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[ssbm_Kyouko]

Are you even for real? Am I even voting VFP? No, I’m voting you.

you were voting him earlier when he was e-1 and then you fabricated the idea that I would not vote VFP when I pointed out he was e-1, shortly thereafter you turned on me because I tried to start a wagon on VFP end of D1, and because of the fabricated claim that I now won't vote VFP. Then, when I asked you to consider why I might have wanted VFP yesterday you ignored my question and went on a loud campaign to discredit me. Your case on me holds no water and the reason you are avoiding my question is that in answering it you will reveal how shallow your "read" truly is.

What do you have to say regarding the reasoning I provided for voting VFP at the end of D1?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The way he said, if green, he’s voting Distance absolutely pinged me though.

I did not say this. I said if you are green I will reconsider Distance. If you're red I'll absolutely be voting Distance.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I just read through some of the game you posted. I dont see the parallels so far in reading your ISO. Is there something specific I'm missing?

I see you are still not reading or intentionally misunderstanding/ignoring my posts though.

I didn’t want you to hammer VFP. Is it possible you’re misunderstanding me then? I was surprised that you seemed to be no longer sr him. I think he might possibly be a miselim now because unless I’m wrong on Kitty wagon being pure, I don’t see any scum motivation in him claiming this. Also scum!him has no reason to bring up Happy Face unless it was somehow a pocket and it really didn’t look like one to me. Plus, I also liked SS’ takes on that slot. I jumped off of his wagon because when he suddenly got to E -1, I wasn’t feeling the same degree of confidence I did with Kitty and I really hate to miselim. Of course. if it were to actually turn out that he really is scum, this post will probably come back to bite me but I’m okay with that because rn, I’m leaning to him being a possible miselim.

I don’t have a super strong read on him either way rn but not interested in his wagon today. If you are actually town, then I’m really not sure who to vote for.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I just read through some of the game you posted. I dont see the parallels so far in reading your ISO. Is there something specific I'm missing?

I see you are still not reading or intentionally misunderstanding/ignoring my posts though.

My slot actively rammed through a scum!Bell wagon to make sure he got yeeted.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Are you even for real? Am I even voting VFP? No, I’m voting you.

you were voting him earlier when he was e-1 and then you fabricated the idea that I would not vote VFP when I pointed out he was e-1, shortly thereafter you turned on me because I tried to start a wagon on VFP end of D1, and because of the fabricated claim that I now won't vote VFP. Then, when I asked you to consider why I might have wanted VFP yesterday you ignored my question and went on a loud campaign to discredit me. Your case on me holds no water and the reason you are avoiding my question is that in answering it you will reveal how shallow your "read" truly is.

What do you have to say regarding the reasoning I provided for voting VFP at the end of D1?

Why would I “fabricate” anything? If you’re town then I don’t want you miselimed obviously. I was surprised that you were no longer sr him - or that’s how I read it. You can persist in misunderstanding what I’m saying a disbelieving it but this is the truth.

But I can see why you might wrongly sr me if you honestly thought that.

UNVOTE:

Still not tr you but it’s believable but you also targetting Distance is kind of yuck, so that’s another reason.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Especially when he already acknowledged he had the same wrong theory about Noraa.

I made it clear when I said that in 550 that I was TRing Noraa in that game. Also, what does it matter if I've been wrong in another game before? Because Noraa wasn't bussing that one time, scum will never bus on D1 again?

I didn't hard push Noraa for bussing in that game because while the theory she was bussing occurred to me, it did not make sense, and I had good reason to TR her. Here I believe the triple ISO points to scum in you and distance. Individually I have a stronger read on you, and in the situation you were in with the d1 roles and a 2 horse race between two town for MO, it was going to take a desperate strategy to equalize.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Especially when he already acknowledged he had the same wrong theory about Noraa.

I made it clear when I said that in 550 that I was TRing Noraa in that game. Also, what does it matter if I've been wrong in another game before? Because Noraa wasn't bussing that one time, scum will never bus on D1 again?

I didn't hard push Noraa for bussing in that game because while the theory she was bussing occurred to me, it did not make sense, and I had good reason to TR her. Here I believe the triple ISO points to scum in you and distance. Individually I have a stronger read on you, and in the situation you were in with the d1 roles and a 2 horse race between two town for MO, it was going to take a desperate strategy to equalize.

