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[Iconeum]

Spoiler:

can you all promise to not wait until deadline tomorrow cause this is definitely gonna be a town lynch no matter who it is

This is weird given you then vote a PR claim

If you really believed this then you'd have insisted on limming the VT claim (who you SR btw) instead of a PR clam D1

what ya gotta say about this one, sam

if that even is your real name

town mailman enabler

One fucking minute later

VOTE: rathe

Damn, that infuriates me

Maybe Samantha is just scum here, that looks so opportunistic. Scum would know there is a potentially strong Mailman who will be made redundant by this move, and she votes so fast before anyone can unvote or even think about it

ngl, i'm seeing what luca is saying here...

it was deliberately fast since I knew people would unvote

what

Imo the hammer is a little bit less bad than you're making it out to be, luca, because we really just needed an elim, there was a nonzero chance that we would try to get the votes for outworld and not succeed and end the day in a no elim

It was bad, to be clear, but still

the hammer itself… definitely not bad
we did it to ourselves

but everything preceding it what luca is quoting is pinging me

VOTE: samantha

the discrepancy in yeeting the claim is just something i don't see town doing

even in isolation, the 'omg i think it will flip town' is just a scum post distancing from the flip, and when she sees a potential to yeet a pr enabler goes for it under cover of deadline

makes sense

if you look at the kill, both sam and infinity profit from it in a gamestate perspective

sam is key on the rathe exe, and infinity was the instigator

we should yeet in these 2

yes I can see anya as mafia

the problem is I can see you outworlder and umlaut as mafia as well

the only people I actually feel good about being town are koto and something_smart

this is bullshit yeah?

ok shotgun solve here goes

(anya/llama)
(outworlder/Samantha/umlaut)

1 scum in the top
remainder in the bottom

if this is wrong... yeah

it was mainly a sheep of luca's read, where sam's motivation for insta-voting the mailman enabler claim just doesn't come from town
followed by the distancing from the flip 'omg i think this might flip town'
only the 2 townreads and a few naked scumreads

[Iconeum]

outworld with the 'scumread yet deferred townread because ico says so' on datisi
and sam has been shading datisi forever

but they don't need that, they just need umlaut dead which is a real possibility
and sam's rushing this through isn't really vibing well

umlaut + outworld? they just don't give a shit here it's hard to imagine they are not into this game with that position?

sam + umlaut? no way right?

[Iconeum]

is there *any* combination that even makes slight sense?

sam + outworld? with outworld just doing jack shit hoping someone votes umlaut and he can hammer?

sam + datisi? with datisi trying to get me into townreading sam, sheep vote umlaut and hammer for victory?

datisi can only be scum with sam here - or with umlaut i guess???? but then i'd certainly be dead already, even more then i should be
is it even realistic for me to include datisi in a solve? aaaaaaaaaaa

[Iconeum]

who's objectively scummier

outworld?
umlaut?
Samantha?

i can probably case all 3 lol

[Iconeum]

who's objectively townier? is that easier?

[Datisi]

ok here's like. my general problem here.

there are some things that point at ico being scum. like he's slightly too lethargic in this lylo and that claim is sketch and s_s is probably yelling at me right about now. however. if ico is scum, there's 1-2 town in umlaut/outworld. and i cannot see that. i cannot justify voting ico when (1) umlaut/outworld have absolutely dogshit associates with the flipped scum, (2) right now they're playing like scum who's lost all will to live. like. what am i supposed to do here.

[Iconeum]

with who am i scum??????

[Datisi]

like who is ico scum with here.

umlaut? probably not, i don't think those interactions are s/s.
samantha? if the remaining townies are me/umlaut/outworld we have lost this game looooong before today.
outworld? even if we assume no daytalk, would it really take them this fucking long to organize a hammer? are they just sitting on their ass waiting?

pedit: funney you ask that lol

[Iconeum]

like

ok assume i'm a scum mailman then

it's not with Samantha because she made damn sure the mailman got neutered by slaying the enabler claim
it's not with umlaut - i think you know why
possssibly with outworld? and we aren't taking the win here because??

