Mini 1997: The Clownspiracy (Game Over!)

[Kiana Kaslana]

If my other pet theory that I have caught scum correctly and the remaining scum is purely chainsaw defending (which means to say, they are hard attacking me to discredit my pushes) is correct, perhaps I was wrong about it being Gamma Emerald. Hiraki is performing the same thing, perhaps more egregiously, but I have only been giving him a free pass thanks to brassherald's townpoints.

Those townpoints are quickly being spent.

[Beefster]

Beefster ICYMI I'd like you to be more specific on your judgments in 691.

It looks like a Wh4t is backing out of his previous vote by misdirecting attention to a new wagon and making it look like sheeping.

[Kiana Kaslana]

StefanB are you still scumreading me? If not you should move your vote away. I'm at L-2 again I think.

[Mathdino]

Vote Count 1-11

What's the difference between the government and the mafia?
...one of them is organized.

Archwing (3, L-4)

: Kokichi Oma, Kiana Kaslana, Kaito Momota

Kiana Kaslana (5, L-2)

: StefanB, Archwing, Hiraki, Raskolnikov, Cedrick

Wh4t (1, L-6)

: Beefster

Hiraki (4, L-3)

: BuJaber, Maki Harukawa, Wh4t, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (0)

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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-03-29 14:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- None!

[Kokichi Oma]

I don't get the hiraki votes

[BuJaber]

Not to mention he called me town yesterday. Can't think he's scum after that awful play.

First of all when you post something scummy I can change my read.

Secondly I only said I'm having difficult reading you. I was TRing you on gut only but having conflicting thoughts. Your predecessor I had as null. So this is just a lie or you're not bothering to read properly.

[Kaito Momota]

Honestly I don't think Dunn is scum but I have next to no meta to go off. The reactions to his wagon are interesting.

What reactions?

[StefanB]

My pet theory is that I am not getting lynched even though I am a scum-led wagon, for this sole reason: scum are already on my wagon, and thus have no more members to add further to my wagon to fulfill a lynch.

Now, this makes the current Hiraki wagon rather concerning because it implies that it is a town-led wagon.

Which leads me to wonder if I was giving my brass townread a bit too freely and easily, because truth be told I have not been impressed by Hiraki's posts at all.

If I wasn't still scumreading you, that would be easier.
Now waggonanalysistheory: From my experience it is rare that scum is completly on a waggon, if they can avoid it, exspecially on day 1, with daytalk and 3 members.
Now town-led waggons without scum on it, are not rare, depends on the personality of the scumplayer. Unfortunatly that is no prove that it isn't on town.

Theory end.

About the Hirakiwaggon. It is difficult to read for me. I have not that much of read of Hiraki on one direction or another. I devoloped a slight townread on Brass early on and didn't really have him that much on the raddar. My problem is that I is a case were the reasons are more meta/gutfellings. Good for those who have them, but for me difficult to access if right or wrong.

My other problem is BuJaber: I will make a case later that day, why but without Kiana, I probably would have moved my vote here some time ago.

[Hiraki]

Phone posting, no quotes:

841: You're not understanding me but I admit that post wasn't the best phrasing. I don't need to sort out my current scumreads. I've been doing that. Bu wasn't scum before he started to just outright justify his reasons for not voting Arch as voting me.

846:

I am not scumreading Maki or Gamma. I toyed with Wh4T scum but I think bad play is more likely.

I haven't changed my vote by now because you're still the leading wagon of my scimreads (this may have changed with Gamma's vote?). Don't think I've been anything but clear about how that works. You don't vote a scumread that has no votes like Bu did unless you don't want another scumread who is actually scum to die.

Who haven't I responded to? If there's no one, please stop assuming. There are way too many assumptions in this post.

847: Wow.

848: I'm not scumreading you for the system. I think your posts are scummy as other people have mentioned.

855: Sure, except you called me scummy for conjecture I plainly did not do and you still haven't responded to that point.

Let's be clear here. You said I was going to borrow someone else's opinion to buy credit. I didn't do that. Why am I scummy now?

[Gamma Emerald]

If my other pet theory that I have caught scum correctly and the remaining scum is purely chainsaw defending (which means to say, they are hard attacking me to discredit my pushes) is correct, perhaps I was wrong about it being Gamma Emerald. Hiraki is performing the same thing, perhaps more egregiously, but I have only been giving him a free pass thanks to brassherald's townpoints.

Those townpoints are quickly being spent.

What's striking me about Hiraki is I think he also criticized your system but he's also doing the "anyone who disagrees is scum" thing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually not that thing but the "I don't need to rework my reads" thing I'd felt you were doing
stil feel like he's being a hypocrite

[BuJaber]

Phone posting, no quotes:
You don't vote a scumread that has no votes like Bu did unless you don't want another scumread who is actually scum to die.


Let's be clear here. You said I was going to borrow someone else's opinion to buy credit. I didn't do that. Why am I scummy now?

First sentence: do you actually believe that or are you saying this because you're scum and want a reason to vote me? If yes then after the game is done let's start a mafia discussion thread about it because this is just wrong. There are plenty of reasons especially when deadline is still not that close. One of those reasons is getting a stronger scumread on someone else that makes them a better lynch.


