Mini Theme 2222: Open Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think I play mafia better with people yelling at me and calling me scum for not explaining my reasoning. Now I just don't really care

Yeah, it shows.

[Infinity 324]

Don't worry I probably would've voted you anyway

[Almost50]

I think I play mafia better with people yelling at me and calling me scum for not explaining my reasoning. Now I just don't really care

HEY, SCUM! Why aren't explaining your reasoning?

I hope that helps

[NDMath]

Hmm why does scum!dunn pass a mason wouldn't that be a scumclaim?

As A50 interpreted, I was primarily referring to claiming he has the card. I also think house proposing & arguing for Dunn to not take the mason while Dunn has a strong preference towards taking it would be a weird interaction for w/w.

Mathematically, it does a proportional amount to the likelihood of me lying. Like how a N1 track to no where deduces that the target didn't commit the kill and reduces that player's chance of being scum by the likelihood of them committing the kill N1.

Sure. Just like mathematically you not having been modkilled for posting a screenshot of a town role PM makes you more likely to be scum. Basically everything that we say is NAI isn't truly NAI, it's just impossible to have perfect enough information to actually determine whether it's AI or not.

It doesn't meaningfully impact my read of you though.

1. Do you believe I should have you as a townread based on you having taken follower, a utility role for both town and scum? If so, why?
2. Do you believe I shouldn't have a townread on Titus as a result of Titus' claim of targeting you, for the reasons I've already explained? If so, why?
3. Do you have a point to this incredibly semantic argument?

1. No, I think the scenarios where I lie to say I have that card as mafia are near nonexistent.
2. I don't necessarily disagree with the townread for titus's action, but I believed your reasoning contradicted some of your previous reasoning (which turns out to be because you use a different definition of 'not alignment-indicative' than I'm used to.)
3. You stated what looked to me a contradiction, and I don't think you say a contradiction there as either alignment, so I was trying to figure out what you actually meant as it seemed important for me to understand.


I think I am fine/good with norwee wagon.
Hammer coming after I look at mastina's posts again & make sure there isn't anything else I want to say

[NDMath]

With a reread of Dunn's iso I still think he'll flip town a notable amount more likely than not.


If norwee flips town I think I want to go for dwlee, and if dwlee then flips town mastina, but idk how to feel about that so I'm hoping norwee just flips scum.
In particular I'm struggling with that I'm still very suspicious of the player (mastina) that my top townread (infinity) is calling obvtown.

VOTE: norwee

[MURDERCAT]

Vote Count 3.FINAL

[5] NorwegianboyEE: mastina, Infinity 324, Bingle, Titus, NDMath

[2] Dunnstral: Almost50, Dwlee99
[1] Dwlee99: NorwegianboyEE
[1] Bingle: Dunnstral
[0] Titus:
[0] NDMath:
[0] Infinity 324:
[0] Almost50:
[0] mastina:

Not voting:

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

[MURDERCAT]

A majority has been reached! NorwegianboyEE was...

Spoiler: Flip

a mafia N2 Watcher and 1-shot commuter!

Night 3 start will be delayed until I have time to send pack PMs tonight.

[MURDERCAT]

Night 3 begins now and ends in (expired on 2021-08-04 08:00:02).
Players may request a fast night when submitting your action, if all players make a request day 4 will begin immediately.
Please choose a role from your pack and indicate if you wish to take an action.
Failure to choose a role will result in a random choice, followed by no action.

[MURDERCAT]

Someone was killed last night! mastina was...

Spoiler: Flip

A vengeful townie, odd-night doc, and 1-shot strongman!

Packs have been moved 3 spaces and will be received at the beginning of N4.

[MURDERCAT]

Vote Count 4.0

[0] Bingle:
[0] Titus:
[0] Dwlee99:
[0] Dunnstral:
[0] NDMath:
[0] Infinity 324:
[0] Almost50:

Not voting: Infinity 324, Bingle, NDMath, Dunnstral, Titus, Dwlee99, Almost50

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline expires in

(expired on 2021-08-11 10:05:09).

[NDMath]

VOTE: dwlee
Hard Guilty

[Titus]

NDMath, your result please?

It will likely clear or confirm someone.

Also, there's a strongman and vanilla in my last pack left. So the person who gets that pack will take the strongman.

[Titus]

VOTE: dwlee
Hard Guilty

Vouch this is possible.

Scum should concede.

VOTE: Dwlee

[Dwlee99]

Odd-night doctor night 2 gunsmith 2-shot doctor, healed infinity last night

[NDMath]

Dwlee used both a protective action and a killing action n3 so...

[Dwlee99]

Lol fuck
VOTE: Dwlee

[Dwlee99]

I think cool setup, maybe a bad rand for us, but probably town-sided

[Titus]

Yes, I rolecopped NDMath after the follower claim. I got N1 follower and N3 follower.

Dwlee are you ceding?

[MURDERCAT]

Mafia has conceded! Dwlee99 was...

Spoiler: Flip

a mafia odd-night doctor, 2-shot doctor and N2 gunsmith!

A win condition has been reached!
Congratulations to the

town

consisting of Dunnstral, Flea The Magician, Bingle, Infinity 324, Almost50, mastina, Titus, T3, NDMath, and cyrus62!

Threads:
Mod Thread
Mafia Thread
Dead Thread
Mason Thread
Neighbor Thread
T3's Neighbor Thread

[MURDERCAT]

Game over! Everyone is now free to post

[Dwlee99]

I actually didn't realize that Mastina had a killing role with the gunsmith check. Thought it would just make sense to check her if I was town

[Titus]

Well sorry Bingle. I knew the result on mastina was hinky.

[MURDERCAT]

Threads have been edited in above (mafia please let me know if you have redactions). Thanks everyone for playing (and an extra big thanks to my replacements)!

I really enjoyed running this setup and watching the play, though it ended up being clearly town sided. There are not that many hard guilties available so sucks a bit that scum got hit by 2 of them. But well played by the town who used their abilities effectively.

Very interested in feedback about both the overall concept and specific roles. If anyone has ideas for how to give scum a bit more power please share. Unfortunately there aren't that many roles that give scum power in their own right, most are also useful for town or just counteract town power. I do think adding another vig/vengeful in could be fun.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hard gulties always ruin the fun.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I even set up an plan for everything Dwlee should do after i died and everything.