Mini Normal 2209: Musicals II [Endgame]

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: boxxy

[boxxy]

You're already voting me lol

[boxxy]

Also bloodhail, I should clarify, by "effort" i don't mean "long." One can shit out lots of words without saying much. But look at T3's posts for example:

viewtopic.php?t=86556&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

These are what I would qualify as "low effort." Not much substance, just a lot of "joe reads town," with no analysis, no justification of reads, no pressuring. Such posts are basically fluff and don't help move the game forward at all.

[Dannflor]

Prodding Not_Mafia

[Not_Mafia]

Speaking of sleeping

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Let's get some content here Clearly_Mafia. Who are your current scum reads?

Oh you sweet summer child

VOTE: boxxy

[Anya]

putting boxxy into the town box now seems like an earnest toothbrusher

VOTE: NotMafia

[bloodhail]

Also bloodhail, I should clarify, by "effort" i don't mean "long." One can shit out lots of words without saying much. But look at T3's posts for example:

viewtopic.php?t=86556&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

These are what I would qualify as "low effort." Not much substance, just a lot of "joe reads town," with no analysis, no justification of reads, no pressuring. Such posts are basically fluff and don't help move the game forward at all.

today we learned that posting reads is fluff

[bloodhail]

gonna be a hell of a game i can tell you

[InsidiousLemons]

boxxy can be town. i like what's come out of her recently.

every time i reread 82 i like it a little bit less. anya blatantly dodges the question asked of her and her misunderstanding doesn't feel genuine.

not_mafia: voting someone for voting you for not posting almost at all is not ignorance or inexperience. get posting cow man you have 3 of them

bloodhail: i think you know that 131 is an obvious misrep. posting reads isn't fluff. posting reads without any further justification or pressure

is

fluff, and right now T3 is posting to post. it doesn't feel like he's reading or actively engaging with the game.

italiano: you have

still

yet to explain why your vote is on boxxy. care to enlighten us?

happy with my vote where it is.

[bloodhail]

thats how t3 posts its not a scumtell

[bloodhail]

lemons is such obvious scum jesus

[bloodhail]

cant wait til day 3 they win and everyone is like "but they wrote so many words how could they be scum!!"

[bloodhail]

boxxy can be town. i like what's come out of her recently.

what do you like coming out of him, exactly

[InsidiousLemons]

thats how t3 posts its not a scumtell

i'm not disputing that, i'm attacking your misrepresentation of boxxy's argument, and i said as much? where is my vote right now? not on T3. where has my vote ever been? not on T3. but i just came from a game that was lost in part because of T3's refusal to engage with the game as town, and i'm not about to let him coast on what are objectively low-effort and largely non-game-advancing posts. the fact that you're arguing that he continue to be allowed to play this way is not conducive to a town victory.

[InsidiousLemons]

first question mark should be a period ^

[ChannelDelibird]

I can't tell you how many times now I've gone back and forth on what to think about this post.

CDB what do you think about Lemons or boxxy?

Directly follows me voting for Italiano for being placatory, in which Italiano pointedly does not address said vote. Is that scum trying to get me back on side by making a show of trying to scumhunt me right back, or town who simply has faith that their genuine pursuit of the wincon will shine through before too long anyway?

The ignoring of what I wrote extends to asking me about two players moments after I just stated that I didn't yet have a handle on either of them. I cannot decide whether or not I think that this comes in good faith; I can understand why someone would want me to say more about more players as I don't have much content but, on the other hand, what the fuck were you expecting? I literally just told you that I didn't have a read either way yet. If that's genuine, then I don't have anything to add, and if that's not genuine, then I'm not about to say "oh actually I think X, Y and Z about them", am I?

Absolutely maddening. No idea whether or not to keep my vote here. I've skimmed the rest of the thread but am going over it again for the next few minutes and will see if I want to move it by the end of that.

[ChannelDelibird]

It's kind of a shame that bloodhail essentially ignored the votes entirely.

why would you expect me to react to a no content page 1 bandwagon

Not really a question of whether or not I expected you to react; more 'it would be nice if bloodhail or someone else had reacted to it in an interesting and/or useful way, although it was always possible that nobody would'.

first quote is talking about me in specific doesn't seem to imply you wanted reactions from other people

Fair quibble, but you're always the most likely person to react to a wagon on you. I went into more detail because you prompted me to talk about it more; first quote was more off-hand.

[ChannelDelibird]

I think I'm happy pencilling in boxxy as town for the time being. I don't really agree with a lot of what's happening in 118 but I think the reach to go after a possible scumpair feels like town who really thinks they might be onto something.

Surely we can all agree it would be fishy to say sure I'll answer my questions, and then never actually answer?

Not especially. Given that the questions are relatively spurious and only minimally likely to be genuinely useful to solving this game. The downside of actually answering them is negligible, so scum doesn't really gain anything by very obviously not following through on it.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm not really at all surprised, given my limited recollections of playing with Not_Mafia, but I

am

annoyed that, in a game this small, one player is essentially making themselves unavailable for reading. Always tempting to make that vote but I have no particular confidence that it'd actually get any more out of him.

@Anya

do you actually feel like your vote is doing anything useful?

[ChannelDelibird]

@Lemons

, what's your read on bloodhail at the moment?

[bloodhail]

thats how t3 posts its not a scumtell

i'm not disputing that, i'm attacking your misrepresentation of boxxy's argument, and i said as much? where is my vote right now? not on T3. where has my vote ever been? not on T3. but i just came from a game that was lost in part because of T3's refusal to engage with the game as town, and i'm not about to let him coast on what are objectively low-effort and largely non-game-advancing posts. the fact that you're arguing that he continue to be allowed to play this way is not conducive to a town victory.

nah fuck off, just because you dont like minimalist posting doesnt make it fluff

accusing me of a misrep because i disagreed with boxxy on a single post is pure scumshit

[bloodhail]

I'm not really at all surprised, given my limited recollections of playing with Not_Mafia, but I

am

annoyed that, in a game this small, one player is essentially making themselves unavailable for reading. Always tempting to make that vote but I have no particular confidence that it'd actually get any more out of him.

@Anya

do you actually feel like your vote is doing anything useful?

hes not gonna post anything useful

[T3]

VOTE: boxxy
The NM push looks like a push on LHF. My tris alsovoting boxxy.

[bloodhail]

i said boxxy looks like flipbait

[InsidiousLemons]

that's E-1 for boxxy. gonna read this page shortly but i really don't like this