As to your question of course you didn't because I posted before anyone else answered you!!!! I was explaining what I meant with the "copying from your neighbours" line. I called you out on your post before anyone answered for you. You said you can give 8 lines of reasons why I'm scum. You still haven't provided them. But you claim you aren't looking for support on your case? Come on man. That post of yours was super scummy and if you're town you should never ever do it again.

[BuJaber]

'That post' meaning post 788.

[Hiraki]

I've never criticized the system. Honestly couldn't care about the system. Her reads mean nothing to me. I even said that the argument over it was stupid. I also still have not called people who disagree with me scum? Why are you just straight up lying about me here, Gamma?

Would like to not be on a phone to respond to Bu's post.

[Cedrick]

What's striking me about Hiraki is I think he also criticized your system but he's also doing the "anyone who disagrees is scum" thing.

Why is 6 afraid of 7? Because 7 8 9.

And that’s scummy why? If anything that’s townie.

In Hiraki vs bu I’m leaning town on hiraki. Which means hiraki is probably scum :/

[Kiana Kaslana]

848: I'm not scumreading you for the system. I think your posts are scummy as other people have mentioned.

Where have I accused you of scumreading me for the system? I have only accused you (and others) of scumreading me for nonsensical reasons, which is still true, by the way.

This is also strange when placed together with this:

You said I was going to borrow someone else's opinion

You are 100% borrowing other's opinion when you only "agree" with what "other people" have mentioned that I am "scummy". Unfortunately I am reading those "other people" as scum, so are you content with copying the opinions of scum or are you part of them trying to get a mislynch.

Brassherald had townpoints but you are racking up so much scumpoints debt here.

[Kiana Kaslana]

Actually not that thing but the "I don't need to rework my reads" thing I'd felt you were doing
stil feel like he's being a hypocrite

Can you please show everyone where you see this in Hiraki's posts so that we all can verify. Successful verification of scummy behavior from Hiraki means that his townpoints will be taken away and sent to your credit.

[Kiana Kaslana]

Someone ask Hiraki to explain his reads properly including his scumread on me which he admittedly copied the answers from "other people" so that he has no more excuse for it.

[Cedrick]

You are 100% borrowing other's opinion when you only "agree" with what "other people" have mentioned that I am "scummy". Unfortunately I am reading those "other people" as scum, so are you content with copying the opinions of scum or are you part of them trying to get a mislynch.

Correct punctuation: the difference between a sentence that's well-written and a sentence that's, well, written.


do you find borrowing other's opinions scummy?

[Kiana Kaslana]

You are 100% borrowing other's opinion when you only "agree" with what "other people" have mentioned that I am "scummy". Unfortunately I am reading those "other people" as scum, so are you content with copying the opinions of scum or are you part of them trying to get a mislynch.

Correct punctuation: the difference between a sentence that's well-written and a sentence that's, well, written.


do you find borrowing other's opinions scummy?

It depends on whose opinions are being borrowed, how it is being borrowed and for what purpose it's being borrowed. It can be townie or scummy so there is no fixed answer.

But that is not my point. My point is that Hiraki is playing pedantic by refuting Bujaber on one end, saying that he hasn't been borrowing opinions, but in actuality he admits doing so in the same post. Implicitly Hiraki agrees that borrowing opinions is scummy since he didn't attack the argument outright, instead he asks for proof. But the proof is in the same post.

[Kiana Kaslana]

The funny thing here is that Hiraki implicitly agrees that borrowing opinions is scummy. He wants Bu to substantiate his argument by asking Bu to prove where he did it.

Since Hiraki thinks borrowing opinions is scummy, and Hiraki is borrowing opinions... what does that make him then?

[Hiraki]

Ok but where did I borrow an opinion on my Bucket scumread. I've asked this question numerous times and all I've gotten was silence and then you just accuse me again.

Furthermore, where did I say that borrowing opinions is scummy? I referenced it in the sake of someone calling me scummy for doing that but I never commented on the action itself.

If you're going to address me from here on out, please quote me so you don't misquote me without quoting me.

[Hiraki]

Actually fuck, that won't even work because you quoted 858 and completely got the wrong message from it. Nowhere in there did I say anything to the effect of "borrowing points is scummy" - I only asked where I did that.

[Kiana Kaslana]

Ok but where did I borrow an opinion on my Bucket scumread. I've asked this question numerous times and all I've gotten was silence and then you just accuse me again.

Furthermore, where did I say that borrowing opinions is scummy? I referenced it in the sake of someone calling me scummy for doing that but I never commented on the action itself.

If you're going to address me from here on out, please quote me so you don't misquote me without quoting me.

I've actually quoted you. Is that my fault?

[Kiana Kaslana]

Actually fuck, that won't even work because you quoted 858 and completely got the wrong message from it. Nowhere in there did I say anything to the effect of "borrowing points is scummy" - I only asked where I did that.

Okay, great. So you agree that you are borrowing points. But you said that you did not do that in post 858. You know what, let me quote it, so you don't get to deny it again.

You said I was going to borrow someone else's opinion to buy credit. I didn't do that.

So, you are lying. Is lying scummy? Let's find out.

VOTE: Hiraki

You are arguing over minutiae right now only to nitpick and discredit the legitimate scumreads on you. But when your defense is proven false you look so much the worse.