Mini 2292: Anything uPick - Game Over!

[kuribo]

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[kuribo]

Qhy am I having an existential crisis in a mafia game

because it beats having an existential crisis outside of a mafia game

let it out and lean into the "cringe" if that's what brings you peace of mind, we find our life preservers in the strangest places and all of them are valid. whether it's expressing yourself in a silly game, or sleeping on the beach, or basically anything really

hi to everyone i've played with any everyone i haven't

[kuribo]

I am all for murder murder kill kill

what are you, me circa 2012

so basically wavelength marashu kuribo, cause we can expect amici and pink to cross vote here.

i don't do rvs and i will vote when i'm good and ready and not until. come on, you know this.

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[kuribo]

This isn't RVS. I caught scum let's go beep beep.

yes but i've got like eight pages to read and i wanna look at the whole pink ball SAS thing

[kuribo]

Yeah, if that was a dayvig it was just bad, now there will just even less info to be gained from our slot's green flip

i dunno tho this post does feel forced

like, you know good and well that's not a dayvig so why pretend

[kuribo]

If someone can help me getting rid of the background of my avatar I'd be eternally grateful

it's what like two frames, shouldn't be hard to open up both frames, delete the background by color selection and then put the gif back together

[kuribo]

are we still at even wagons?

cakez, stop posting cats and post a vc

the mod cannot stop posting cats

the mod as at the mercy of his animal overlords

OINK

[kuribo]

ooooh, LLD was telling the truth about the doublevote, this is a spicy meatball

OINK

[kuribo]

ooooh, LLD was telling the truth about the doublevote, this is a spicy meatball

OINK

Aren't most meatballs made from pork?

beef actually

a pork and beef combination makes for good meatloaf, but we're not making meatloaf here

[kuribo]

I thought Italian meatballs were pork based

quick google tells me it's a combination of pork, beef, and sometimes veal

[kuribo]

i wanna look at the whole pink ball SAS thing

so coupla thoughts on this:

I do believe that SAS believes his case on Pink Ball. i don't agree with SAS's conclusion necessarily, but it's worth noting that i think it's an argument made in earnest

I don't like pink's initial attempt to handwave it by saying that it was just an excuse to park an RVS vote. that's a lot of effort to go through just to park an RVS vote.

It's not an airtight case, maybe not even a good one, but it's there nonetheless. I don't think scum has anything to gain by throwing out a BS case right off the bat. Especially to use it as an excuse to "park their vote."

[kuribo]

Fine.
We are a JoaT with three abilities.

• a watcher shot
  
• a FlavorCop shot. We can chooce a target an discover their Flavor
  
• a shot of some sort of investigative that discover whether or not the target is "wicked". The PM uses that word, and doesn't clarify further.

~b

But what ARE you?

What's your flavor here?

[kuribo]

We are Gnome Ann.

I want your reads.

[kuribo]

We are Gnome Ann.

I want your reads.

And I want the flavor for your abilities

[kuribo]

If Marashu does flip wolf I'm probably clearing wave on the spot ya

Same, had both and kuribo on my lowest tier, but Wave and Marashu are never scum together and Wave’s daystart is promising

*sigh*

*cracks knuckles*

Okay let's do this then. Explain.

[kuribo]

And is there a reason we're assuming someone was rolestopped rather than the disappearance being a janitor kill?

[kuribo]

@LLD quack quack


But also

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[kuribo]

I didn’t like your interactions with Amici, seemed fencesitting at best. You had chances of either voting them or defending them but you did neither. Lowkey shading them without commiting

I was asking them questions and they got two votes on them to hammer before I got an answer

But sure you can pretend otherwise if it gets you out of this

[kuribo]

I could literally point you to sixteen years worth of my town games where I'm feeling things out on day one

Hell, I used to exclusively replace into games just because I've never liked day one

[kuribo]

"I want your reads" was a demand under threat of my vote. I wanted their reads on record.

Your 1v1 did a good job of convincing me that SAS is town so I guess you accomplished something on there

[kuribo]

If you're going to rely on meta on why I should be townreading you and we have never played together, why do I have to feel stupid for scumreading you?

I mean how you feel about being wrong is entirely on you

[kuribo]

"I want your reads" was a demand under threat of my vote. I wanted their reads on record.

Yes, but you had your chance for asking for their reads before

Sure, and so did anyone else but for some reason nobody thought to

You're throwing shade at me because I asked a player about to be eliminated for their reads so that we'd have them if they flipped scum? That's so weird.

[kuribo]

But sure you can pretend otherwise if it gets you out of this

This is what I mean kuribo

That's not fence sitting, I catch scum by waiting for them to come at me and then interacting with them. And I've been wondering if you and SAS was you being scum caught for the wrong reason

Of course you'll probably claim OMGUS but that's because you've never seen how many times I've caught scum by waiting for them to turn their attention to me.

[kuribo]

You all come out to see that no one has died last night...

However, Kokichi Oma has mysteriously disappeared!

Do we think that these two things combine to mean that Kokichi is coming back?

