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[ProfessorDrapion]

I just found how he posted Townie

[KittyTacky]

There is no analysis there. “I’m sheeping” “that makes sense here I’ll paraphrase it” “here’s a random statement based on nothing” “oh kid look”

On what planet is sheeping scummy. I didn't have much to add. Indeed there's no analysis because I agreed with someone else's analysis.

It’s not the sheeping that’s scummy, it’s the act of posting literally nothing that will jostle the game state. Trying not to make waves.

I was asked to explain my vote. I posted my explanation. If I had posted something more elaborate, I would have been lying, since there was really no deeper reasoning than sheeping the case of someone who is now confirmed town. And I don't lie as town.

This is misrep.

[KittyTacky]

Porkens might be scum with Galron, trying to chainsaw defense.

[MalcolmTucker]

Kitty's sheeping feels kinda townie to me despite my uncertainty on the slot. While it can vary I feel like players are sometimes more willing to openly sheep as town; it can sometimes look lazy and scum typically don't want to seem lazy.

[MalcolmTucker]

Porkens - do you plan to vote Kitty and is it a slot you'd like to see eliminated? I feel you're applying a bit of pressure here but not necessarily doing much with it. Do you think Kitty is scummy beyond the vote sheeping? I ask because I have a slight fear this could be some scum theatre between the two of you.

[Galron]

I'm sorry I"m just not feeling like this right now but it did occur to me that kitty's lack of reassessment or I guess unwillingness to look anywhere else is anti-town. They suss Porkens as being a partner of mine but their read on me is a sheep read. There is no independent thought there. They're basing the entire game on me being scum as suspected by someone else. There is no thought of who could be scum outside of a scum!galron world.

That being said they say they hyperfocus on things and that it's nai. I've played just one game with kitty and they were scum reading me throughout that game, although it didn't seem as intense, and I was town there too. So I'm really on the fence as to whter this is scummy or just anti-town.

[Galron]

kitty do you have any stratification to your reads?

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

I'm losing interest in everything!

@Salsa, why exactly did you change your read on geraintm from scum to town?

At first, I thought they were using the WIFOM strategy but the more I read their &

Malcolm

's conversation, I find both of them more towny.

Also imo, for scum!

geraintm

, killing

Crescent

will be a risky move, on top of that, using WIFOM for winning on a later day will be way riskier. On the other hand, killing

Crescent

to frame town!

geraintm

seems very plausible.

IMO this weird overreaction is scummy. Still, I'd rather Galron.

+1

Solid town: Empty Well, Salsa for now, mostly because I can't imagine a plausible scumteam including her rn. Once we get a flip I'll start throwing people in this bin again.
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Town to null:
Drap Malcolm
Kitty Ger
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Null to scum:
Porkens NJAC Galron
-
Solid scum: Nobody right now! My duty to you is to change that!!!

I wanted to engage with Porkens more and I guess I just want them to be town but I will make an attempt to be more objective going forward

Porkens NJAC feels like a pretty plausible team. +++ from Pork ISO, ++- from NJAC ISO, just from a skim. ScumNJAC could likely force the early D1 interactions with Pork and it would make more sense as to why they were hand-holdy instead of confrontational in response to pork spewing about his bad reads, they could have wanted to farm engagement with their partner to point to it later down the line. More importantly Porkens has zero opinion on NJAC as far as I can see and has them in null as of yesterday, which is the standard spot to put your buddy for more inexperienced scum.

Porkens Galron from Pork's POV is plausible but not much sticking out. They expressed a lean scum on each other and have little engagement otherwise, I can see it. ++-, ++- both ends.

NJAC Galron neutral from Galron's side, slightly unlikely from NJAC's side, they have had a lot more engagement since NJAC voted Gal and pursues that thread frequently.

I have some other pet theories involving combinations in my nulltown pile that I will snuggle up nice and tight to my chest for now.

I want to respond to Salsa's post when I have time cuz something stuck out to me and I can't put it into words rn

I'm here now...

Btw,

@Porkens

, in which post

geraintm

soft claimed?

His first post

geraintm

's 1st post of D1 >>

'Ello 'ello 'ello.....

God this game took ages to start, i was observing the Queue for ages waiting.

i think i recognise most of the people's names. i would suggest (from past experience) that if there is a cop type role in the game that Crescent gets checked night 1, they cannot be allowed as scum to get too far into the game.

I'll check in during the day, as I can. Just expect more from me at night!

Vampire confirmed, gotcha

Anyways, here we have gone from the 2nd to a 3rd

geraintm

's 1st post of D2 >>

well, that is going to make things tougher.

So, what soft-claim

@Porkens

?

Btw,

@Porkens

, in which post

geraintm

soft claimed?

im curious about this too. what tells do i have.

yesterday's posts about me feel very different, mainly because the people writing them havent done it from the point of view that i am scum. you get very different answers if you come at me from a different point of view.

i have this fear that this might be now setting me up to live because they think i might want to go after malcolm. i was first set up via crescent, and now other things? i dunno, maybe, getting paranoid now

Does the 2nd paragraph refer to me? I just stated in this very post why my read changed about you.

