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Post Post #375  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:59 pm

Spare Votecount 1.5Nachomamma8 -
Elements ------ (1) Rakan
chennisden ---- (2) Chemist1422, mastina
mastina -------- (1) Ginngie
Ginngie -
Xayah -
Oversoul ------
Rakan ---------- (2)Wisdom, Nymph
Wisdom -------- (2)Elements, Nachomamma8
Chemist1422 - (2) chennisden, Oversoul
Nymph -

Not sparing: - (1) Xayah


Fight Votecount 1.5Nachomamma8 -
Elements -----(2) Oversoul, Chemist1422
chennisden ---(1) Elements
mastina -
Ginngie -------(1) Nymph
Xayah -
Oversoul ---- (3) Rakan, Xayah, Ginngie
Rakan -
Wisdom -
Chemist1422 -
Nymph -

Not Fighting: - (4) Nachomamma8, chennisden, mastina, Wisdom


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3>3>3>3>3>3>3>


Ginngie is partial to either a snowball fight or foursquare. He points out that if Snowdin had more leadership they would be playing something already. He doesn't seem to mind though.

With eleven alive, it takes six votes on one option to make a decision

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Post Post #376  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:00 pm

Hi grab im dad

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Post Post #377  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:10 pm

In post 351, Chemist1422 wrote:I'm pretty comfortable with both of my votes so far tbh

Sell me on them! Do you think what I posted wrt their argument was wrong?
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Post Post #378  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:20 pm

In post 348, Nachomamma8 wrote:In the meantime, Chennis and Elements both seem like they're grating each other but I don't think either are significantly likelier to be scum as a result. The meat of chennis's push seems to be "he's asking questions in the same way as last game" and the meat of Elements's push seems to be "he wouldn't be fucking up this bad if he were town".

To Chennis, I think that you might be conflating "playstyle" with "meta-relevant scumposting". As scum, Elements is probably going to try to mimic his normal playstyle (as most people do) and dig at angles that they believe they will take as town. You might not like his questions here (and you might have disliked his questions in his scum game), but why is it out of the question for him to ask questions that you dislike as town?

To Elements, I think that people overestimate how well others can read them, and playing with someone frequently doesn't necessarily mean that you're able to read them instantly. We are also hyper-aware of what makes us town or scum, but that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone else is going to pick up on it. And chennis, after you stomped him in the last game, is likely to be HYPERVIGILANT in attempting to catch you as scum in this game. Do you really think that he's likely to be scum here based on misreading you alone?

The threshold is significantly more likely not absolutely guaranteed

I think asking questions makes you significantly scummy especially since Elements does that as scum and his banter is like extra fake

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Post Post #379  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:25 pm

What fake banter are you referring to in this game? Are the tendencies you're talking about from the last game you played with him or do you have a more stories past than that?
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Post Post #380  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:26 pm

In post 340, Elements wrote:do it

In post 343, Elements wrote:
In post 342, Ginngie wrote:I mean the energy of the crowd is that we're all waiting on mastina and Nacho to post

at least that is what it feels like


So go off

aka
do it

In post 333, Elements wrote:
In post 332, chennisden wrote:this is kinda funny elements

Thank you. I aim to amuse.

In post 70, Elements wrote:
In post 69, Oversoul wrote:
In post 61, Elements wrote:I don't understand how apparently eveyone except me can be obvtown. My scum game is so obvious to see. I'm so much more passive and less erratic.


It’s ok. Becoming obvtown is the only thing I can do. I can’t play scum, I can’t scumhunt, but I can obvtown

can you obvtown as scum?

In post 61, Elements wrote:I don't understand how apparently eveyone except me can be obvtown. My scum game is so obvious to see. I'm so much more passive and less erratic.

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Post Post #381  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:31 pm

undertale v 1.0 is the only completed game we've recently been together in.

for the sake of staying very far on the right side of the rules that's all ill say.

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Post Post #382  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:32 pm

i've considered the possibility i'm tunneling and the productivity of hard pushing a read that a lot of people don't agree with me on.

i'm not voting to kill him because as a baseline it's more productive to spare myself.

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Post Post #383  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:18 pm

I think this is town Chennisden.