I honestly didn’t pay too much attention to that. Fortunately Pooky has his internet back and he can deal with all of that.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Especially when he already acknowledged he had the same wrong theory about Noraa.

I made it clear when I said that in 550 that I was TRing Noraa in that game. Also, what does it matter if I've been wrong in another game before? Because Noraa wasn't bussing that one time, scum will never bus on D1 again?

I didn't hard push Noraa for bussing in that game because while the theory she was bussing occurred to me, it did not make sense, and I had good reason to TR her. Here I believe the triple ISO points to scum in you and distance. Individually I have a stronger read on you, and in the situation you were in with the d1 roles and a 2 horse race between two town for MO, it was going to take a desperate strategy to equalize.

I honestly didn’t pay too much attention to that. Fortunately Pooky has his internet back and he can deal with all of that.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

@kyuku, I think you’re obviously misunderstanding me makes sense but the rest of it is absolute bonkers.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

What is still nagging at me is that you’re still not considering that you might be wrong and actually are trying to intentionally miselim me. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for now that you honestly do believe this but not really confident on it. So I’m off you for now but will continue to monitor your posts closely, until I feel more sure that you are just bad town here and not scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I just read through some of the game you posted. I dont see the parallels so far in reading your ISO. Is there something specific I'm missing?

I see you are still not reading or intentionally misunderstanding/ignoring my posts though.

My slot actively rammed through a scum!Bell wagon to make sure he got yeeted.

But your slot in that game had meta experience with bell and it appeared to me that Pooky is the one that caught Bell with a meta tell. Maybe I'm wrong about the head that caught him but from what I understand pooky was not around to push Kitty yesterDay.

Kitty was also not caught by a meta tell in this game. So the parallel you describe I just dont see. I also noticed in that game, contrary to this game, your iso is very scumhunty D1, where in this game iirc you are giving out townreads seemingly left and right, and aren't really aggressive with anyone until Kitty.

Went and reread your iso - not as many TRs as I remember but seeing Kitty's reads in context with 347 still really irks me. I don't think Distance's posting to that point warranted that read which makes it all the more unusual that the 2 of you caught scum so easily.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Btw I asked you that question 3 times and reminded you to answer it once more. The 2nd and 3rd times I asked I separated it into its own paragraph with line breaks and the 3rd time I bolded it.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Having issues reading into people here. VFP and Flea are town though and it would take a lot to convince me they are scum. Marci is decent too.

Smoke and Distance are two of my SRs at this point in the game.

VOTE: kitty

Good vote and I really don’t understand the sr on you either. I don’t have a strong read on you yet but it looks like you’ve been genuinely sorting.

I still do think this. Have you critically examined his ISO? I’m referring to his other reads and don’t understand why town!you are myopically only focused on Kitty?

I explained why I tr him and it had absolutely nothing to do with Kitty. Re-read my ISO because you seem to be ignoring any of my posts that don’t seem to fit your narrative.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I just read through some of the game you posted. I dont see the parallels so far in reading your ISO. Is there something specific I'm missing?

I see you are still not reading or intentionally misunderstanding/ignoring my posts though.

My slot actively rammed through a scum!Bell wagon to make sure he got yeeted.

But your slot in that game had meta experience with bell and it appeared to me that Pooky is the one that caught Bell with a meta tell. Maybe I'm wrong about the head that caught him but from what I understand pooky was not around to push Kitty yesterDay.

Kitty was also not caught by a meta tell in this game. So the parallel you describe I just dont see. I also noticed in that game, contrary to this game, your iso is very scumhunty D1, where in this game iirc you are giving out townreads seemingly left and right, and aren't really aggressive with anyone until Kitty.

Went and reread your iso - not as many TRs as I remember but seeing Kitty's reads in context with 347 still really irks me. I don't think Distance's posting to that point warranted that read which makes it all the more unusual that the 2 of you caught scum so easily.

Because sometimes I’m actually good at catching scum. Pooky cased Bell, I didn’t but I did case Kitty and found is ISO to be a dumpster fire.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Btw I asked you that question 3 times and reminded you to answer it once more. The 2nd and 3rd times I asked I separated it into its own paragraph with line breaks and the 3rd time I bolded it.

I have ADHD and Dyslexia. I don’t know if that answers your question or not but none of that is AI for me.

[mastina]

@Mastina do you tr kyuku? Having her top srs 2 slots that actually voted scum really weirds me out.

