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What's the opposite of a potato? Anti-potato?
...Unpotato.
I claim Unpotato. I want to try to keep a list of claims in my ISO, in case you are reading this in the faraway future of May 2023, this game in is Night 11, and you've just subbed in.-
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People's roles so far:
Gimli: Potato Propagandist, aligned with the Potato Tyranny
Aisa: Safeguarder of the universe against the Potato Tyranny
Herta: Yam-
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In post 17, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I noticed that as well. Could just be mind games? If anything I doubt N_M would be janitor and choose themself not to redact.In post 14, Marashu wrote: Besides memes, why would the meta janitor leave out N_M?
Right… which is why if anything I feel like not redacting themselves is exactly in their wheelhouse, don’t you think?In post 26, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Yeah, I know they can be a bit of a troll at times.In post 22, Aisa wrote: Kokichi Oma, have you played with N_M before?-
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Why is it scummy?In post 31, TemporalLich wrote: VOTE: Herta
Scum mindset, claiming miller instantly is scummy tactic-
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I think the value of a massclaim would depend to a large extent on the tradeoff between {telling scum who to kill / roleblock / mess with} and {better night action coordination / information / locking scum into a lie}, it seems very very dependent on the exact setup we have. Seems like it ultimately comes down to player preference and my preference is to not do it, but this is a democracy. I guess that if we mess up worst case we could still attempt to Mountainous the setup.
On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.-
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The way I see it, the earlier one claims pretty much anything during a day phase the better - less pre-existing info, less time to plan a claim. Why did you think this?In post 42, TemporalLich wrote:
Kinda thought you claim miller either late D1 or early D2In post 41, Gimli wrote:Claiming miller instantly is how you play miller, no?
Also maybe I'm starting to townread aisa, seems like a happy bunny that's towning the thread with bouncy energy
Claiming miller after a red check is too late however.-
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Who's had the best fun and games and memes so far?In post 54, Gimli wrote: I want fun and games and memes, massclaiming isn't any of these things and I'm not reading mech yet.. maybe some other time-
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Sorry, kinda busy today so you won’t get much from me but
Tell me more about this and what made you feel backed into overconfidence?In post 69, TemporalLich wrote: I got backed into overconfidence and backing down would be scummy-
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Now that's a scum mindsetIn post 134, Not_Mafia wrote: tbh I've forgotten my role this game and I'm going to keep it that way
*twinkle*In post 91, Gimli wrote:
You're all the game's fun so farIn post 56, Aisa wrote:
Who's had the best fun and games and memes so far?In post 54, Gimli wrote: I want fun and games and memes, massclaiming isn't any of these things and I'm not reading mech yet.. maybe some other time
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Ok sorry I repent I apologise for fishing for compliments
It could literally come from scum who has that role, haha. Actually that does raise an interesting question - if somebody from the largest groupscum group in the game were to get the Universal Miller card, how would the two interact? Let me see if Meg will answer this question.In post 129, Gimli wrote:
In other news, this claim seems way too specific to ever come from scum, and a cop check on herta.could be a good idea somewhere down the line to understand what kind of game we're playing.In post 58, Herta wrote:
This is fair. There's nothing scum gains here other than a heads up. It's a universal miller which means that my check returns the smallest faction that exists at the beginning of the game. Which I think will be useful to learn. I don't know what that faction is so I'm curious myself. So if there's a cop with a shot they don't have a good idea about, take it on me.In post 52, Aisa wrote: On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.-
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In post 78, TemporalLich wrote:Marashu doesn't seem scum
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
starting to see a scummy mindset again
pedit: your reaction test doesn't faze meIn post 97, TemporalLich wrote:
VIn post 94, Gimli wrote:What's the scummy mindset you're seeing?oting Marashu purely to wagon with no good reason...
not even sheeping could explain that
that was the main reason I wasn't going to make a lead rist immediatelyIn post 95, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:yeah that's the question
but even if he wanted to talk about people what was that about 1 not posting yet?
it just doesn't make sense
though it still is early D1 and lead rists are high effort for what is meant to be a non-serious setup
...Huh?In post 133, TemporalLich wrote: here is a lead rist for now
[Town]
Gimli - Town mindset, which can be discerned by towny posts appearing to be thoughtstreamed.