And about

Malcolm

, I really think you should reconsider there. By considering the way they're playing, do you think scum!them will go against you (by setting you up with the nk) this boldly? Won't be a rookie mistake for scum!them?

Okay, now that we are talking about softclaims, I didn't want to bring much attention to this, but I think it's better to clarify this soon: my main reason to unvote Galron on D1 was his softclaim.

@Professor. Was that softclaim your reason to ignore my question twice?

Galron

made a soft-claim too??

Great, I'm gonna claim next

Upon re-reading their ISO, I didn't find the soft claim btw... how sure you are?

Porkens - do you plan to vote Kitty and is it a slot you'd like to see eliminated? I feel you're applying a bit of pressure here but not necessarily doing much with it. Do you think Kitty is scummy beyond the vote sheeping? I ask because I have a slight fear this could be some scum theatre between the two of you.

Didn't feel like scum-theatre... I believe they're TvS.

[MalcolmTucker]

I'm sorry I"m just not feeling like this right now but it did occur to me that kitty's lack of reassessment or I guess unwillingness to look anywhere else is anti-town. They suss Porkens as being a partner of mine but their read on me is a sheep read. There is no independent thought there. They're basing the entire game on me being scum as suspected by someone else. There is no thought of who could be scum outside of a scum!galron world.

That being said they say they hyperfocus on things and that it's nai. I've played just one game with kitty and they were scum reading me throughout that game, although it didn't seem as intense, and I was town there too. So I'm really on the fence as to whter this is scummy or just anti-town.

Their read on you definitely does feel lazy but it almost feels too lazy to be scummy if that makes sense - I feel like scum would want to perhaps make it less obvious they're sheeping and would at least keep another avenue open elsewhere on the off-chance you claim or something like that.

[MalcolmTucker]

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

[MalcolmTucker]

I'm still willing to compile everyone's town/scum lists by the way. Think I only have two thus far.

[MalcolmTucker]

On Galron, I dunno, I'm split. There's not too much effort from the slot just now and I can see the idea they're just lurking around and not doing much in the hope they'll avoid attention. But I've not found their actions during the game particularly scummy.

Kitty points out Galron isn't usually this low effort as town but I feel like I definitely have seen them coast a bit as town before.

And it concerns me that Kitty reads - beyond being sheeped - feel like they are all just primarily depending on meta. Galron is scum because they're posting too little; Ger is town because they always play this way. It's a useful way for scum to seem like they have opinions without having an actual view or opinion on the gamestate as it is. My stance on meta is it's useful but has limitations and I think it can look scummy when players use meta to hide behind a read.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

I know..... I'm going with my gut feeling on this.... I can't read

geraintm

tbh...

Btw, do you notice 1073?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Is my role super important?
Backup Doctor?
I’m also just a 1-Shot.

I can die tonight right so I don’t have to fight for my life during LYLO and have people criticize me cause they can’t realize I’m town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: ProfessorDrapion

I’m losing WiM for this game tbh.

[MalcolmTucker]

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

I know..... I'm going with my gut feeling on this.... I can't read

geraintm

tbh...

Btw, do you notice 1073?

I didn't notice a soft-claim but I am horrendous at spotting or dishing out crumbs.

[MalcolmTucker]

VOTE: ProfessorDrapion

I’m losing WiM for this game tbh.

We're not voting for you, your role may not be important but I doubt you're scum here.

[Porkens]

Yeah I’d vote kitty. Drapion is being silly now.

[Porkens]

Malcom has a definite manipulative scum vibe though.

[geraintm]

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

So, your thinking is, let me get this straight....for me to suggest that people check out Crescent, and then immediately night one either scum me or one of my partners go round their house. And risk someone else be there and spot us?

That is what you think my plan one. Days before Crescent suspect me, I was already setting them up to kill because I knew that it wouldn't come back on me because I knew from my first post that later kn Crescent was going to think me scum?

[geraintm]

VOTE: ProfessorDrapion

I’m losing WiM for this game tbh.

Pull yourself together

[geraintm]

@salsa

I have denied there is a soft claim.
Digging now into what they thought my claim was is not going to be helpful to town.

[geraintm]

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

I know..... I'm going with my gut feeling on this.... I can't read

geraintm

tbh...

Btw, do you notice 1073?

I didn't notice a soft-claim but I am horrendous at spotting or dishing out crumbs.

There was no soft claim for you to notice

[Shiidaji]

I am around to talk if anyone wants to pull up a chair my reads haven't changed much in the last page or two. Let's start talking consensus.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I am around to talk if anyone wants to pull up a chair my reads haven't changed much in the last page or two. Let's start talking consensus.

Give me Pros and Cons to every player.