Not to the same extent as I townread the scum voters D1 or the MistyX/S_S slot, but loosely? Yes. I see enough in SSBM's contributions to think they are more likely town than not, including their usage of the Market Owner power, and they were voted Market Owner on D1 by, how many people? 5? That's 5 people who trusted SSBM to be one of the towniest yet mechanically-best players and to some extent I want to trust in their read.

So SSBM isn't a top townread but IS a townread.

My readslist right now would be:
{Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald} (all conftown to me)
Mistyx/Something_Smart (basically conftown to me)

ssbm_Kyouko (townread but not the locktown tier of the above)

(huge gap)

marcistar

(somewhat of a gap)

{cyrus, Cupcake Butterfly} (I think exactly one of them is scum but not both)

VFP

[Gypyx]

votecount 2.3

Gamma Emerald (0)
mastina (1) : Imaginality
Smoke and Mirrors (0)
Cupcake Butterfly (0)
ssbm_Kyouko (0)
Something_Smart (1) - VFP
cyrus62 (0)
imaginality (0)
marcistar (0)
Distance (0)
VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

not voting (4) - Everyone else

day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-26 10:38:57)

auction

the auctioned abilities are :

1-shot Aution Detective - the top bet at the mid point is 5

2-shot Auction Detective - the top bet at the mid point is 365

2-shot Gravedigger - the top bet at the mid point is 25

2-shot Watcher - the top bet at the mid point is 100

[Cupcake Butterfly]

Checklist

1. Hardsort VFP because that's the slot I need to sort asap.
2. Cry @ Kyuku and Nancy
3. Angry poop because I'm tired of this short ass deadline
4. Sleep omg

[Gamma Emerald]

Bruh
The “ou” character combination is pronounced like an o when read in the context of Japanese pronunciation
And there is no second u in kyouko

[Cupcake Butterfly]

Ooopsies sorry.

So Gamma you having trouble with scumreads?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I'd say that about where my problem lies

[marcistar]

UNVOTE:

for rn since im gonna be a bit busy today

[imaginality]

I had this neatly formatted and typed out but lost my post, ffs...

There is at least one scum in S&M and Distance, I think they just double bussed though. Triple ISO them with kitty. It seems to me the plan was to steal cop with the dead scum's wallet and save the rest of the money for later auctions when a town MO can no longer "guarantee" that no scum roles make it in. The fewer roles that remain, the less powerful the MO Enhancement becomes and the more likely a random role that benefits scum will slip in. By double bussing d1 they can ride out the game until a good scum power slips through

VOTE: S&M

If this is green I will reconsider Distance.

Good job, if you’re actually town here and town doesn’t want to lose, they should steer 100% clear of your shitty reads,

@Imaginality, still think this is town? Kyuku’s top srs are on the extremely likely pure Kitty wagon. I was going to unvote you but this screams setting up miselims to me.

The rationale for the scum double bus theory makes no sense to me. It seems likely scum would get Kitty to high-bid cop when they knew Kitty was about to be elimmed. But deliberately double-bussing Kitty, eh, I doubt it. Losing that 800 is going to hurt scum more than just a normal elim. Of course, the fact it seems particularly bad for scum would also boost the towncred reward if they pull it off. But it doesn't seem like the Kitty wagon was really pushed hard so it was a heck of a laid back double bus if it was one. Like I say I don't see it.

That said, I also don't think we should simply assume anyone in particular on the Kitty wagon is definitely town. A few people have done so so far: Gamma, Distance, you (S&M), and mastina:

quote="Gamma 440"]I think S&M hydra is probably confirmed town now right?[/quote]

i should be obvtown after that flip

I think Kitty wagon was all town and Mastina was obviously right on Flea, so this game should probably not be too hard to solve.

(plus the 'extremely likely pure wagon' comment above)

KittyTacky (4) - Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald

So I am treating y'all as conftown.

I think if there is scum on Kitty wagon it's least likely Gamma as I think scum bussing earlier in the wagon is more likely than late. I would reconsider that if VFP is scum (as that would mean there wasn't any chance of shifting the elimination away from scum).

But with scum really unable to afford another elim today and how strongly the VFP wagon built I think VFP is more likely town and that at least one scum is on the wagon.

Current VFP voters are:

VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

Of those voters:

With ssbm I feel like I have a good sense of what I find suspicious and what I find townie, and I'm happy to watch and wait.

