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[Datisi]

i was gonna say something rude but it would be ogi so i won't

[samantha97]

you won't cause you're scared of what people will think of you cause mafia

[Koto]

i was gonna say something rude but it would be Oregon Graduate Institute so i won't

?

[samantha97]

oreo gobbler indicative

[Datisi]

threatening wrt outside-game-influence is against the rules

[Datisi]

@s_s i think that makes sense.

@koto why are you at s_s over outworld again?

[Koto]

@koto why are you at s_s over outworld again?

Wagons. Not a strong preference, though.

[Datisi]

can you elaborate on the "wagons"?

[Anya]

i still dream about the llama bunny raccoon solve it makes me sleep easy at night when that could actually be a thing and the world would be just right

[LlamaFluff]

Llama, why can't you just say whether you're a traffic analyst positive or not? (Keeping in mind that a disabled mailman is not a traffic analyst positive)

i think at least this should be happening, and if he claims to be a positive i might even start advocating for massclaim. though the main reason is, i want this claim today so if we end up flipping anya and she's town, i at least want a guaranteed scum execution tomorrow, and i don't want scum!llama to be trying to get away with it by claiming a positive *then*

I would return a positive to a TA last night. Its also pretty obvious even moreso from where I am that it means Anya is scum as there are multiple town roles that fit into the same bucket and she is the counter to them. Pretty sure her role is exactly what she claimed, and I wouldnt even doubt her targets are exactly what she claimed (to the point Koto actually gets some town points with Anya-scum). Alignment... thats still scum.

This is literally nearing a 1v1 situation for me. Its borderline bastard modding for Anya to be scum here. Im just trying to see if there is a way to break this game, but the closest I find is a "I force scum to NK me/Anya" scenario and that only works if we are both town.

[Datisi]

hm.

so we have 3 town pr's flipped, plus a mailman. then the claimed ta in anya and a claimed ta-positive in llama.

i... don't think these can all be town, right?

i'm in a call right now so can't give this my full attention but i'll @s_s to weigh in The Situation

[LlamaFluff]

hm.

so we have 3 town pr's flipped, plus a mailman. then the claimed ta in anya and a claimed ta-positive in llama.

i... don't think these can all be town, right?

i'm in a call right now so can't give this my full attention but i'll @s_s to weigh in The Situation

Its Anya. Mailman can be either alignment and Rathe nerfs it heavily out the gate. It should be pretty clear (sans modifiers which I really dont want to get into) what I am at this point. Why create a town role that by D2 runs the risks of more false-positives than real positives? Its a PR hunting role.

[LlamaFluff]

This game actually seems to have a really cool concept going on that im digging. But it makes it more obvious why Anya is scum, especially if I ever get confirmed. I think she thought this was a safeclaim that could either drag town down with her first clear her as town, but it doesnt work that way. Scum TA is just a weaker version of RC in this spot, even though for a clear reason it can also backfire on them.

[Something_Smart]

It should be pretty clear (sans modifiers which I really dont want to get into) what I am at this point.

It is not, at least not to me. So why not say it?

[OutWorldER]

VOTE: Anya

Town TA would be worthless, and Scum TA puts Anya's quickhammer into context. This situation is self-resolving anyways, especially if Llama is softing what I think he's softing.

[Something_Smart]

Town TA would be worthless

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Town TA is a cop with false positives, you realize this right? The scum PT counts as private communication.

[LlamaFluff]

It should be pretty clear (sans modifiers which I really dont want to get into) what I am at this point.

It is not, at least not to me. So why not say it?

What town role would result in a TA positive and fits in with dead players? I dont think this needs to be spelled out. Also I think unless I have had really bad reads its best for me to keep quiet about everything here. I guess thats a "trust me" spot, but if im alive tomorrow we gain a ton.

Anya needs to die immediately. There is basically zero chance she is town outside of the review group being okay with what is essentially a "lets screw with this one slot" role. As a scum role, it makes perfect sense.

[OutWorldER]

If my assumption is correct, we have:

Llama (TA-positive)
Llama's partner(s) (Other TA-positive)
Mailman
Neighborizer
Neighborizerd

By D2, that is at least 5 players that can give false positives. While "worthless" is an exaggeration, I don't think a reasonable mod would add a role that would be more likely to out and kill town than scum.

[LlamaFluff]

Let me put it this way, I actually wrote up a post this morning that had me fake claiming that I would not have turned up positive until I chickened out of it and instead am doing this. Thats how confident I am Anya is scum, I almost fake claimed as town. I just couldnt risk it because depending on a few reactions it could have ended up nearly being a game throw if I was wrong. I actually somewhat regret not making that move because it just has to be the truth, im that confident. Just not willing to let my return to the site being a bad read game throw.

What town ever has a Rathe-townish read all of D1 and then votes him late? Then backs that up with (as apparently Macho which would suggest doctor) quick hammer random player without a claim? Town doesnt. I think Anya is flipping Scum TA. No macho involved, that just became a convenient tack on. Even if we ignore that she essentially is a VT cop in disguise. There is zero world where town fails to target OW where if they were scum suddenly are 100% caught. Koto and me? Those are scum searching for town PRs.

Ignore all PR stuff and who is scum? Anya
Look at PR stuff and who is scum? Anya

Who dies today? Anya

[Something_Smart]

What town role would result in a TA positive and fits in with dead players?

If you're scum, I'm not going to help you come up with a good claim. Sorry. If you want us to know, then say it. If you don't say it, then don't act like you want us to know.

[samantha97]

VOTE: anya

[OutWorldER]

Think that's E-1

[Gypyx]

it is him

the lockdown god

Official Vote Count

llamafluff (2) Anya, koto
Anya (4) Llamafluff, Umlaut, OutworldER, samantha97
OutworldER (2) Datisi, Something_smart

Not Voting

(1) : Iconeum

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-04-16 07:40:29)

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[samantha97]

I'm so torn over the consistency of that wagon lol

[Datisi]

zzz i have an urge to lolhammer

i'm not sure if that'd be the correct course of action here but it's there lol

pedit: if that flips scum, there's scum bussing 100%