In post 349, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't understand what you're asking here. I as scum would sacrifice NM over other people because NM has the lowest floor of anyone here. If another scumpartner was struggling more or a strong townplayer got put within hammer range that might be a different story but otherwise I'd default to sacrificing NM.
I think we have a fundamentally different approach. As scum, I think my strategy would be one of (Get out the people who have no longevity as scum>Get out the least information to town>Get out the weakest player)
When I'm talking about scum longevity I am referring to players like myself or infinity who, if scum, would fade out as the game goes on and become increasingly obvious scum. Like after you explained your approach it does make more sense, but at the end of the day NachoMamma can still be down if NachoDaughter and NachoSon have awful interactions with them.
The first part I was talking about his choice in rhetoric, I figured that my point I was making was more likely and was confused why he chose *that* venue to push. I get it a little more.
As for why I wanted you two to dance, Nacho wimped out of his dance with me and I was unimpressed with your ISO at this point in the game! And I haven't felt warm fuzzies about nacho either! So I was like "sure I'll let yall bus each other idgaf"
In post 407, Disaster Cartel wrote:I would also love to hear thoughts on my point that I think scum are bus!disincentivised unless in a lot of trouble, and the fact that there seems to be no appetite for NM is therefore +scum
-Mena
I disagree that scum don't want to bus, we are going to get a scum flip each day and have that information to analyze. I think anyone with weirdly unnatural townreads on a flipped scum sticks out more than weirdly unnatural scumreads? But that might juts be me. As I've mentioned I do enjoy bussing and in a setup where I'm FORCED to lose a buddy daily regardless of what I do, I would likely want the towncred from it. But I'm not as well versed in other's scum mantra.
In post 428, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Notscience brought up this point. Your response was that you didn't know my reads because you were skimming. That's not good enough for me.
It wasnt good enough for me either but theres only so many ways I can rephrase my question before I get annoyed
But I think Cakez is town at this point so this is all moot anyways
In post 438, Kismet wrote:nacho i'm trying to believe but you're making it very hard
cakez came at you and you just aggressively postured at him in a way that doesn't make me confident you're trying to figure his alignment out.
I stopped reading popcorns main thread when we were playing our game in the dead pt but I did catch glimpses of cakez/nacho arguing
but I almost feel like nacho's playing up some like disappointment card to make Cakez buy into their TvT angle? I quoted one of his chastising posts above. I don't really feel like hes trying to sort Cakez so much as box him in.
In post 479, Venus Fly Trap wrote:But bork man i totally forgot abt you but you're really cool and i'm happy we get to play again and you're like just town here lol, id u need me to explain later i can but the gist of it is u feel super different to that normal in the same way that enabled me to identify town-you in tenet + i think you're out of the scumrange i've seen + i dont think scum-you would be nearly this proactice or nuanced
Likewise, bork's burnt on scum
Dude's town as shit
In post 483, Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm not sure there's a good approach to this other than just letting it play out - my treatment of Cakez here is an anomaly in that it's not a way that I've approached someone as town in the past and hope never to approach someone as town in the future. It is something I use often as scum.
The only difference between this and when I use it as scum is the target - I generally leverage an approach like this when I'm trying to discredit someone who can read we well or I'm trying to mislynch someone who should never ever be mislynched.
Aren't you Mr. "Playing Scum is True Freedom"? I mean I do agree that how you are approaching Cakez feels like how you'd approach someone who was scum, but why not apply this in an instance to try and get someone to be more focused on winning over your favor than divining your alignment?
In post 486, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 480, Infinity 324 wrote:This feels like something scum would say to look like frustrated town, the tone is just...not quite there.
You two are bad tonereaders.
Wrt Infinity am not surprised because he just seems to be stuck in tunnel mode.
Wrt skitter I'm still waiting for your scumread to evolve past its premise.
I don’t get how you got from the first to the second, wouldn’t chastising someone for not being good at tone reading imply you think they are town, yet they are in your lowest scumpool?
In post 500, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:i think cakez and nm are the two scummiest slots in the game rn
i like vft/nacho/kismet to varying degrees
i have also kind of disliked infinity's push on us - there was this one part where she repeated some of the stuff i mentioned being the reasoning for me being low motivation that just felt odd
~leaf
I agree with VFT and Kismet, think notmaf is null as fuck and disagree with nacho and cakez. Why do you think Nacho’s the town side of their interaction?
In post 522, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:I think due to the nature of this setup read lists are bad for town.
Mainly because scum want to eliminate themselves and you'd basically be directing them who to get rid of.
Mind games ect ect.
Town motivation ect ect.
Are both valid arguments against this though as I've had this discussion a few times, I haven't spoke to Mist about this at all.
~Glaceon
People tell me all the time readslists are bad for town because they give scum a roadmap to kill
But scum is obviously going to target people who are seemingly immune to suspicion anyways so this is dumb
In post 548, Nachomamma8 wrote:Can you show me one instance of scum recently pushing a policy lynch? I haven't seen it in a while but I also haven't been active in a while so maybe my experience is a bit skewed.
Wouldn't that literally be the exact reason scum would do it? That's some shit I would do as scum
People have been saying this as long as I have been playing the game and I am convinced they were saying it before that as well
I actually agree that this is more than Ive seen scum-beeboy do
But posting volume is something that can be guilted from a hydra buddy so meh
In post 597, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:I should read Cakez over tbh? I am starting to lean town on Nacho just due to the general way he is trying to inquire about certain things. Mena's approach of me is consistent to the one he had in the dance game where I was actually scum, although I efforted in that game like, not at all.... I really just wanted to pair with the IC then leave the dance so the circumstances were different but it's fine. Cakez I was avoiding to read simply because I don't like lynching him day one because it happens to him so often but I don't think that's fair to the rest of the player base since I'd just be giving him a pass because I like him and feel guilty.
Expand on Nacho please?
