Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[Amy Dunne]

@Chloe do you have any theories on who most likely killed RCE? I have some thoughts on that but so far no one is really saying too much about it.

[Lady Chloe]

@Chloe do you have any theories on who most likely killed RCE? I have some thoughts on that but so far no one is really saying too much about it.

T3 crossed my mind.

He presents like a deer in headlights, and exclusively listed RCEnigma as town prior to the NK.

I think it's a potential frame, though. Tis why I've let Dunnstral and Dwlee to champion that pledge alone until I see more.

[Lady Chloe]

And pardon me, the toucan is showing his beak today.

I must have left my heels off when I threatened Cheeky and Dwlee.

[Jingle]

Never feel bad about asking me questions.

What is your favourite position?

Spoiler:

I'm asking about football (soccer). If we played a game of soccer.. what would be your favourite position?

This may be a bit controversial, but I've always preferred standing. I'm not a huge fan of sitting or lying down in soccer.

[Jingle]

Vote Count Normal.2.02

T3 (E-4):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99

Dwlee99 (E-4):

CheekyTeeky, Ircher

Radical Rat (E-5):

House

House (E-5):

Radical Rat

CheekyTeeky (E-5):

Lady Chloe

Dunnstral (E-6):

Ircher (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (4):

Amy Dunne

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.2.01

Radical Rat (E-6):

House

House (E-6):

Radical Rat

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

Lady Chloe

RCEnigma (E-7):

Dunnstral (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Ircher

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (8):

With 12 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-12 18:30:00).

[CheekyTeeky]

Lady can you write a simple question I can answer I can't make beaks or tails of what you're getting at. Like if you think I'm scum what are you trying to convince me you're town?

[CheekyTeeky]

Why*

[mastina]

(also, while I'm home, I'm not really here yet--I'll be catching up and replying later, but in my phoneposting, I somehow hit an option that gives me nonstop constant emails every time someone posts, which is obviously not something I wanted enabled, so I needed to log in and disable it. I think it was hitting bookmark or subscribe or something but I undid it I think so I think my email will not get spammed anymore)

Sorry, gonna need to delay this.

Most of what I want to do requires EITHER:
-Rereading the thread and formulating responses to things that I didn't respond to on my phone,
OR:
-Thinking critically about the game and analyzing who is more likely to be town/scum/etc. across two games, where, when, etc.

I've been feeling REALLY badly fatigued today. It's possible I'll have a miraculous recovery of lucidity where I can suddenly start thinking and turning my brain back on but unless that happens, well...I was literally struggling to not fall asleep at the keyboard while watching my favorite streamer.

Favorite

streamer, and I almost felt asleep at the keyboard. So like...I'm tired. I'm mentally dead. Today's been very very physically exhausting to me for whatever reason.

I'll try to make my workload tomorrow be less tho by covering more things tonight:

(On that note: House is conftown for not having shown up btw.)

Why would that make anyone confitown?

House not showing up means he couldn't have contributed to the scum PT overnight. While it's

possible

to contribute in advance (actions submitted before night) and it's

possible

for scumbuddies to submit without him, he's probably just town for using the same tell I was.

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-0):

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99

So I'm a wagon analyzer (what I've called it) and my result was that the wagon had 4 alignment differences between voters on MegA. I'm just trying to confirm if it includes demon lord, but that's a pretty colourful wagon ^.^

I'm too tired to do proper analysis here but I think that this conftowns House, barring a town Demon Lord claim. (Since a Demon Lord won't claim tho, House should be conftown from it.)

From there, the options for the remaining three are:
-House->me->Cheeky (2/3) (would require me to not be town tho obv and still would leave a final alignment change--for instance, if the change was at RR then RR and Dwlee would both be scum; if the change was at Dwlee then Dwlee would be scum)
-me->Cheeky->T3 (2/3) (would require Cheeky to not be town tho in spite of this being Cheeky giving the result--seems kinda ridiculous)
-Cheeky->T3->RR->Dwlee (3/3) (would mean T3 and Dwlee are scum I think?)

I might not be thinking of all the possibilities but my townreads on T3/Dwlee do not override the chance of there being scum there.

I'm pretty sure that if you assume Cheeky is town here, then the only possible nontown are {mastina, T3, Dwlee} here?

Again, might be not thinking, should be more lucid to give it a better thought runthrough.

But I think that regardless, Dwlee might be confscum here?
VOTE: Dwlee99
Not sure, feel free to correct me, am tired, not thinking at full capacity, but I think that it has to fit regardless of your thoughts elsewhere.

So T3 or RR likely middle scum. House could be scum and Dwlee definitely scum.

I might be overlooking in my tiredness the RR scum world, I can't figure the math out there right now but that's probably where I am flawed in thinking.

[Almost50]

House's blood looks delicious, I do say.

Which game? (This IS starting to confuse me a bit)

[Almost50]

I'm afraid to have more players I'd like to declare war on than signing a peace treaty with.

That's OK.. I guess. Assuming 6 scums (3 in each game) that's already 50% of one game and more than half in the other, and that's if you're dead certain. Now add the unsure slots and you can suspect almost everyone in one game or the other.