Herta - Way too gambity to be scum, despite the hasty claim.
Aisa - Good pushes.
KittyTacky - Seemingly townie.
Not_Mafia - Is Not_Mafia.
Enchant - Mostly RVS content, if not then setup spec.
narrow parking - An RVS vote and nothing else as of now.
Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu - No content as of now.
Yume - No content as of now except for a vote out of the blue.
Kyoko Kirigiri - Yeah idk.
Marashu - Seemingly not townie.
Kokichi Oma - Scummy mindset.
[Scum]
Why do the quotes look so much bigger than they did before the update? :'(-
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Oh my bad, Marashu had the same question about TL's change of read before I did lol.
Meg said that a groupscum universal miller would be allowed. So e.g. if the smallest groupscum group in this game were the Apparitions, a Universal Miller Apparition would be allowed, and would investigate as an Apparition to relevant investigatives. (Meg is awesome.)In post 142, Aisa wrote: Actually that does raise an interesting question - if somebody from thelargestsmallest groupscum group in the game were to get the Universal Miller card, how would the two interact? Let me see if Meg will answer this question.
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What's meh about the list to you?In post 138, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Just having a busy day. The list is pretty meh and I'm not sure what was his big fuss about "making a list" not making a list till that specific slot also posts stuff specially since in list its still "No content as of now"
whats "scummy mindset" with kokichi. can you elaborate on that read?-
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Spoiler: Re: discussion of Herta's role
Why not make some content yourself?In post 158, KittyTacky wrote:
It's the awkward period when RVS is over but there are still no leads. That's why is dead. Also I don't think there's much else to talk about, the list is pretty big as far as content goes so far.In post 141, Gimli wrote: VOTE: kyoko
Game is kind of dead and I get that, but you're still talking about lich's list and I think the focus on that is scummy-
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Surelythis is a legitimate claim. I feel like Herta is reproducing the ?confusion? of having an odd role very well - seems like it would be hard to reproduce if it were a fake claim.
Herta, have you thought about asking the mod to clarify how your role works?-
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Wait I'm dumb lol, I literally asked Meg yesterday? the day before? I believe my interpretation of how Universal Miller works is the correct one.
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Kiinda working on a Lich case, but I'll think about it after I'm done writing that-
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Here is why I think we should wagon Lich:
- The change of read on Marashu (compare 1a-1b to 2)
--- Their explanation doesn't convince me. Just matches my model of how scum who gets caught on an inconsistency reacts.
- Their explanation for why they felt backed into overconfidence wasn't actually an explanation, they just sort of... restated when they felt backed into overconfidence.
- The lead rist just seems kinda strange in general. 1. why say that you need Fuyuhiko to post given several other slots also haven't posted much of note, and given you proceed to throw a nullbin on all these other slots anyway? 2.
- Kokichi's posts feel like they have ulterior motives? That's kind of vague. What are the ulterior motives?
Would love to hear any thoughts or see anyone jumping on the wagon-
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I kinda wanna stick with Lich as there's more actually scummy stuff there. I'll give you, Herta, that Fuyuhiko could be posting more, and I don't think the post where they ask you why you didn't claim looks amazingly aware of the game. And lurking is always a bit scummy, imo. But, who knows.
You could try reading my case on TemporalLich above and tell me what you thinkIn post 165, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Hi I’m incredibly lost, what’s going on?-
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*maybe they're just struggling to get into the game.In post 182, Aisa wrote: But, who knows*.-
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WhatIn post 167, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I don't feel like what Herta has done was worse than what Lich has done so far overall and I'm not voting them yet either. I just want to point out observations objectively. W-Why are you being so mean to me?In post 160, Gimli wrote: I'm also feeling uneasy by kokichi but I'll try to re-read parts of the game and see if I can write some words about it. I thought it was peculiar that kokichi decided to position in my favour when herta scumread me for asking about the setup, but he didn't push herta for it or anything, so it seemed like just posturing which may or may not be uncharacteristic for kokichi.
isyour read on Herta?-
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I feel like the post you quoted is pretty self contained.In post 191, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
Why did you think this, and also, why are you trying to act like my question is off when you said this?In post 52, Aisa wrote: I think the value of a massclaim would depend to a large extent on the tradeoff between {telling scum who to kill / roleblock / mess with} and {better night action coordination / information / locking scum into a lie}, it seems very very dependent on the exact setup we have. Seems like it ultimately comes down to player preference and my preference is to not do it, but this is a democracy. I guess that if we mess up worst case we could still attempt to Mountainous the setup.
