In post 1448, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If you need reasons, town!max isn't a tunneler, she actually interacts. She posts more. She doesn't call people misguided town.
Scum!max does call people misguided town and her reaction is to buddy in response to pressure (see dwlee). She comments on the night kills. She posts reads lists with little to no reasoning attached. She lurks more.
Scum!max means town!mathblade and last scum is probably salsabil. The last 2 scum having English as a second language explains why Manatee and I were both not killed. That and my solve at end of day 1 pointed to 2 town.
I'm tunneling because I don't have many SRs besides omo. I didn't call anyone in my last towngame misguided town because the push on me there was valid: I was lurking. And in what way did I post more in Screaming? Read that game again, I was silent for most of D1.
Personally I think the misguided townie phrase is one you've adopted when TMIing town that are pushing you. The posts you make in Screaming are more full of content. You interact with many slots, and show thought processes that indicate you're trying to solve the game. Here, you have a few insignificant interactions outside of those that push omo, and those that do push omo are not doing it in the same way that you posted in your towngame.
In post 1452, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Also with Manatee as townlean on a gut read it is evident she isn't reading, and the placement of Salsabil I'd say is questionable at best. Also, I dont ping them as anything??? That seems odd to me. They also have geraintm low on their list which is convenient considering the geraintm-salsabil dynamic and the plausible association with Salsabil
How is it evident I'm not reading? It's literally a vibe read.
Manatee is conftown so if you'd read you would have seen that.
In post 1448, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If you need reasons, town!max isn't a tunneler, she actually interacts. She posts more. She doesn't call people misguided town.
Scum!max does call people misguided town and her reaction is to buddy in response to pressure (see dwlee). She comments on the night kills. She posts reads lists with little to no reasoning attached. She lurks more.
Scum!max means town!mathblade and last scum is probably salsabil. The last 2 scum having English as a second language explains why Manatee and I were both not killed. That and my solve at end of day 1 pointed to 2 town.
I promise to take a look at that game but how exactly is max tunneling this game?
I am shit with scumreads but I am pretty good with town ones and Max is a townread.
Like call it a vibe but I really think she’s town.
I wish I could explain it but I don’t think she is scum.
VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.
VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here
In what way is it a scumclaim? I think I'm keeping the vote then...
In what way isn't it?
The burden of proof is on you, you accused me first.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?
It's scummy because it gets in the way of town's discussion. Especially since RVS is pretty much over.
And answer my question, with how you're dodging people's questions I'm happy to lock my vote onto you.
In post 195, oʍo wrote:Weird bc I've been doing more discussion than you have. Sounds like youre your own obstacle to getting into discussion and you're projecting that onto me
Also what you claim isnt proof that is my intent nor does your analysis look at intent. Happy to dunk you if you keep this up.
What discussion have you been doing until page 10? Most of your posts up to that point were, as I said, question-dodges. What town intent could this possibly have? But honestly it's early and I'm not locking onto you yet. Do better.
Reads:
TOWN BIN
MaxTheFox - I'm town.
Salsabil - good tone and trying to solve the game early = town in my eyes.
TOWN LEAN
Saudade - at first I didn't like their tone but I don't really see scum being likely to be so nonchalant, if that's the right word.
Manatee - gut read. Trust me on this.
Not_Mafia - yes he is a troll but at the same time it looks like he's actually contributing and trying to solve. Unlike the other Miltank avatar in the game...
NULL
Everyone else, expect another list later in day 1 when there is more content.
SCUM LEAN
omo - trolled in an useless way, dodged questions, picked up the slack in the last page which is why I'm not binning them as scum,
DGB (Looker) - another gut read. I'll let DGB post before voting them though.
In post 195, oʍo wrote:Weird bc I've been doing more discussion than you have. Sounds like youre your own obstacle to getting into discussion and you're projecting that onto me
Also what you claim isnt proof that is my intent nor does your analysis look at intent. Happy to dunk you if you keep this up.
What discussion have you been doing until page 10? Most of your posts up to that point were, as I said, question-dodges. What town intent could this possibly have? But honestly it's early and I'm not locking onto you yet. Do better.