I'm happy to keep my vote on mastina for kicking off the VFP wagon (which given there had been votes on VFP end of D1, was quite likely to build up), and if mastina flips scum I think it's worth looking at the Kitty wagon again.

cyrus seems all over the place. I don't think that's an act. I feel like unless scum aren't bothering to talk, cyrus as scum would have slightly more of a clue about certain things?

I need to reread marci but retyping all this means it's 2am now, so sleep first, iso after. Pedit: would marci have unvoted if there was a competing wagon? If VFP gets elimmed and flips town that unvote will look convenient in retrospect.

I think if someone did bus Kitty it's more likely Distance than S&M. Their 'i should be obvtown' quote raises my eyebrow (too concerned with how others see them?) and the vote on VFP is unexplained but that could be a play style thing.

I will say I find the meta discussion hard to get into because I don't know anyone from other games and have no time to read dozens of games. The point someone made about Alisae being excited to play when scum made me feel slightly better about Gamma.


Also, why were all the midday bids so low. Come on people, bid high and make scum either give us powers or use their cash. If everyone bids high then it also helps auction detectives (if their target didn't bid today it means they either won a power d1 or are scum saving their cash). Scum can't outbid us for both auction detectives and watcher if we bid high on all three.

[cyrus62]

I had this neatly formatted and typed out but lost my post, ffs...

There is at least one scum in S&M and Distance, I think they just double bussed though. Triple ISO them with kitty. It seems to me the plan was to steal cop with the dead scum's wallet and save the rest of the money for later auctions when a town MO can no longer "guarantee" that no scum roles make it in. The fewer roles that remain, the less powerful the MO Enhancement becomes and the more likely a random role that benefits scum will slip in. By double bussing d1 they can ride out the game until a good scum power slips through

VOTE: S&M

If this is green I will reconsider Distance.

Good job, if you’re actually town here and town doesn’t want to lose, they should steer 100% clear of your shitty reads,

@Imaginality, still think this is town? Kyuku’s top srs are on the extremely likely pure Kitty wagon. I was going to unvote you but this screams setting up miselims to me.

The rationale for the scum double bus theory makes no sense to me. It seems likely scum would get Kitty to high-bid cop when they knew Kitty was about to be elimmed. But deliberately double-bussing Kitty, eh, I doubt it. Losing that 800 is going to hurt scum more than just a normal elim. Of course, the fact it seems particularly bad for scum would also boost the towncred reward if they pull it off. But it doesn't seem like the Kitty wagon was really pushed hard so it was a heck of a laid back double bus if it was one. Like I say I don't see it.

That said, I also don't think we should simply assume anyone in particular on the Kitty wagon is definitely town. A few people have done so so far: Gamma, Distance, you (S&M), and mastina:

quote="Gamma 440"]I think S&M hydra is probably confirmed town now right?

i should be obvtown after that flip

I think Kitty wagon was all town and Mastina was obviously right on Flea, so this game should probably not be too hard to solve.

(plus the 'extremely likely pure wagon' comment above)

KittyTacky (4) - Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald

So I am treating y'all as conftown.

I think if there is scum on Kitty wagon it's least likely Gamma as I think scum bussing earlier in the wagon is more likely than late. I would reconsider that if VFP is scum (as that would mean there wasn't any chance of shifting the elimination away from scum).

But with scum really unable to afford another elim today and how strongly the VFP wagon built I think VFP is more likely town and that at least one scum is on the wagon.

Current VFP voters are:

VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

Of those voters:

With ssbm I feel like I have a good sense of what I find suspicious and what I find townie, and I'm happy to watch and wait.

I'm happy to keep my vote on mastina for kicking off the VFP wagon (which given there had been votes on VFP end of D1, was quite likely to build up), and if mastina flips scum I think it's worth looking at the Kitty wagon again.

cyrus seems all over the place. I don't think that's an act. I feel like unless scum aren't bothering to talk, cyrus as scum would have slightly more of a clue about certain things?

I need to reread marci but retyping all this means it's 2am now, so sleep first, iso after. Pedit: would marci have unvoted if there was a competing wagon? If VFP gets elimmed and flips town that unvote will look convenient in retrospect.

I think if someone did bus Kitty it's more likely Distance than S&M. Their 'i should be obvtown' quote raises my eyebrow (too concerned with how others see them?) and the vote on VFP is unexplained but that could be a play style thing.

I will say I find the meta discussion hard to get into because I don't know anyone from other games and have no time to read dozens of games. The point someone made about Alisae being excited to play when scum made me feel slightly better about Gamma.