On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.
I made the statement about Herta full claiming because I noted they didn't full claim and felt confused by that, but I don't really see the fact the claim was not initially full as AI. Iyour question was a bit off because it didn't demonstrate awareness of this conversation that Herta and I had. Why did you use the wording "act like"?feel like-
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My reads:In post 323, Kokichi Oma wrote:
What are your reads and what do you think of Enchant vs Kirigiri last few pagesIn post 320, Aisa wrote: Catching up now, if anyone wants to talk
Some shade of a townread on you, Marashu, Herta, and Gimli.
Still suspicious of Lich.
Enchant vs Kirigiri:
- This is definitely not a game where everyone is guaranteed to roll VT!
- I don't really think saying you discarded a "vanilla townie" card rather than a "vanilla" card is AI. Or like, maybe it is, but I have no idea in what direction.
- I am *ahem* clearly not still salty about the last time I lost a game because of a similar reason, but people who soft need to be evaluated like everyone else, not just forgotten about because they softed something
- In fact there's plenty of other players who have been speaking of mechanics in slightly more or slightly less flawed ways - just off the top of my head, 1. Herta's claim, 2. Gimli seemingly being unaware of literally any detail in the setup, 3. you thinking everyone in the game will get a non-VT role. I sort of wonder why Enchant was drawn to comment on Kyoko specifically.-
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Happy birthday!In post 229, Doctor Drew wrote: Also yay, first post on my birthday!!
Any chance you can be a little more specific?In post 318, Gimli wrote:
i mean its a little over the top to be scum at some points, scumreads merging together, wants to do a reads list as soon as everyone posts etc. I don't see a person playing like them and think they're scum, but clearly it's pinging everyone else so maybe I'm wrong. it's not that I'm necessarily going like 'oh this is a nice towny post', it's more a sensation that it's a townslot.In post 315, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Can you tell me why Lich is townie to you at all?In post 254, Gimli wrote: locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.
I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.
My personal experience has just been that often the seemingly-scummy slots are actually scummy >.<-
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I wonder if the mighty Wizard-Mercenary will confirm this for us if I use enough cringey emojis to summon himIn post 330, Aisa wrote: - In fact there's plenty of other players who have been speaking of mechanics in slightly more or slightly less flawed ways - just off the top of my head, 1. Herta's claim, 2. Gimli seemingly being unaware of literally any detail in the setup, 3. you thinking everyone in the game will get a non-VT role. I sort of wonder why Enchant was drawn to comment on Kyoko specifically.-
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Summary of claims so far:
Herta
Pick: Universal Miller (Must Pick)
TemporalLich
Pick: Meta-Neighbour
Discard: Extension
Doctor Drew
Pick: Meta-Neighbour
Kyoko Kirigiri
Discard: Vanilla
Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
Discard: Vanilla
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Why not? Scum have to fake some paranoia somewhere.In post 336, Gimli wrote:
I'll try. Sometimes I townread things I don't fully understand.In post 331, Aisa wrote:
Happy birthday!In post 229, Doctor Drew wrote: Also yay, first post on my birthday!!
Any chance you can be a little more specific?In post 318, Gimli wrote:
i mean its a little over the top to be scum at some points, scumreads merging together, wants to do a reads list as soon as everyone posts etc. I don't see a person playing like them and think they're scum, but clearly it's pinging everyone else so maybe I'm wrong. it's not that I'm necessarily going like 'oh this is a nice towny post', it's more a sensation that it's a townslot.In post 315, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Can you tell me why Lich is townie to you at all?In post 254, Gimli wrote: locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.
I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.
My personal experience has just been that often the seemingly-scummy slots are actually scummy >.<
For instance, lich's response to the miller claim is calling it scum, scum tactics and scum mindset. Do I get it? No I don't get it. But why would scum be faking this level of paranoia?