Reads:
TOWN BIN
MaxTheFox - I'm town.
Salsabil - good tone and trying to solve the game early = town in my eyes.
TOWN LEAN
Saudade - at first I didn't like their tone but I don't really see scum being likely to be so nonchalant, if that's the right word.
Manatee - gut read. Trust me on this.
Not_Mafia - yes he is a troll but at the same time it looks like he's actually contributing and trying to solve. Unlike the other Miltank avatar in the game...
NULL
Everyone else, expect another list later in day 1 when there is more content.
SCUM LEAN
omo - trolled in an useless way, dodged questions, picked up the slack in the last page which is why I'm not binning them as scum,
DGB (Looker) - another gut read. I'll let DGB post before voting them though.
SCUM BIN
Nobody yet.
Quote the posts you think are best indicative of me being scummy.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?
And just a normal response:
In post 285, oʍo wrote:Getting kinda annoyed at the discreds coming at my slot because I crack jokes/play to unsettle occasionally just bc its unorthodox.
Cracking jokes =/= randomly accusing people. It just looked like scum trying to throw shade at someone early.
In post 464, oʍo wrote:You can't find anyone to have a confident scumread on because you are TMIing i believe and cannot find anything that looks scummy to you becauwe townies are towning and you dont wanna push your scumbuds.
I said I found your random pushing scummy. IMO that's not the way to move the game forward-- it creates false reads on people. The game can move forward naturally, look at other games, in many others of a comparable size RVSS ended earlier because a lead presented itself-- often someone saying something scummy, not because of a false accusation. The game's moving, but if you are town then it's moving in the wrong direction because you are scumread by many. Who are my scumbuds according to you?
In post 464, oʍo wrote:
If this isn't the case it would help if you could outline how you reached some of the conclusions you're tossing out.
I don't feel like "playing to unsettle" is a good play during RVS and in any case it came off as an attempt to miss-lim someone early or start a wagon rather than a genuine town play. That's my main conclusion: your play looked outrageously scum-motivated to me and most of the rest of the day so far was spent defending it.
In post 665, Roden wrote:Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity.
Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.
having trouble with my reads, though that isn't too much of a valid excuse. I have townreads mostly, and "they dont seem scummy enough to vote" reads, but im not really too confident in anything.
In post 665, Roden wrote:All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.
whatchu waiting for? why didnt u vote in this post if ur willing to vote out either of me/max?
Who are your town reads? Who looks scummy but not enough to vote them?
I waited to vote because I wanted to see reactions to my lack of vote. I think your reaction is the most interesting, it reads like you want to "gotcha" me for not voting. But all you're doing is implying it's suspicious. Compare this to Math who made a full scum case out of it.
VOTE: Marcistar
MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 665, Roden wrote:
Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.
I haven't been exactly laying low. Look at my ISO.
I've seen your ISO, a lot of your posts became very safe after your wagon cooled off. It's hard to read your posts and not notice how cautious you've been.
MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 603, Roden wrote:Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.
No he's just an pillion. An pillion with town vibes tho. I can't quite explain it.
Wait he got replaced? I didn't catch up yet. Welcome Math!
I can agree with this.
I am cautious but I'm town. Getting wagoned is not in my best interest as any alignment.
Elimination on omo seems the safest to me at this point. They haven't countered my last response to them (466) at all despite posting after I posted it. They're just oddly detached despite being aggressive if that makes sense.
Also when I SRed her D1 she asked me to explain it and I never really did and she just dropped it.
In post 457, MaxTheFox wrote:BTW last game I played with Dwlee he was scum and was talkative. Now he's quieter. Anyone who knows Dwlee better, is this NAI or no?
So you will meta N_M but not Dwlee? Why is that?
I feel activity is a weaker meta tell than playstyle usually. It's still a point against Dwlee tho.
So arbitrarily she will meta one player but rely on others for Dwlee. Her response is that Dwlee's activity is a point against him, which reads as a scumlean but I think should indicate a townlean considering he was more talkative as scum and is now less talkative. Weird choice of words, but it's ESL so maybe it's nothing.