[Iconeum]

ok lol

[Datisi]

i'm ignoring ico/samantha bc in that universe this game is far beyond salvation. ico/outworld at least makes *some* sense. iirc you were protecting outworld for like. a while. and i don't remember him having any significant interaction w you.

but like this requires you both either being really bad at organizing quickhammers or just slowrolling us here because you hate us

and like

aaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

[Iconeum]

like who is ico scum with here.

umlaut? probably not, i don't think those interactions are s/s.
samantha? if the remaining townies are me/umlaut/outworld we have lost this game looooong before today.
outworld? even if we assume no daytalk, would it really take them this fucking long to organize a hammer? are they just sitting on their ass waiting?

pedit: funney you ask that lol

these are town!tisi conclusions

[Datisi]

ico do you think i'm scum

would you be willing to vote umlaut for a second

[Iconeum]

do you have any idea how much creepers you are giving me with that post

[Iconeum]

holy fuck

[Iconeum]

i mean

overall i think ur town - there is some paranoia but ehh

that last post is just creeping me out

but i'm not voting you today anyway so i don't really care lol

[Datisi]

yes i know

a good chunk of making that post is bc i think it's funny

but also i feel like there's value in clearing two more teams here

pedit: okayyy then

[Datisi]

but i'm not voting you today anyway so i don't really care lol

you do know that scumtisi isn't killing you tonight, right? like if i'm scum, you're gonna have to make the decision at some point

[Iconeum]

if you had all control here

who do you yeet?

[Iconeum]

but i'm not voting you today anyway so i don't really care lol

you do know that scumtisi isn't killing you tonight, right? like if i'm scum, you're gonna have to make the decision at some point

please don't make me consider the possibility of being alive tomorrow

[Datisi]

probably outworld?

but the fact that outworld didn't vote umlaut back in day one kinda points at umlaut being his partner... ehhh i dunno. still probably outworld.

actually yeah outworld didn't vote umlaut. does that mean ico is ---partner then? ehhh i hate this game

[OutWorldER]

@Ico I mean I'm stuck in the same conundrum as you. It's just a coin toss at this point. I think there's a bit more evidence that supports Umlaut as Llama's partner due to how things played D1 but Samantha is independently scummy.

I'm "shading" Datisi because my gut tells me that we don't get to this point in the game without one of the big voices in the game being misleading/scum, especially after the Infinity elim.

[OutWorldER]

It's 6 AM and I've woken up because of a cat scratching me so I apologize if any of the following or preceding posts are incomprehensible.

[OutWorldER]

Spoiler:

llama what do you think of otherworlder datisi and luca

Part of my OW read will be determined by his answer to my question. If Dats and Infinity are town though he is either very passive scum or gets some town points.

Dats is pretty null, I sort of lean to opposite of Icon though (If Dats is scum Icon immediately becomes one of my strongest town reads due to his "If I was scum that would be an easy spot to park my vote" implies Icon-town in a way that isnt typically the way town approaches the game).

Luca I have no idea on. Their insight into the Icon-Dats exchange seems to be correct though which at least makes me want for them to contribute more instead of trying to figure out their alignment through reads on others.

ready to reveal your read on outworld?

I lean town on him because if he is scum, I think they are being very aggressive in limiting the number of players who they can vote and the logic behind it flows pretty well. He is calling me town, you town, Infinity town, Icon town, Umulat town and EZ town. With the exception of maybe Samantha, thats being against just about every wagon/viable wagon. If Samantha is scum, I think OW goes solidly into the town bucket. The same thing applies if you, me and Icon are town. Feels more like a towntell to see that type of an exchange and just write it all off as a positive. That and his wagon with the exception of EZ are all at best null reads for me.

I still haven't decided whether this is photoshopped or not.

Official Vote Count

samantha97

(3): Rathe, Andresvmb, OutWorldER

Iconeum

(2): LlamaFluff, Umlaut

Umlaut

(4): Momrangal, Iconeum, Datisi, Infinity 324

OutWorldER

(4): Luca Blight, esotericzoomer, samantha97, Anya

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-04-02 02:56:32)

alright so here's what I'm thinking: Llama interrogated me for a bit D1 per these posts and didn't reveal his read on me until after I had called Umlaut town. This was during a time in which both Umlaut and mine wagons were the top.

At that point I had already stated a TR on Llama and was mostly blind to the Umlaut situation at a pretty early point in D1. I think Llama wanted the wagons to shift away from that and maybe go on Samantha or Ico. Get me on his side which worked for a long time and get his partner out of the limelight.

Llama and Umlaut were also voting Ico for a lot of D1.

[OutWorldER]

It's weird though because Llama does join me for a last minute Samantha push at the end of Day 1 but then basically seems to ignore her for the rest of his ISO?