HmmmThen there's... His whole ISO kind of looks like that. So many scumreads, and I think I disagree with most if not all of them? Or at least the reasoning. But I have a feeling of that presence that's trying to understand the game and it just feels town. The excessive self awareness in some posts is also too unbelievable. Scum wouldn't be this upfront with looking scummy?
just re-ISOed TL and I don't see anything scum couldn't fake. Do I remember someone else bringing up that TL's reasoning for scumreading Kokichi is consistent?
OK. Let's analyse:
Spoiler:
I see, like, 2 ideas repeated:
1. Kokichi is scum, plus generic accusations like he "clearly wants to cause a mislim" and "is a powerwolf"
2. Kokichi and Kyoko are aligned
It's not that much work to keep track of these two ideas and keep repeating them, so I think I disagree with the conclusion that TL's posting so far is sufficient to prove he has a consistent thought process.-
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Ooh right, that could very well be the case!In post 396, Marashu wrote:
To my understanding Doctor Drew didn't pick Meta-Neighbour; by TL picking it, Doctor Drew's slot was brought into the neighbourhood.In post 394, Aisa wrote: Summary of claims so far:
Herta
Pick: Universal Miller (Must Pick)
TemporalLich
Pick: Meta-Neighbour
Discard: Extension
Doctor Drew
Pick: Meta-Neighbour
Kyoko Kirigiri
Discard: Vanilla
Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
Discard: Vanilla
Enchant
Discard: Untopped Post Restrictor
I guess that if you think it's best to massclaim I'm willing to go with it!In post 398, Marashu wrote: I'm debating whether I should force the claim issue or wait a day to prove myself. I will say I have a role that is difficult for scum to interfere with and works best when coordinated with town. I have a back-up plan if we decide to not coordinate.
I wanna toss my name in the hat as someone who wouldn't mind some time to look at other slots, sorry, I realise I've been contributing to the problem of lots of attention on TL so far. I'll talk to someone else.In post 400, Gimli wrote: the consistency was brought up by kyoko (who is also scumreading TL)
I'm feeling like herta in that I don't townread TL enough to stop a flip and I'll gladly eliminate him cause it feels like it'll be a constant distraction if town cause I don't think his posts will sway anyone that is currently SRing him
...Tomorrow. After I sleep-
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~Fancy prodge with promise of more content tomorrow~
Rain seems slightly more useful than snow, I'm not sure about rain vs hail, maybe slight lean hail.
Tell me a bit more about why they're scummy? Do you have any other reads? How likely do you think TL is to flip scum?In post 339, KittyTacky wrote: I got distracted. Honestly yeah, TL's page 10 posts are scummy imo.
VOTE: TemporalLich-
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Did you ever reach a conclusion on this?In post 228, Doctor Drew wrote: There was something I didn't like about Kitty's early posting, but changed my tuned as I kept skimming, will revisit that as I read the thread again.-
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What did you originally not like?In post 531, Doctor Drew wrote:
I did not actually, got a bit caught up on the TL situation, kind of forgot about them.In post 530, Aisa wrote:
Did you ever reach a conclusion on this?In post 228, Doctor Drew wrote: There was something I didn't like about Kitty's early posting, but changed my tuned as I kept skimming, will revisit that as I read the thread again.-
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Yeah this is a hard game currently, I kinda waver between eliminating someone who is not posting and someone who is posting. I usually don't like eliminating for high information but I also worry that if we do e.g. KittyTacky, then tomorrow will be a repeat of today.
Though we earn an extra yeet if the game is nightless for a couple nights. That seems pretty good, much more robustly useful than either Rain or Snow I think.
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I do have some faith that the lower volume posters will give us some more AI content in time, and they may not be an *easy* read but I think that we may be able to take a reasonable guess eventually.