Yeah I admit I worded it poorly.
In post 1262, MaxTheFox wrote:I stand by my meta-read on Dwlee (town, he was more talkative as scum IIRC) and my general SR on omo.
VOTE: omo
Now she's saying after the scumflip, first thing in the morning, she stands by her meta-townread on dwlee, but is still tunneled on omo.
What's wrong tiwh tunneling the person you think is blatant scum?
I feel like
In post 1266, MaxTheFox wrote:Dwlee is just wrong town I suppose. This is town Dwlee.
@Mod can we get a VC?
This is just a lazy faked read on dwlee and a lazy scum looking for the VC to find where to vote
I wanted a VC because I wanted to see how close people are to hammer.
In post 1321, Titus wrote:On VC1-3 I like Dwelee as scum. Mari and Ssbm as town.
Based on VC 1-3, I find no scum on the Dwlee wagon on count 4.
1-5 Maricstar omo dynamic is interesting. Marci might be a wagon to save owo.
Math or Omo likely scum. Leaning owo.
But yeah. I'm not binning Dwlee as town for this reason.
she seems like she's been pretty confident in dwlee as town all game until a wagon started up on him, pretty interesting.
Not that confident, if I was confident I'd have townbinned him...
There's also several stabs at rolefishing in her relatively short ISO which you'll want to read anyway to get an idea of the other, non-omo interactions she has had.
Show them to us.
You never pushed me again after that.:
That's why it's scummy that you let it go. You only cared to interact with me when I was scumreading you, and when I stopped scumreading you, you stopped caring, even though I never answered your question. If you really thought my push on you was in bad faith, you would still want to follow up with me about it, but you just drop it and go back to tunneling omo.
What's wrong tiwh tunneling the person you think is blatant scum?:
You demonstrated in your towngame that you're not a tunneler as town. Additionally, there is no hard rule that says "tunneling always come from scum", but when tunneling comes from town, it is often easy to see. You look like tunneled scum.
Not that confident, if I was confident I'd have townbinned him...:
Although you didn't place him in the bin in your reads lists, you treat him like he is in your townbin by saying he is a "misguided townie." You imply that despite negative actions that could be seen as scummy that you are sure he is town. To me, this is more indicative of a solid townread than a meta-based townlean.
In post 665, Roden wrote:Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity.
Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.
having trouble with my reads, though that isn't too much of a valid excuse. I have townreads mostly, and "they dont seem scummy enough to vote" reads, but im not really too confident in anything.
In post 665, Roden wrote:All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.
whatchu waiting for? why didnt u vote in this post if ur willing to vote out either of me/max?
Who are your town reads? Who looks scummy but not enough to vote them?
I waited to vote because I wanted to see reactions to my lack of vote. I think your reaction is the most interesting, it reads like you want to "gotcha" me for not voting. But all you're doing is implying it's suspicious. Compare this to Math who made a full scum case out of it.
VOTE: Marcistar
MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 665, Roden wrote:
Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.
I haven't been exactly laying low. Look at my ISO.
I've seen your ISO, a lot of your posts became very safe after your wagon cooled off. It's hard to read your posts and not notice how cautious you've been.
MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 603, Roden wrote:Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.
No he's just an pillion. An pillion with town vibes tho. I can't quite explain it.
Wait he got replaced? I didn't catch up yet. Welcome Math!
I can agree with this.
I am cautious but I'm town. Getting wagoned is not in my best interest as any alignment
.
Elimination on omo seems the safest to me at this point. They haven't countered my last response to them (466) at all despite posting after I posted it. They're just oddly detached despite being aggressive if that makes sense.
But if we NL day 1 then we wouldn't have much info day 2 aside from the NK flip (who will be a townie) and any investigatives that decide to come out. And barring a good vig shot, we have no chance to kill mafia until day 2 in that case.
