[MT2225] Chrono Trigger Chronicles - The Rise/Fall of Yakra

[T3]

VOTE: Robert m hunter
For reasons previously stated yesterday and because the Dwlee wagon is weird.

VOTE: dwlee for now.

T3, what motivated you to vote Dwlee there? What did you mean with "Dwlee wagon is weird"?

I thought I was going to be vla so I parked my vote on the top wagon.

Do you seriously go out of your way to make the scummiest plays you possibly can? Because that’s what it seems like when you do this shit.

thonk

[T3]

You are like.... mildly annoying as in taking cocky to the extreme

[Guillotina]

Imagine me Gouding scum and the one who I actually townread is the one that reacts to my goading.

Yeah I also was immediately like “huh, T3 really just fell for that hook line and sinker huh”
VOTE: T3
This is just for moral support rn
And like, if Guillotina doesn’t gain solid traction at some point today T3 is a perfectly acceptable lim as well IMO. The fact they’ve been a voting bloc practically this entire day phase is such a red flag.

What do you mean solid traction? Why would i get solid traction for?

If House votes you I think that’ll be the point a wagon on you can actually form

The other option is they are doing it to feed my paranoia of you and Robert, but again, why waste that action to fool just me.

Why does that feel like wasting the action to you? I don’t think it can be called wasted without knowing the limits of the ability.

Ok.. im gonna give you two choices.

Let’s pretend you are scum:

Option 1: You have an extra vote and all you have to do is to wait for a town wagon to be ar L-1 to secure a mischop and leave town confused overnight, having to make decisions on their own to submit night actions.

Option 2: Let’s fool Guillo to make him more paranoid about his scum reads.

I kinda feel like you’re being self-centered
Why do you think scum showing their hand now is a play towards you specifically?

I don't, that's the point. I don't think scum would use that vote the way they did to influence me.

That doesn’t necessarily mean the other option you proposed is the truth
I feel like there’s ways that the DROO vote being used now wouldn’t be folding the ability too early.

Explain

Don’t wanna give scum ideas they might not have thought of.

House townreads me and i do him, i dont see him leading a wagon on me unless he wants to throw.

[Guillotina]

You are like.... mildly annoying as in taking cocky to the extreme

I dont see how town would get annoyed when i intentionally provoke scum. That is why your reaction raised a red flag.

[T3]

You are like.... mildly annoying as in taking cocky to the extreme

I dont see how town would get annoyed when i intentionally provoke scum. That is why your reaction raised a red flag.

How is it explicitly provoking scum specifically?

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: Robert m hunter
For reasons previously stated yesterday and because the Dwlee wagon is weird.

VOTE: dwlee for now.

T3, what motivated you to vote Dwlee there? What did you mean with "Dwlee wagon is weird"?

I thought I was going to be vla so I parked my vote on the top wagon.

People do that?

[Robert M Hunter]

How is it explicitly provoking scum specifically?

Guillotina is blowing smoke up our

[Robert M Hunter]

How is it explicitly provoking scum specifically?

Guillotina is blowing smoke up our

[House]

There id literally no case against me except for "Not towntelling" and "he might do that if he was scum"

Untrue.

I'd call faking reads a pretty damning case.

[T3]

There id literally no case against me except for "Not towntelling" and "he might do that if he was scum"

Untrue.

I'd call faking reads a pretty damning case.

*wat*
Again, that readlist is not faked.

[House]

If House votes you I think that’ll be the point a wagon on you can actually form

That's not an option for me today, sorry.

[House]

There id literally no case against me except for "Not towntelling" and "he might do that if he was scum"

Untrue.

I'd call faking reads a pretty damning case.

*wat*
Again, that readlist is not faked.

Right.

Because town always puts other reads ahead of those they consider MASON.

[T3]

There id literally no case against me except for "Not towntelling" and "he might do that if he was scum"

Untrue.

I'd call faking reads a pretty damning case.

*wat*
Again, that readlist is not faked.

Right.

Because town always puts other reads ahead of those they consider MASON.

I didn't and still don't know for a fact Angel is mason.

[House]

There id literally no case against me except for "Not towntelling" and "he might do that if he was scum"

Untrue.

I'd call faking reads a pretty damning case.

*wat*
Again, that readlist is not faked.

Right.

Because town always puts other reads ahead of those they consider MASON.

I didn't and still don't know for a fact Angel is mason.

Neither does anyone else, but those speculating she is has her up there with me in their reads.

[House]

Titus, where you at?

I miss you.

[Lukewarm]

Hey, sorry, I am vla for the next couple days, which is poor timing for this game starting up, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To be clear, my vote on T3 is no longer a RVS vote, and I think he is just scum here.

His opening posts with the various claims are in fact NAI, but he has done plenty more past that to make it a real read.

27 stands out to me, in that he is claiming Mindmeld on something really basic where it makes no sense. This is something that I have seen scum T3 do a couple of times trying to integrate himselves with the townies. Never seen it from townT3

He then seems to be like playing up the perception of him being a wild player, like every time he does it, it is over the top.

The post 66 vote on me, then the unvote in 96, then calling the original vote an RVS vote in 227, then calling me a scum read in 302 feels off. Like, some one asked him why he was voting me, and he has no answer at post 227, but I am one of his scum reads not long after despite me not having posted in between.

Repeatedly talking about potential masons is pretty anti-town, and asking about a mass claim seems out of character for T3 tbh

post 301 is hella performative. Like, oh no, I am concerned that a scum read is voting with me. Checks his scum reads, and he has 6 people listed as scummier then the person in question. Even if you make the correction of moving RMH just bellow the null line, it is still a silly stance for town to take, and seems much more like scum trying to appear paranoid of their reads.

@T3, here is my day 1 case on you.