Doesn't really help resolve today though hmmm-
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Re: Fuyuhiko, FWIW I thought this seemed like a skillful response to my question. Super envy the at-least outward complete cool if they're scum.In post 343, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
I said “act like” because I saw what seemed like you trying to shade me for what you already were doingIn post 329, Aisa wrote:
I feel like the post you quoted is pretty self contained.In post 191, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
Why did you think this, and also, why are you trying to act like my question is off when you said this?In post 52, Aisa wrote: I think the value of a massclaim would depend to a large extent on the tradeoff between {telling scum who to kill / roleblock / mess with} and {better night action coordination / information / locking scum into a lie}, it seems very very dependent on the exact setup we have. Seems like it ultimately comes down to player preference and my preference is to not do it, but this is a democracy. I guess that if we mess up worst case we could still attempt to Mountainous the setup.
On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.
I made the statement about Herta full claiming because I noted they didn't full claim and felt confused by that, but I don't really see the fact the claim was not initially full as AI. Iyour question was a bit off because it didn't demonstrate awareness of this conversation that Herta and I had. Why did you use the wording "act like"?feel like
As for not showing awareness of the conversation, yea I wasn’t aware of this post at the time I asked about Herta’s claim situation. I catch up stream-of-consciousness style I would say.
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I still just want the Litchi Lichen out today really, still think some of their posting makes no sense, is pretty easy and I actually scumread.
As opposed to Yume or KT where I'm like *shrug* could be scum I guess
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Oh right, and: too scummy to be scum doesn't really do much for me. Thanks for explaining though Gimli.-
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Maybe not aligned but in a hood together, but yes, I think this is a possibility too. Though I'm not sure why they move *so much* in lockstep, I guess that probably actually doesn't prove much except that they were online at a similar time. Even if you're both planning a reaction test you don't exactly need to coordinate it down to the minute.In post 698, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: They could be aligned? I don’t think it was *that* coordinated though.
But yeah overall I think that "??wtf is this obvious bait??" is the right way to think about it.-
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Assuming you're talking about that comment I made last gameday. I did look at a few other posters, but settled back onto TL because I townleaned a lot of the active posters. I still think the main thing is getting a read on some of the more lurky slots. I wouldn't quite call Fuyuhiko and Kyoko lurky but I also haven't thought a lot about them. I think there can quite easily be a lot of scum in {KT, NM, Kyoko, Fuyuhiko, Drew}, the thing is figuring out if that's the right read of the gamestate.In post 737, Marashu wrote: Aisa, did you ever get a chance to look at anyone else? Where are you at right now?
In post 691, KittyTacky wrote: Yume should have claimed when people called for them to be vigged.
This seems a bit... revisionistic? LAMISTy? I'd like to know what Kitty thinks they-re accomplishing with this.In post 692, KittyTacky wrote: Especially as an invest. Sigh.
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Is she talking about your action with that post though? I feel like she may be softing some other kind of roleIn post 755, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
Hang the fuck onIn post 711, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: any ways eno ugh soft clai ming
I can full claim end of day. Thin king ab out it
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Of what kind, dear Miltank? Are you and Enchant in a hood?In post 669, Not_Mafia wrote: I have a guilty on Doctor Drew-
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Lol, do you see a bunny when you look in the mirror in the morning?In post 752, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I suppose I am a bit more weary of the Miller claim right now from Herta. N_M is well.. N_M so I'm not sure what to think about that slot. I was kinda hoping that would have been the vig shot.In post 737, Marashu wrote: Aisa, did you ever get a chance to look at anyone else? Where are you at right now?
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I probably shouldn't be sheeped on this, but I think he's a little towny overall. He seems interested in the game, is commenting on the kind of things I would expect him to comment on, I can generally see where he's coming from (e.g. in this post).In post 772, Marashu wrote:[...]
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. What do you make of Enchant right now? [...]In post 762, Aisa wrote:
Assuming you're talking about that comment I made last gameday. I did look at a few other posters, but settled back onto TL because I townleaned a lot of the active posters. I still think the main thing is getting a read on some of the more lurky slots. I wouldn't quite call Fuyuhiko and Kyoko lurky but I also haven't thought a lot about them. I think there can quite easily be a lot of scum in {KT, NM, Kyoko, Fuyuhiko, Drew}, the thing is figuring out if that's the right read of the gamestate.In post 737, Marashu wrote: Aisa, did you ever get a chance to look at anyone else? Where are you at right now?