In post 1422, oʍo wrote:I mean whatever I don't care, they're not good enough as scum to maintain it to endgame so I'm not too pressed about yall not figuring it out and TBH it'll help us in the longterm if they don't get turbo'd because it'll catch their other scumbud easily.
You seem to be assuming I am scum and going from there.
oʍo wrote:it would be a shame if an even night investigative caught them tonight though.
Is this a crumb or what?
Rolefishing. Thought I saw more yesterday but a speedread only reveals this. Maybe they were in Salsabil/Looker/DGB's ISOs.
She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
"No ssbm is not grudging me. She's one of my favorites on the website, and i wanna say vice versa." - Transcend
The day senpai noticed me^
In post 1502, oʍo wrote:Oh yeah i forgot to mention it but @kyouko i didnt ignore the crumb i just didnt notice it..me saying i dont care post claim isnt me saying i saw it.
I just assumed you noticed it because of how obvious it was. I assumed everyone saw it unless I had a reason to think they would have missed it, considering it was in b2b posts. They were addressed at me so I suppose I would have an easier time noticing them though.
She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
"No ssbm is not grudging me. She's one of my favorites on the website, and i wanna say vice versa." - Transcend
The day senpai noticed me^
In post 1448, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If you need reasons, town!max isn't a tunneler, she actually interacts. She posts more. She doesn't call people misguided town.
Scum!max does call people misguided town and her reaction is to buddy in response to pressure (see dwlee). She comments on the night kills. She posts reads lists with little to no reasoning attached. She lurks more.
Scum!max means town!mathblade and last scum is probably salsabil. The last 2 scum having English as a second language explains why Manatee and I were both not killed. That and my solve at end of day 1 pointed to 2 town.
I'm tunneling because I don't have many SRs besides omo. I didn't call anyone in my last towngame misguided town because the push on me there was valid: I was lurking. And in what way did I post more in Screaming? Read that game again, I was silent for most of D1.
Personally I think the misguided townie phrase is one you've adopted when TMIing town that are pushing you.
No it's a personal catchphrase/verbal tic of mine, I used it before I started playing forum mafia (I come from TOS/chat mafia).
The posts you make in Screaming are more full of content.
Yes but there were fewer posts because I didn't have much time.
You interact with many slots, and show thought processes that indicate you're trying to solve the game.
Well even here I respond to many people even if they aren't talking to me, just right now I'm busy defending myself which is more important.
Here, you have a few insignificant interactions outside of those that push omo, and those that do push omo are not doing it in the same way that you posted in your towngame.
In post 1452, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Also with Manatee as townlean on a gut read it is evident she isn't reading, and the placement of Salsabil I'd say is questionable at best. Also, I dont ping them as anything??? That seems odd to me. They also have geraintm low on their list which is convenient considering the geraintm-salsabil dynamic and the plausible association with Salsabil
How is it evident I'm not reading? It's literally a vibe read.
Manatee is conftown so if you'd read you would have seen that.
In post 1448, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If you need reasons, town!max isn't a tunneler, she actually interacts. She posts more. She doesn't call people misguided town.
Scum!max does call people misguided town and her reaction is to buddy in response to pressure (see dwlee). She comments on the night kills. She posts reads lists with little to no reasoning attached. She lurks more.
Scum!max means town!mathblade and last scum is probably salsabil. The last 2 scum having English as a second language explains why Manatee and I were both not killed. That and my solve at end of day 1 pointed to 2 town.
I promise to take a look at that game but how exactly is max tunneling this game?
I am shit with scumreads but I am pretty good with town ones and Max is a townread.
Like call it a vibe but I really think she’s town.
I wish I could explain it but I don’t think she is scum.
VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.
VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here
In what way is it a scumclaim? I think I'm keeping the vote then...
In what way isn't it?
The burden of proof is on you, you accused me first.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?
It's scummy because it gets in the way of town's discussion. Especially since RVS is pretty much over.
And answer my question, with how you're dodging people's questions I'm happy to lock my vote onto you.
In post 195, oʍo wrote:Weird bc I've been doing more discussion than you have. Sounds like youre your own obstacle to getting into discussion and you're projecting that onto me
Also what you claim isnt proof that is my intent nor does your analysis look at intent. Happy to dunk you if you keep this up.
