Mini Normal 2209: Musicals II [Endgame]

[Anya]

@anya what about italiano's defense feels town to you? this a good faith question

i dunno it feels like he's innocent and wants to win by the power of friendship and teamwork i assumed the apologetic skill tree choice was a personality trait

[Dannflor]

VC 1.02

One Of Us

votes

[1] Not Voting

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T3

[2] InsidiousLemons

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boxxy, bloodhail

[2] boxxy

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Anya, ItalianoVD

[2] ItalianoVD

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InsidiousLemons, ChannelDelibird

[1] Not_Mafia

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Not_Mafia

[1] Anya

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UNOwen

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2021-05-23 16:52:03)

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[T3]

Yo T3, answer my question please?

Hard to explain. Mostly just the way their phrasing reads with me.

[ItalianoVD]

Okay had a great time on my birthday yesterday! I’ll respond to everyone who may have responded to me if they did in a bit.

[ItalianoVD]

This game is kinda dead. Feels like a newbie game.

[ItalianoVD]

At this point @Lemons you are being petty and blinded by what you want to see. In an effort to keep my sanity and flood this game with back and forth pointlessness I won’t be responding to you. I’ll make the choice when and/or if I do again.

[ItalianoVD]

i've now typed a whole lot of words about what is ultimately, imo, a minor point. but although i wouldn't have blathered on quite this much unprompted, i do think it's worth remembering -- the most minor differences in phrasing can sometimes be the most telling.

I see what you're saying now.

Not sure I agree that a town player wouldn't see the phrases as interchangeable but Italiano's response suggests your interpretation is right.

Pretty sure I've encountered town players who came across as self-conscious in this way before though, so I'm cautious to read too much into it.

What do you mean by the bolded? Could you elaborate?

@Italiano - what are your thoughts on Lemons?

I’m still trying to figure out if his actions are scum motivated or town motivated. I’ll get back to you.

[ItalianoVD]

*them (sorry)

[ItalianoVD]

In an effort to keep my sanity and

not

flood this game with back and forth pointlessness I won’t be responding to you. I’ll make the choice when and/or if I do again.

[ItalianoVD]

I'm considering just voting out boxxy and lemons and hoping we win the game.

doubt theyre a team tbh

Who would you guess is Lemon’s partner?

[ItalianoVD]

@anya what about italiano's defense feels town to you? this a good faith question

i dunno it feels like he's innocent and wants to win by the power of friendship and teamwork i assumed the apologetic skill tree choice was a personality trait

[bloodhail]

I'm considering just voting out boxxy and lemons and hoping we win the game.

doubt theyre a team tbh

Who would you guess is Lemon’s partner?

too early to say but dart throw guess is CDB or N_M

dont think boxxy goes off on lemons about rolefishing if teamed

boxxy feels flipbaity imo

[UNOwen]

Hard to explain. Mostly just the way their phrasing reads with me.

What about boxxy?

[UNOwen]

What do you mean by the bolded? Could you elaborate?

Lemons thinks that the only reason you would say "if we're the same alignment" instead of "if you're town" is because the latter looks performative and so you're trying to avoid looking scummy. I'm saying that I don't think that's true in general, town could use either phrase without being worried about which looks more performative. That you brought up yourself that only scum need to highlight their townieness in response suggests that this was on your mind though, and that you

were

deliberately trying to not look like you were trying to look town.

[T3]

bloodhail and Italiano are very towny.

[T3]

Hard to explain. Mostly just the way their phrasing reads with me.

What about boxxy?

Mostly for reasons already said. The post at the start with the question felt like a fake townslip with a usually obvious answer.

[boxxy]

Sorry I don't have much time to post on weekends, getting caught up.

UNVOTE:

for now

I know my alignment, I don’t know yours, so if we have the same alignment (meaning both town) then both our time here will be better. If we were scum partners, like you said, what would’ve the point of saying that? It’s a stupid thing to try to fake and sort of no way anyone would actually believe it. But I’ll be able to tell before the day is out if you are town or not as I assume you will for me. And if we aren’t the same alignment meaning you are scum or I am I’m sure that will show as well.

But I’m gonna stop now before it starts getting deeper into self meta and wifom. I just wanna let you know it’s not what you think or hope it is.

At risk of buddying lemon, this reads scum to me. I agree that "if we're the same alignment" is performantive. This is a classic case of the "that's not why I'm scum." Scum tend to defend vigorously like this when they get caught for what they believe "the wrong reasons."

A reasonable townsperson could comprehend lemon's argument and agree that it looks scummy. Legit town don't feel the need to justify their actions as much.

So far Lemons is my strongest town read as I feel like they are making the most effort to get content out of people.

66 is some decent effort.

UNVOTE: InsidiousLemons
VOTE: Anya
Lemons makes a good point about Anya's change of tack. 29 doesn't look like it was intended as a troll vote.

@T3 - Can you describe the difference in play you're feeling?

how dare you insinuate i would troll i don't condone that behaviour at all and imo trolls deserve to be banned on sight

it was a random vote to produce literature in this barren excuse of a library

As barren as this is, there is at least some content to comment on, and you are always welcome to add your own content.

Anya moves up in my scum list, although there is little content from her to really base this on. She is posting small snippets and complaining about lack of content. Feels a bit like scum trying to sleep without appearing inactive.

[bloodhail]

lol boxxy thinks long posts = town

[boxxy]

Honestly reading Anya and Italiano's posts together I could see them as a scum team.

No intereaction at first between them, always smart to stay distant from your partner.

Then here:

Anyone who doesn’t answer now is anti-town.

And yet you still haven't answered your own questions despite me asking you too. Curious.

do you think that actually makes him a wolf? fascinating.

A pointless attempt to defend, we had already settled why I was still chasing Italiano for answers, as I misread his post. Surely we can all agree it would be fishy to say sure I'll answer my questions, and then never actually answer?

Then we have Italiano defending Anya's sheeping as a town play, settings himself up to sheep anya's vote.

why would i not be interacting as scum

this makes no sense

Scum want to stay under the radar. It's why sheeping is a scum play.

Sheeping is not only a scum play.

As a matter of fact I’m gonna sheep Anya.

VOTE: boxxy

italiano's town on his birthday the world is right and round

I realize this post will likely make me look scummy, attacking the two voting me right now. It's possible I'm being defensive, but with Anya's play so far being unhelpful, and Italiano's "that's not why I'm scum." they both read scum to me.

[boxxy]

lol boxxy thinks long posts = town

I think effort = town. Anybody not putting in effort is making an anti town play regardless of their true alignment. Lack of content and coasting benefits scum. We can't all just sit back and judge others. The whole premise of mafia is "informed minority against uninformed majority." The only way to get informed is with meaningful content.

[bloodhail]

anyas content is more valuable than most of the hot air lemons puts out

effort is not a towntell

[bloodhail]

i can tell this is gonna be a grind

[boxxy]

Speaking of sleeping

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Let's get some content here Clearly_Mafia. Who are your current scum reads?

[boxxy]

anyas content is more valuable than most of the hot air lemons puts out

effort is not a towntell

Honest effort benefits town. Deceptive effort or sleeping benefits scum. I don't think this is advanced play.

[boxxy]

If you disagree, explain why