Hmm, what would she get by doing that though? Seems like a silly thing to pretend, there's no way she doesn't get found out - if she thought that the person you targeted would get notified, then she would be expecting to get CC'd. I don't think that's her intention.In post 768, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
she's clearly fragmenting her posts in a way to play around my roleIn post 763, Aisa wrote:
Is she talking about your action with that post though? I feel like she may be softing some other kind of roleIn post 755, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
Hang the fuck onIn post 711, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: any ways eno ugh soft clai ming
I can full claim end of day. Thin king ab out it
Why are you acting like this? I wouldn’t have been able to target you, and you wouldn’t even know if I had!
I legitimately submitted no action last night. So for her to be acting like I targeted her is shady as fuck to me.
Also, clearly claiming my role early on was a fucking mistake.
I think that regardless of her alignment she's having a play around with the fact that she is aware of your role. I don't think there are many universes in which she's actually like "ha ha let me pretend Fuyuhiko targeted me", that doesn't really go successfully in any case.-
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@Kyoko, sounds like you know Fuyuhiko. What do you think is town-indicative about Fuyu's posting?In post 792, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:Spoiler:
I actually believe you have this role now so my small test worked
I also love how you're furious. It looks genuine
Now tell me what you think of how others reacted to your sudden push on me?
Can you also tell me what kind of reactions you were envisioning with your test?
Meanwhile,
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It's more that I at least townlean everyone else! Feel free to ask about a couple specific players if you want more details.In post 780, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Why these 5?In post 762, Aisa wrote: I think there can quite easily be a lot of scum in {KT, NM, Kyoko, Fuyuhiko, Drew}, the thing is figuring out if that's the right read of the gamestate.
What do you think of Yume as a vig shot?In post 781, Kokichi Oma wrote:
That I'm glad TL was getting elim'd cause I assumed scum. And cause N_M is usually the designated vig target since he's pretty much barely posting as either alignment, so rather a shot there to potentially get scum.In post 765, Aisa wrote: Can you tell us a bit more about what you were thinking when you hammered TL? Why were you hoping NM would be the vig shot?
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Sounds like you're >rand 3P yourselfIn post 823, Gimli wrote: BUT YOU'RE A 3P THO
I wanted to both get my answer and apply pressure and couldn't be bothered to wait for my answer before applying pressureIn post 843, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Why this vote when you asked for answer right before voting?In post 841, Aisa wrote: @Kyoko, sounds like you know Fuyuhiko. What do you think is town-indicative about Fuyu's posting?
Can you also tell me what kind of reactions you were envisioning with your test?
Meanwhile,
VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
Drew has felt like a mixed bag, there was some stuff in his ISO that I thought looked towny. Nothing impossible to fake I guess, but I like the reaction to the fake guilty, felt like the right amount of indignation, plausibly town.In post 844, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Well drew has 3 votes on him right now and is in that group of 5. Why not vote him instead? Or do you not scumread him as much? What's your reasoning?In post 842, Aisa wrote: It's more that I at least townlean everyone else! Feel free to ask about a couple specific players if you want more details.
It also just didn't register that Drew had three votes on him, nor would that have made me more likely to vote there-
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That's not how it works, ok?In post 845, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Yume wasn't doing anything so I think the vig shot was fine. Explained that earlierIn post 842, Aisa wrote: What do you think of Yume as a vig shot?
Thanks for the answers so far, sorry for the ongoing interrogation
You're supposed to give some indication of if you realised that it was discussed at the end of yesterday who KT would shoot T_T
I don't think it was a really obvious shade campaign. You've said that it was shady to you that Kyoko acted like she was targeted by you. I'm saying: I don't think she was trying to imply that you targeted her specifically, I think she was going for more of a "ha I am aware that this role is in the game" vibe.In post 856, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
I don’t particularly like how you’re handling this. What is suspicious to you about me trying to cut off what came across as an obvious shade campaign at the time?In post 841, Aisa wrote:
@Kyoko, sounds like you know Fuyuhiko. What do you think is town-indicative about Fuyu's posting?In post 792, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:Spoiler:
I actually believe you have this role now so my small test worked
I also love how you're furious. It looks genuine
Now tell me what you think of how others reacted to your sudden push on me?
Can you also tell me what kind of reactions you were envisioning with your test?