What discussion have you been doing until page 10? Most of your posts up to that point were, as I said, question-dodges. What town intent could this possibly have? But honestly it's early and I'm not locking onto you yet. Do better.
Reads:
TOWN BIN
MaxTheFox - I'm town.
Salsabil - good tone and trying to solve the game early = town in my eyes.
TOWN LEAN
Saudade - at first I didn't like their tone but I don't really see scum being likely to be so nonchalant, if that's the right word.
Manatee - gut read. Trust me on this.
Not_Mafia - yes he is a troll but at the same time it looks like he's actually contributing and trying to solve. Unlike the other Miltank avatar in the game...
NULL
Everyone else, expect another list later in day 1 when there is more content.
SCUM LEAN
omo - trolled in an useless way, dodged questions, picked up the slack in the last page which is why I'm not binning them as scum,
DGB (Looker) - another gut read. I'll let DGB post before voting them though.
In post 195, oʍo wrote:Weird bc I've been doing more discussion than you have. Sounds like youre your own obstacle to getting into discussion and you're projecting that onto me
Also what you claim isnt proof that is my intent nor does your analysis look at intent. Happy to dunk you if you keep this up.
What discussion have you been doing until page 10? Most of your posts up to that point were, as I said, question-dodges. What town intent could this possibly have? But honestly it's early and I'm not locking onto you yet. Do better.
Reads:
TOWN BIN
MaxTheFox - I'm town.
Salsabil - good tone and trying to solve the game early = town in my eyes.
TOWN LEAN
Saudade - at first I didn't like their tone but I don't really see scum being likely to be so nonchalant, if that's the right word.
Manatee - gut read. Trust me on this.
Not_Mafia - yes he is a troll but at the same time it looks like he's actually contributing and trying to solve. Unlike the other Miltank avatar in the game...
NULL
Everyone else, expect another list later in day 1 when there is more content.
SCUM LEAN
omo - trolled in an useless way, dodged questions, picked up the slack in the last page which is why I'm not binning them as scum,
DGB (Looker) - another gut read. I'll let DGB post before voting them though.
SCUM BIN
Nobody yet.
Quote the posts you think are best indicative of me being scummy.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?
And just a normal response:
In post 285, oʍo wrote:Getting kinda annoyed at the discreds coming at my slot because I crack jokes/play to unsettle occasionally just bc its unorthodox.
Cracking jokes =/= randomly accusing people. It just looked like scum trying to throw shade at someone early.
In post 464, oʍo wrote:You can't find anyone to have a confident scumread on because you are TMIing i believe and cannot find anything that looks scummy to you becauwe townies are towning and you dont wanna push your scumbuds.
I said I found your random pushing scummy. IMO that's not the way to move the game forward-- it creates false reads on people. The game can move forward naturally, look at other games, in many others of a comparable size RVSS ended earlier because a lead presented itself-- often someone saying something scummy, not because of a false accusation. The game's moving, but if you are town then it's moving in the wrong direction because you are scumread by many. Who are my scumbuds according to you?
In post 464, oʍo wrote:
If this isn't the case it would help if you could outline how you reached some of the conclusions you're tossing out.
I don't feel like "playing to unsettle" is a good play during RVS and in any case it came off as an attempt to miss-lim someone early or start a wagon rather than a genuine town play. That's my main conclusion: your play looked outrageously scum-motivated to me and most of the rest of the day so far was spent defending it.
In post 665, Roden wrote:Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity.
Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.
having trouble with my reads, though that isn't too much of a valid excuse. I have townreads mostly, and "they dont seem scummy enough to vote" reads, but im not really too confident in anything.
In post 665, Roden wrote:All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.
whatchu waiting for? why didnt u vote in this post if ur willing to vote out either of me/max?
Who are your town reads? Who looks scummy but not enough to vote them?
I waited to vote because I wanted to see reactions to my lack of vote. I think your reaction is the most interesting, it reads like you want to "gotcha" me for not voting. But all you're doing is implying it's suspicious. Compare this to Math who made a full scum case out of it.