Do you feel like you have done anything townie since then to counteract any of this?

[Lukewarm]

@Roden, looking at your scum games, did actually lessen my scum read on you.

However, I think you are pretty bad at meta.

Spoilering a wall, because this is really only for the benefit of Roden

Spoiler:

You talk with a tone like you have such an understanding of how I play, but then you say things that feels like you are comparing me to exactly our first newbie game. And only that game, but that game was quite different then this one, and there are plenty of other games I have been in

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VOTE: Roden

Your second naked vote on me in a row. And still no case.

Very

out of character for you.

What makes you says that is out of character for me?

Plenty of times before where I have seen a post I did not like, and just voted as town

Fuck it

VOTE: hectic

Maybe I am just really bad at this game, but VOTE: Prism

VOTE: monkey

VOTE: Manatee

VOTE: Hopkirk

But, then I think that as scum, I made a point of having a clear trajectory on my votes.

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This was a weird unvote, I almost never see town!Luke back down on a read,

And here..

This post is with a tone of "I know how you play," but then says something that is just not even true

Looking at your votes in general, you've been all over the place. I don't usually see that from you, you tend to latch onto hunches and reads even on Day 1.

And again, talking like this is something I would never do as town.

In open 815, my Day 1 votes were:
Child of Faries -> Johnny -> Prism -> Hectic -> Humaneatingmonkey -> Child of Faries -> Prism -> Skitter -> Humaneatingmonkey

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because saying you "hate" a post doesn't mean much and gives you room to give whatever interpretation you want. Pretty sure town!you is more straightforward than that.

Town!you doesn't wait for someone to ask you to explain very basic reads, you instead overexplain and push hard on everything you're thinking.

This one is egregiously bad, because, that is not even strictly true in the game I played with you

Hero solve [T3 + Roden]

This is either a lazy hero solve or a reactionary one. Either way it's teetering on OMGUS. Which townreads a little bit better.

To be fair, my scum read on you is mild, but it has nothing to do with the vote on me, and everything to do with not liking post 105

Btw, what didn't you like about post 105? I'm curious since the only other person who didn't seem to like it was your scum read.

I saw a post that I did not like, I said I did not like it, and you had to ask me a few times to find out why.

I was not aggressively pushing you and explaining my scum read on you, because you were not a particularly strong scum read, and I only go hard when I am confident. If you look back at what was originally said, was "Robert and Roden look worse this day phase" and then I was asked why that was. I answered the question.

My original vote on you was largely your own self vote, and the fact that it was still there after an extended period of time. I actually think you were teetering on breaking site rules

Nora I'd literally rather spite you and get us both voted out if you're going to go out of your way to throw this game for town. I want to go to the dead PT, see your confirmed alignment, and laugh as you crumble Day 3.

The second vote was that your case on me seemed so bad that it must be ingenuine (maybe Noraa had a point about me scum reading people who have bad scum reads on me) -- but I am coming around to the idea that you are trying to use meta, and doing so poorly

[House]

Spoiler:

Slightly concerned because RMH is also voting with me + House.

Reads:
House
Roden
Angel
Guillotina
Gamma
RMH
-- NULL LINE
Child of Fairies/Marashu
Lukewarm/Titus/mastina
ssbm

why does RMH voting with you concern you if he's above your null line?

why does RMH voting with you concern you if he's above your null line?

Oh-he was meant to be slightly below null on that.

Here's how this looks to me:

- RMH shade
- Fabricated reads list (how can you forget a legitimate suspicion of someone that you put them that far up in your reads?)
- Called out
- B/S ass covering excuse that doesn't read as genuine at all

[House]

Ah scratch that last post. I transposed the R names when I was reading the list.

[House]

It's still sus, but not as bad as it originally looked to me.

[Lukewarm]

@roden again

Spoiler:

did you not actually bother to meta me even though that's your absolute favorite thing to do as town?

Just like also, this is not true??

Do I use meta, yeah. Is it my favorite thing, no. I actively avoid doing meta dives on players until I feel like I must. I generally meta like 1 player per game I am in. I think I have actually done more meta homework this game then I have for any other game I have played in on site.

Even in that game with me and you where I pushed out T3, while that was a "meta read" it was not that I had done a meta dive on him, and more that I was comparing it to games that we had already been in together.

[Lukewarm]

Ah scratch that last post. I transposed the R names when I was reading the list.

Like I said in 305 tho, even if you move the null line up one, that still put all of:

Child of Fairies/Marashu
Lukewarm/Titus/mastina
ssbm

as scummier then Robert. So, if he has 6 people scummier then him, even if he is suspicious of robert, it does not make sense to be worried about voting the same person as him

[mastina]

Can someone explain to me why,
1: We had 11 pages in 24 hours before the end of D1,
2: We sped through the D1 elimination when we had the thread open for ~3 days (meaning we had ~10-11 days left),
3: Why there are now over 50 pages, meaning that less than 48 hours after the thread opened, we've gotten over 25 pages?

Because if you think that I can read 40+ pages' worth of content...I can't.

So y'all got some explainin' to do and I need a summary of important things 'cause I'm not reading all that shit.

Catch me up on important claims, important events, etc. as if I were a replacement, re-ask any questions you may have of me, etc. because if it was important and it happened prior to this page, I'm not gonna see it.

[LavosCore]

Guillotina has requested replacement.
Please do not discuss replacements.

[Dwlee99]

To summarize to Mastina:
I got wagoned. A scum ability voted me (in vote count it shows up as dDroo with a bunch more o's). Wagon sort of faltered then picked back up. People eventually started wagoning robert/roden/guillo and now it seems people have landed on t3. At some point we also came to the conclusion that Gamma got his vote stolen (which I think might be what is powering Droo).