Meanwhile,
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I've touched on this slightly, but I voted Fuyuhiko partly to vote someone. This seemed like quite a cautious playerlist in that everyone was talking a lot and asking questions, but not voting much. If you ignore NM and Enchant. Idk, it made sense in my head at the time, so I thought I would try to contribute to making something happen.In post 937, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:In post 840, Aisa wrote: Hmm, what would she get by doing that though? Seems like a silly thing to pretend, there's no way she doesn't get found out - if she thought that the person you targeted would get notified, then she would be expecting to get CC'd. I don't think that's her intention.
I think that regardless of her alignment she's having a play around with the fact that she is aware of your role. I don't think there are many universes in which she's actually like "ha ha let me pretend Fuyuhiko targeted me", that doesn't really go successfully in any case.
ok this is weirdIn post 841, Aisa wrote:
@Kyoko, sounds like you know Fuyuhiko. What do you think is town-indicative about Fuyu's posting?In post 792, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:Spoiler:
I actually believe you have this role now so my small test worked
I also love how you're furious. It looks genuine
Now tell me what you think of how others reacted to your sudden push on me?
Can you also tell me what kind of reactions you were envisioning with your test?
Meanwhile,
VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
how you got from those arguments and questions to vote fuyuhiko?
what gave the impression that I "know fuyuhiko". Also wy you asking about what is "town indicative" in his posting? burden of proof is if you wanna work on a scumread, to find for reasons to scum read someone.
this just doesn't make sense.
As for your question, I am pretty much null on the slot. I think them claiming their true role outright was town + and I'm happy with how they reacted so far about me playing with that claim.
But I do also think Fuyuhiko deserves more attention. I've played with people for whom getting "furious" and OMGUSing is a scumtell. You both have danganronpa characters for usernames and you said that you were going to play with friends in the queue and you sound familiar with him when you say things like "I like this reaction from you" (not a direct quote).
Are you telling me to find reasons to vote Fuyuhiko rather than ask you to give me reasons? Sure, if you're town, I get where that comes from. But there is also such a thing as asking someone for a second opinion on a slot. and I'll work on a case when I am confident enough on something that I think it's worth pushing.
The point about them claiming their true role is a good point, I'll give you-
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Hmmm - actually, I see mixed content ISOing Fuyuhiko. I think the interactions with TL early on look consistent. The push on me and the general reaction to Kyoko thoughhhh
In post 203, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
this is probably the smartest approach anyone's had to the miller claimIn post 85, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Millers ave to claim right away. its the way it works
My question (maybe just out of curiosity) is why would anyone choose to be miller
like whats, the other option that they actually discarded that was worse. That's why I actually have some considerations about believing the miller claim
and I am acknowledging that there are reason to pick it that were stated
These examples of two posts I like. I particularly like the idea that consistent pressure is town indicating. I probably agree?In post 211, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
this feels disingenuousIn post 141, Gimli wrote: VOTE: kyoko
Game is kind of dead and I get that, but you're still talking about lich's list and I think the focus on that is scummy
I think Kyoko makes good points, and aside from that consistent pressure in this scenario I think is actually town-indicating.
HmmIn post 866, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
This feels weakIn post 806, KittyTacky wrote: I don't like having the fate of the game in my hands so I'd rather sheep people I think are town.
Why don’t you have faith in your reads?
Do you think this is scum indicative, Fuyuhiko?
I didn't see this earlier. Your posting is consistent, which is a slightly good sign I think, though the concern was always more that you were trying to attribute motivations to Kyoko that weren't there or trying to come across like you were misinterpreting them.In post 879, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
Now that I’ve spelled out my logic, do you still think my reaction makes no sense?In post 840, Aisa wrote: Hmm, what would she get by doing that though? Seems like a silly thing to pretend, there's no way she doesn't get found out - if she thought that the person you targeted would get notified, then she would be expecting to get CC'd. I don't think that's her intention.
I think that regardless of her alignment she's having a play around with the fact that she is aware of your role. I don't think there are many universes in which she's actually like "ha ha let me pretend Fuyuhiko targeted me", that doesn't really go successfully in any case.