VOTE: Marcistar
MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 665, Roden wrote:
Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.
I haven't been exactly laying low. Look at my ISO.
I've seen your ISO, a lot of your posts became very safe after your wagon cooled off. It's hard to read your posts and not notice how cautious you've been.
MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 603, Roden wrote:Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.
No he's just an pillion. An pillion with town vibes tho. I can't quite explain it.
Wait he got replaced? I didn't catch up yet. Welcome Math!
I can agree with this.
I am cautious but I'm town. Getting wagoned is not in my best interest as any alignment.
Elimination on omo seems the safest to me at this point. They haven't countered my last response to them (466) at all despite posting after I posted it. They're just oddly detached despite being aggressive if that makes sense.
Also when I SRed her D1 she asked me to explain it and I never really did and she just dropped it.
In post 457, MaxTheFox wrote:BTW last game I played with Dwlee he was scum and was talkative. Now he's quieter. Anyone who knows Dwlee better, is this NAI or no?
So you will meta N_M but not Dwlee? Why is that?
I feel activity is a weaker meta tell than playstyle usually. It's still a point against Dwlee tho.
So arbitrarily she will meta one player but rely on others for Dwlee. Her response is that Dwlee's activity is a point against him, which reads as a scumlean but I think should indicate a townlean considering he was more talkative as scum and is now less talkative. Weird choice of words, but it's ESL so maybe it's nothing.
Yeah I admit I worded it poorly.
In post 1262, MaxTheFox wrote:I stand by my meta-read on Dwlee (town, he was more talkative as scum IIRC) and my general SR on omo.
VOTE: omo
Now she's saying after the scumflip, first thing in the morning, she stands by her meta-townread on dwlee, but is still tunneled on omo.
What's wrong tiwh tunneling the person you think is blatant scum?
I feel like
In post 1266, MaxTheFox wrote:Dwlee is just wrong town I suppose. This is town Dwlee.
@Mod can we get a VC?
This is just a lazy faked read on dwlee and a lazy scum looking for the VC to find where to vote
I wanted a VC because I wanted to see how close people are to hammer.
In post 1321, Titus wrote:On VC1-3 I like Dwelee as scum. Mari and Ssbm as town.
Based on VC 1-3, I find no scum on the Dwlee wagon on count 4.
1-5 Maricstar omo dynamic is interesting. Marci might be a wagon to save owo.
Math or Omo likely scum. Leaning owo.
But yeah. I'm not binning Dwlee as town for this reason.
she seems like she's been pretty confident in dwlee as town all game until a wagon started up on him, pretty interesting.
Not that confident, if I was confident I'd have townbinned him...
There's also several stabs at rolefishing in her relatively short ISO which you'll want to read anyway to get an idea of the other, non-omo interactions she has had.
Show them to us.
You never pushed me again after that.:
That's why it's scummy that you let it go. You only cared to interact with me when I was scumreading you, and when I stopped scumreading you, you stopped caring, even though I never answered your question. If you really thought my push on you was in bad faith, you would still want to follow up with me about it, but you just drop it and go back to tunneling omo.
I thought that you were either just a wrong townie who made a bad push, or a mafioso who tried to shade and couldn't answer my question. I decided to not risk it. Anyways, if you are town, why didn't you answer my question then?
What's wrong tiwh tunneling the person you think is blatant scum?:
You demonstrated in your towngame that you're not a tunneler as town. Additionally, there is no hard rule that says "tunneling always come from scum", but when tunneling comes from town, it is often easy to see. You look like tunneled scum.
I wasn't tunneling then because, IIRC, I had several equal scumreads. And explain the difference between scum and town tunneling.
Not that confident, if I was confident I'd have townbinned him...:
Although you didn't place him in the bin in your reads lists, you treat him like he is in your townbin by saying he is a "misguided townie." You imply that despite negative actions that could be seen as scummy that you are sure he is town. To me, this is more indicative of a solid townread than a meta-based townlean.
