hammer or they get ran up tomorrow". The second part, which Samantha decided to use here, includes a direct implication that OW is town, which is a very odd one to make as that flies in the face of their reads. Samantha is approaching OW from two different midsets. The first is that OW is scum and needs to go today. The second one is anyone who hammers without a claim is scum, unless you believe that she is seriously suggesting that if someone hammers without a claim that they are scum regardless of what OW flips. The natural mindset is "that was risky, but lets see what happens" if someone hammers a scumread with no claim. Not "you did X that automatically means Y". Because if OW is scum... hammering without a claim wouldnt be a scumtell unless Samantha is seriously suggesting scum would just hammer a partner without letting them claim.

Vote Samantha

Lets see what type of last minute push we can make.

I can maybe buy this but I'd like to see how Samantha responds to it.

no one should have responded that this was a good argument, or that there was no reason to think outworlder was mafia

like really? you're town and you can't think of a single reason why some stranger who you ostensibly don't know the alignment of could be mafia?

[samantha97]

VOTE: umlaut

[Datisi]

koto i thought you were town how is it llama over anya here

[Something_Smart]

i understand your feeling on the first one but i'm gonna need an elaboration on the second one

why would you vote one half of a 1v1 because the other half is refusing to do something you want?

especially since it's not really a 1v1, and the question llama is refusing to answer is extremely pertinent to this (and llama is actively hindering our ability to understand the gamestate by not answering it), but umlaut is nevertheless treating it like it is, and somehow not trying to punish llama for preventing us from understanding what's going on.

[Koto]

koto i thought you were town how is it llama over anya here

Since I am heavily SR Umlaut who just voted Anya.

[samantha97]

koto i thought you were town how is it llama over anya here

Since I am heavily SR Umlaut who just voted Anya.

also that's like the 3rd or 4th post that datisi has made trying to dissuade people from llama