[Almost50]

VOTE: House

A bit of OMGUS, but even if it weren't on me, I don't like him showing up just to drop a naked vote

I am probably going to wait for him to explain why he voted you twice. I would not have had a problem if he either voted you once (for both games) or voted RCE second (meaning he's voting you in the Normal because RCE is already dead in that).

[Almost50]

You do need to be careful to time the hammer IMMEDIATELY after a votecount where the demon lord is not on the wagon (and I do mean IMMEDIATELY, as in, within 30 seconds or so), as to make sure the demon lord isn't on the wagon and doesn't have time to join, but it's still doable.

Well, I won't be the one doing that for sure, because it takes me about that long (30 seconds) to post even once, so it gives the Demon Lord a full minute to hammer in the Theme

[Almost50]

So I'm a wagon analyzer (what I've called it) and my result was that the wagon had 4 alignment differences between voters on MegA. I'm just trying to confirm if it includes demon lord, but that's a pretty colourful wagon ^.^

I sure hope it does, because if it doesn't it means we have TWO different 3P alignments (I've excluded 2 Mafia squads because of the No Kill)

[Almost50]

I think it's likely Dwlee is scum in B, could be A,B but I think that's unlikely so VOTE: Dunnstral instead. If Dwlee is scum in B, Lady probably is too.

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You have a result.. and it says 4 different alignments were ON the wagon... so you vote OFF the wagon????

[T3]

mastina has some strange logic at times.

Yes but her logic sometimes works to set up a game state that is good for town.

[Almost50]

I will be told how many time 2 sequential votes are different. Like town scum town = 2
Town town scum scum = 1

And the demon vote alignment is considered in the result.

If we assume House & mastina are truly Town this means T3 + Dwlee are confirmed "Non-Town"

Like..

Lord Demon

/

1st switch

/

House, mastina, CT

/

2nd switch

/T3/

3rd switch

/

RR

/

4th switch

/Dwlee

@CT: Can you please try to paraphrase the exact role? Like .. how it works.. "you may analyze the lim wagon and get told how many sequential alignment switches"??

[Lady Chloe]

Lady can you write a simple question I can answer I can't make beaks or tails of what you're getting at. Like if you think I'm scum what are you trying to convince me you're town?

Why*

Because I do not believe it is impossible you are town in one game, and I have no intention of trying to convince you that I am town.

Simply, I do not believe your assessment of me is sound and I make that clear.

This pledging mechanic is a nightmare.

House's blood looks delicious, I do say.

Which game? (This IS starting to confuse me a bit)

I can't tell, but from a recent experience with House, I do not know if this is unlike town!him.

I'm afraid to have more players I'd like to declare war on than signing a peace treaty with.

That's OK.. I guess. Assuming 6 scums (3 in each game) that's already 50% of one game and more than half in the other, and that's if you're dead certain. Now add the unsure slots and you can suspect almost everyone in one game or the other.

Suspecting and not townreading are different, I have three relatively powerful purity reads outside of myself.

I believe most non-town are only a scoundrel in one game. For anyone who could be a scoundrel in more than one? I do not have the heart (confidence) to assert such.

[Almost50]

Basically there 2 scum on the wagon if Demon is scum and all 3 are on the wagon if Demon is town...I think?

If Demon is Town 2 Scum on the wagon still (but not next to each other)

Examples:

Demon,

(1)

House,

(2)

mastina, CheekyTeeky,

(3)

T3,

(4)

Radical Rat, Dwlee99

Demon, House,

(1)

mastina,

(2)

CheekyTeeky

,

(3)

T3,

(4)

Radical Rat, Dwlee99

Demon,

(1)

House,

(2)

mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3,

(3)

Radical Rat,

(4)

Dwlee99

So, basically 1 scum in mastina/House and another in T3/RR (THAT IS ASSUMING THE DEMON IS TOWN)

Demon, House,

(1)

mastina,

(2)

CheekyTeeky, T3,

(3)

Radical Rat,

(4)

Dwlee99

[Almost50]

Shit.. switch the last 2 lines for the correct format (the conclusion should be at the bottom)

[Almost50]

Basically if we lim Dwlee and he flips red we lim T3 and Demon is confirmed Scum controlled. If Dwlee flips Town Demon is confirmed a Town utility, and we have 2 lims in 2 pairs to net 2 scums.

VOTE: Dwlee

Sorry, mate, but your lim is so informative I can't go elsewhere

[Almost50]

So more likely 2 scum on and 1 off imo

EITHER WAY it's 2 Scums on the wagon. The question is WHICH 2.

[Almost50]

If demon is scum then hammerer is also scum. Hey Dwlee! *waves*

Correct. Dwlee and Demon are same alignment, yes.

[Lady Chloe]

VOTE: Dwlee

[Almost50]

Is Demon Lord even being counted in that, since it's not really a player slot?

Scummy, tbh. If Dwlee flips green I know whom I'm voting out of RR/T3

[Lady Chloe]

Almost50, are my posts unclear or is the game unclear?