The "likely" is implied in all accusations of misguided townishness. Of course they could be scum, saying otherwise every time I say someone is one is TMI.
In post 665, Roden wrote:Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity.
Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.
having trouble with my reads, though that isn't too much of a valid excuse. I have townreads mostly, and "they dont seem scummy enough to vote" reads, but im not really too confident in anything.
In post 665, Roden wrote:All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.
whatchu waiting for? why didnt u vote in this post if ur willing to vote out either of me/max?
Who are your town reads? Who looks scummy but not enough to vote them?
I waited to vote because I wanted to see reactions to my lack of vote. I think your reaction is the most interesting, it reads like you want to "gotcha" me for not voting. But all you're doing is implying it's suspicious. Compare this to Math who made a full scum case out of it.
VOTE: Marcistar
MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 665, Roden wrote:
Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.
I haven't been exactly laying low. Look at my ISO.
I've seen your ISO, a lot of your posts became very safe after your wagon cooled off. It's hard to read your posts and not notice how cautious you've been.
MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 603, Roden wrote:Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.
No he's just an pillion. An pillion with town vibes tho. I can't quite explain it.
Wait he got replaced? I didn't catch up yet. Welcome Math!
I can agree with this.
I am cautious but I'm town. Getting wagoned is not in my best interest as any alignment
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Elimination on omo seems the safest to me at this point. They haven't countered my last response to them (466) at all despite posting after I posted it. They're just oddly detached despite being aggressive if that makes sense.
Possible PR Soft
Well I didn't intend this, and I'm not a PR anyways.
But if we NL day 1 then we wouldn't have much info day 2 aside from the NK flip (who will be a townie) and any investigatives that decide to come out. And barring a good vig shot, we have no chance to kill mafia until day 2 in that case.
Rolefishing.
If I didn't put the bit about investigatives it wouldn't be a correct statement.
In post 1422, oʍo wrote:I mean whatever I don't care, they're not good enough as scum to maintain it to endgame so I'm not too pressed about yall not figuring it out and TBH it'll help us in the longterm if they don't get turbo'd because it'll catch their other scumbud easily.
You seem to be assuming I am scum and going from there.
oʍo wrote:it would be a shame if an even night investigative caught them tonight though.
Is this a crumb or what?
Rolefishing. Thought I saw more yesterday but a speedread only reveals this. Maybe they were in Salsabil/Looker/DGB's ISOs.
Well in this case they have a target on their back with that "crumb" anyways so i don't see why this is scummy.
Woke up late and there’s a lot of posts. Will have to catch up during lunch and today is civ day.
If someone has questions for me please do something like “@MathBlade” in bold or something or I am scared I might miss it.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Titus died in the night. She was a Town Babysitter.
omo died in the night. They were a Vanilla Townie.
geraintm is publicly confirmed by the moderator to be town.
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And got your message Manatee. You’re still a friendly neighbor.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
1. Not_Mafia*
2. MathBlade who replaced Saudade
5. geraintm —> Conf town
7. Dwlee99
10. ssbm_Kyouko
11. ManateeDude —> Conf Town
12. Salsabil Faria
13. marcistar
Alive list for those who need it.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Tomorrow is presumably MELO if we execute town again. With FN and IC to self-confirm and no scum PRs flipped I think we can assume we're not going to get any investigative results tomorrow either. I'm going to update my colored VCs with what little data we have from yesterday, but with 2 flips and an IC things could be a lot more telling now than they were yesterday.
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In post 1520, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Tomorrow is presumably MELO if we execute town again. With FN and IC to self-confirm and no scum PRs flipped I think we can assume we're not going to get any investigative results tomorrow either. I'm going to update my colored VCs with what little data we have from yesterday, but with 2 flips and an IC things could be a lot more telling now than they were yesterday.
Agreed.
Realistically if we assume a mis elimination then one of Manatee/gerantim probably dies.
Then if tomorrow we no elim the other probably dies.
So I think we just sort of have like a double elo situation here.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
, fixing VC.
) debate round at deadline I will start day early.