Also, why were all the midday bids so low. Come on people, bid high and make scum either give us powers or use their cash. If everyone bids high then it also helps auction detectives (if their target didn't bid today it means they either won a power d1 or are scum saving their cash). Scum can't outbid us for both auction detectives and watcher if we bid high on all three.[/quote] now that's smart thinking on your part i can get behind you as town on this comment so is my vote in a bad spot cause with just 3 days till vote is over it will be tricky wagons. yes i do normaly know what scum is doing unless we are playing i forgot the name of this game.

[cyrus62]

I had this neatly formatted and typed out but lost my post, ffs...

There is at least one scum in S&M and Distance, I think they just double bussed though. Triple ISO them with kitty. It seems to me the plan was to steal cop with the dead scum's wallet and save the rest of the money for later auctions when a town MO can no longer "guarantee" that no scum roles make it in. The fewer roles that remain, the less powerful the MO Enhancement becomes and the more likely a random role that benefits scum will slip in. By double bussing d1 they can ride out the game until a good scum power slips through

VOTE: S&M

If this is green I will reconsider Distance.

Good job, if you’re actually town here and town doesn’t want to lose, they should steer 100% clear of your shitty reads,

@Imaginality, still think this is town? Kyuku’s top srs are on the extremely likely pure Kitty wagon. I was going to unvote you but this screams setting up miselims to me.

The rationale for the scum double bus theory makes no sense to me. It seems likely scum would get Kitty to high-bid cop when they knew Kitty was about to be elimmed. But deliberately double-bussing Kitty, eh, I doubt it. Losing that 800 is going to hurt scum more than just a normal elim. Of course, the fact it seems particularly bad for scum would also boost the towncred reward if they pull it off. But it doesn't seem like the Kitty wagon was really pushed hard so it was a heck of a laid back double bus if it was one. Like I say I don't see it.

That said, I also don't think we should simply assume anyone in particular on the Kitty wagon is definitely town. A few people have done so so far: Gamma, Distance, you (S&M), and mastina:

quote="Gamma 440"]I think S&M hydra is probably confirmed town now right?

i should be obvtown after that flip

I think Kitty wagon was all town and Mastina was obviously right on Flea, so this game should probably not be too hard to solve.

(plus the 'extremely likely pure wagon' comment above)

KittyTacky (4) - Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald

So I am treating y'all as conftown.

I think if there is scum on Kitty wagon it's least likely Gamma as I think scum bussing earlier in the wagon is more likely than late. I would reconsider that if VFP is scum (as that would mean there wasn't any chance of shifting the elimination away from scum).

But with scum really unable to afford another elim today and how strongly the VFP wagon built I think VFP is more likely town and that at least one scum is on the wagon.

Current VFP voters are:

VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

Of those voters:

With ssbm I feel like I have a good sense of what I find suspicious and what I find townie, and I'm happy to watch and wait.

I'm happy to keep my vote on mastina for kicking off the VFP wagon (which given there had been votes on VFP end of D1, was quite likely to build up), and if mastina flips scum I think it's worth looking at the Kitty wagon again.

cyrus seems all over the place. I don't think that's an act. I feel like unless scum aren't bothering to talk, cyrus as scum would have slightly more of a clue about certain things?

I need to reread marci but retyping all this means it's 2am now, so sleep first, iso after. Pedit: would marci have unvoted if there was a competing wagon? If VFP gets elimmed and flips town that unvote will look convenient in retrospect.

I think if someone did bus Kitty it's more likely Distance than S&M. Their 'i should be obvtown' quote raises my eyebrow (too concerned with how others see them?) and the vote on VFP is unexplained but that could be a play style thing.

I will say I find the meta discussion hard to get into because I don't know anyone from other games and have no time to read dozens of games. The point someone made about Alisae being excited to play when scum made me feel slightly better about Gamma.


Also, why were all the midday bids so low. Come on people, bid high and make scum either give us powers or use their cash. If everyone bids high then it also helps auction detectives (if their target didn't bid today it means they either won a power d1 or are scum saving their cash). Scum can't outbid us for both auction detectives and watcher if we bid high on all three.[/quote]


now that's smart thinking on your part i can get behind you as town on this comment so is my vote in a bad spot cause with just 3 days till vote is over it will be tricky wagons. yes i do normaly know what scum is doing unless we are playing i forgot the name of this game.