I need sleep, so I'll think more about this tomorrow-
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Sorry for disappearing; it's been a long 48 hours. I'd like to see if there's anything I can do to change your minds here. I think that to people who know my playstyle I should be findable as town. Though there's a few people I've never played with in this game, hopefully some of it carries over. Something that's helped me in the past is just talking directly to the people who were voting me; I'll gladly discuss anything you want with you.-
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That's not what I'm saying. I agree she was clearly referencing your role. Maybe she was even clearly referencing your role. Here is all the background to this discussion:In post 1069, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
what do you have to suggestIn post 1028, Aisa wrote: I don't think it was a really obvious shade campaign. You've said that it was shady to you that Kyoko acted like she was targeted by you. I'm saying: I don't think she was trying to imply that you targeted her specifically, I think she was going for more of a "ha I am aware that this role is in the game" vibe.it wasn't specific to me
like you thought Kyoko knew me earlier right? That doesn't mesh with this assertion imo.
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You said: "Hang on, Kyoko, why are you acting like I targeted you?"
I said: "Doesn't sound to me like she's implying that you targeted her. I think she's just acting like she thinks you might have targetedsomeone."
You said: "She is structuring her posts to play around my role. She is acting like I targeted her."
I agree that she was playing around your role. I disagree that she wasacting like you targeted her with your night action.
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I said: "I don't think she gets anything out of pretending you targeted her."
You said: "Do you still think my reaction makes no sense?"
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- I don't like the Herta wagon, think they're pretty Towny. The sparknotes version is that they don't really seem like they have an agenda to me, like I don't think they're actually trying to push through any elimination and sometimes seem content to just chill in thread, and I think this is town-indicative for them.
- Also doubtful on Doctor Drew. I'm less sure of this because I've never played with them before*. It's kind of a gut read, but they seem to be coming from a place of genuinely trying to scumhunt.
- I also support Hail. I don't think Rain or Snow would be much use. If we all claim and use Snow, scum could probably kill in the pool of people who were supposed to be targeted. If we use Rain, one member of the scumteam can just a role that can visit, then go and do the kill.
- Vigging NM sounds good; I would also be fine with giving Kitty a pool of people to shoot.
Things I'm planning to do tomorrow after some sleep include: responding to Marashu, towncasing Doctor Drew and Herta by quoting the posts instead of being vague.
Is anyone else interested in Fuyuhiko? That's the slot I most want right now. Could people explain why they actually townread that slot?
Maybe throw in Kokichi into the scum bucket for just voting me by quoting Marashu's post instead of giving any original justification.
*this is a lie, we actually were briefly together in a game in 2019 (sorry to not have brought it up earlier, Doctor, lol), I'm just assuming it's no longer relevant.-
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What does this mean? Which one is the wagon? Which one is the counter wagon? Why is it good?In post 1090, Herta wrote: Counter wagon good.
Thing is I don't know if Rain or Snow are much better. You don't know that we're going to end up with two dead townies (unless you do), and if you think the current candidates are bad, please do suggest alternativesIn post 1098, Herta wrote: Using hail again seems to me not a good play. This game lacks information, and part of that is because no one was able to do anything last night. So we're going to end up with two dead townies probably and no more information than we have today except for that. And unless those two players have a lot of associations, we're going essentially on the same information tomorrow as we have today. And that puts us that much closer to elo, if not in elo, and that's that.
Does that make any sense?
As for an alternative, I don't have one. I was just thinking about hail today.-
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How do you feel about this instead?
Kyoko, unless you demonstrate at the earliest opportunity that you are not a threat, I will vote you
I don't think tomorrow should be ELO normally. I assume two groupscums of 3 each are about the limit of what "balance" will permit? So if we eliminate once and Kitty shoots one, that puts us in 3-3-3 tomorrow.
...yeah ok right, the situation could be dire, but I wonder if it's still worth weighing against just leaving Kyoko alive and letting her confirm herself-
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Oh, good point, we shouldn't hammer anyone until Marashu confirms he has used his ability.-
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Not Mafia's claim is weird. I entertained it for a moment at the start of the day, but yeah, can anything actually get past Hail?
Also, Not Mafia sweetheart, you realise that if scum are so inclined, you are not any less likely to get smoked because you claimed a "gunsmith equivalent" than if you full claimed your role?-
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