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Post Post #384  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:34 pm

In post 377, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 351, Chemist1422 wrote:I'm pretty comfortable with both of my votes so far tbh

Sell me on them! Do you think what I posted wrt their argument was wrong?

You posted nothing that directly contradicts either of my reads

I didn't like Elements' progression on Oversoul, and I'm townreading chennis for meta
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Post Post #385  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:46 pm

In post 384, Chemist1422 wrote:I didn't like Elements' progression on Oversoul, and I'm townreading chennis for meta

What's wrong with his progression on Oversoul? He healed him then hurt him within the first 4 pages and then asked him questions, unless I'm missing something here.
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Post Post #386  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:06 pm

@mastina: How is Rakan not town from his Oversoul interactions?

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Post Post #387  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:08 pm

I can see chennis being town. I have seen his scum game once and it was definitely more aggressive and less committal when he's doing reads.

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Post Post #388  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:54 pm

Anyone else get nothing from the Mastina and Nacho posts or is it just me
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Post Post #389  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:52 pm

I enjoy the VCA flavor text; it is very cute!
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Post Post #390  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:53 pm

In post 388, Xayah wrote:Anyone else get nothing from the Mastina and Nacho posts or is it just me

It's not my expectation that you get anything from my entry posts; as I alluded to before, was posting distracted but also trying to post period so I wasn't just a ball of nothingness. If you get nothing from my full catch-up, then maybe it's time to panic.
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Post Post #391  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:00 am

In post 44, Elements wrote:
In post 40, chennisden wrote:That was not a towny reaction Elements

as I said, I'm feeling volatile

@Elements:
You later said that you thought that the way that Chennis was pushing you was scummy because he should recognize that you are town, but here it doesn't read like that's the case. When did it shift from "meh" to "ok he's scum he should be townreading me by now"?
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Post Post #392  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:05 am

In post 49, Elements wrote:
In post 43, Wisdom wrote:like im already feeling you and chennis are town
thats three already

Why are you feeling I'm town?
normally when I play this way I'm universally scum read

I liked this post a lot, and took a quick skim of the other Undertale game since it's been brought up to see if this is something be might post as scum, and I really don't think it is? His scum play in Undertale 1.0 was fine, but it feels like he's interacting with people in a much more genuine and nuanced way here than he was there.
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Post Post #393  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:07 am

In post 61, Elements wrote:I don't understand how apparently eveyone except me can be obvtown. My scum game is so obvious to see. I'm so much more passive and less erratic.

Would most certainly agree with your assessment here.
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Post Post #394  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:09 am

In post 388, Xayah wrote:Anyone else get nothing from the Mastina and Nacho posts or is it just me

its not just you.

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Post Post #395  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:09 am

In post 11, Wisdom wrote:We identify four townies and win. Townhunting is better than scumhunting and this playerlist is good for application

Oh. And we identify 7 townies and win because there are night kills in this game. We also do so without flips and without the possibility of people getting lynched, which makes it a considerably harder win condition to meet than it would be in a normal game. Which is what I think people messed up last time.
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Post Post #396  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:12 am

so who is scum, nacho?

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Post Post #397  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:19 am

In post 87, Wisdom wrote:
In post 82, Nymph wrote:
In post 77, Wisdom wrote:I think youre echoing me.

I just like your thought process.

nacho is easy to read
mastina sure its hard for me too

...he says as he gets paranoid of towncho and with the knowledge that scumcho has fooled him multiple times in the past.
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Post Post #398  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:20 am

In post 396, Wisdom wrote:so who is scum, nacho?

Not sure yet! I'm still catching up.
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Post Post #399  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:25 am

In post 102, Ginngie wrote:So first question is your thoughts on souls boldness of claiming obvtown when doing nothing in particular to make it obv. It's small in significance but hilariously enough, that's almost exactly how I planned on entering the game saying lol cool i'm town and focus on sorting you and mastina. idk like a look in the mirror type feeling.

I think that Oversoul has low enough confidence in his scum game that immediately declaring himself obvtown without doing anything would be out of his wheelhouse, simply because he knows he'd get static for it and he'd be afraid of that snowballing out of control and burying him.
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-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.

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