The explicit "no one has died last night" feels different then "you don't get to see this flip"

SO mechanics I've seen on this...

Either Kokichi is back tomorrow, or they're back when we treat the kidnapper like Link treats pots - smash the rupees outta them

That's why I asked why were assuming rolestop instead of janitor

In a full reveal game? A partial janitor isn't unlikely at all

[kuribo]

PB what does Kuribo have to gain by doing that play? What makes the potential gains of making this play better than the potential gains of like, not posting. If he's a wolf I doubt he even cares about the information he's asking for.
Why would Kuribo need to make a stance mid investigation.

Placing his vote in case the wagon gets to E-1 and nobody finish the job; calling them town in case the wagon staggers/lose traction.

kuribo doesn't read the future, he couldn't know both Wave and me would vote Amici.

Fencesitting, that's what I'm saying.

There was literally someone stating intent to hammer, an E-1 is essentially an elimination at that point

[kuribo]

One more vote on Amici and I will hammer.

Can't imagine why I thought there'd be a quick hammer and I had to get my questions in

[kuribo]

And I mean hold on, let's really unpack this.

You're criticizing ME for trying to generate discussion on a wagon that I "didn't know would be hammered" on a wagon that you yourself hammered?

If you were that worried about what I was doing you could have just... not hammered

[kuribo]

@Alisae don't wish that on me, I'd hate to be alive in F5, I'm hoping I'll get NK'd long before it comes to that

[kuribo]

Alright I got patients to wash, see y'all in 8

To be continued

[kuribo]

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[kuribo]

PB what does Kuribo have to gain by doing that play? What makes the potential gains of making this play better than the potential gains of like, not posting. If he's a wolf I doubt he even cares about the information he's asking for.
Why would Kuribo need to make a stance mid investigation.

Placing his vote in case the wagon gets to E-1 and nobody finish the job; calling them town in case the wagon staggers/lose traction.

kuribo doesn't read the future, he couldn't know both Wave and me would vote Amici.

Fencesitting, that's what I'm saying.

In context it looked like the day was going to end fast because of LLD's impetu

So which is it? Was my question pointless because I had no way of knowing there'd be a hammer? Or was it obvious the day was going to end fast?

I'm not criticizing your hammer here, I'm criticizing your criticism of me trying to get someone's reads before a hammer. And yes, as you yourself proved there was validity to my urgency.

Do you have a problem with slots sharing their reads before their deaths?

Or did you just think I'd be easy pickings and you could come at me with a softball?

[kuribo]

The rolestop/ascetic situation Kuribo is both me and ceph hydra targetted Marashu and both of our actions failed.
It’s very concerning

Ah I understand now, thank you.

And is there a reason we're assuming someone was rolestopped rather than the disappearance being a janitor kill?

Yeah... those are unrelated.

Marashu looks like they were acsetic / rolestopped, because Ali and Dragons claim to have both targeted Marashu, and their actions failed.

Re:my comment on the no flip, I was thinking that maybe it was not a Janitor because the mod's post explicitly said "no one died" which feels weird if someone simply died and was janitored. Also, the fact that they are not listed as dead in the OP. If it was the night kill, I can see it being some kind of delayed flip though. Like flavor wise, they "kidnap" their target N1, and they "die" at the end of Day 2. So I am not really sold on it definitely not being the night kill? But atp, I think we just have to wait and see if anything happens.

This is a really good point and you're probably correct that there's nothing to be done about it right now

[kuribo]

In what world do I spend the night thinking who could be “easy pickings” and I decide “ah yes, kuribo”

*shrug* you're the one who said you didn't know anything about my meta

I don't know what you know about me

[kuribo]

Maybe you figured I'm rusty from not playing in over a year? Technically nearly three years if you don't count hydra games with Malakittens.

[kuribo]

Let me tell you a few things about my town game and you can dive right in if you need to confirm:

I play by reading emotion, and it rarely fails me. I commune with the gods of murder and they bestow upon me the divine knowledge to discover the intent of those emotional outbursts that happen every day on this site.

I lay in wait. I let scum come to me. They can't help it, there's a primal urge not to waste a kill on me but my reads can be so erratic that they don't want me in endgame. Ask DGB about that time I townread her for months until *one* comment throwing shade at me tipped me off that she was scum. She's one of my favorite people on this site and I turned on her. Correctly, might I add.

I ask questions. The style isn't all emotion, I'm trying to catch someone in a lie or a hypocrisy. But once I identify that, I've got my opening. I get reads by interacting with people and judging how they interact with me. As well as interactions with the flipped dead. Mafia is a psychological game to me, and if you learn how people interact with you and with others, it opens its secrets to you.

So let me share with you my observations about you, seeing as you've had a 1v1 with SAS as well as a self-defeated emotional reaction while conversating with Alisae. Because, Pink Ball, both of those things are my bread and butter. And now that you've interacted with me, I can add that into my read of you:

Your interactions with SAS felt like scum caught for the wrong reasons. As I said at the time, I didn't think there was much to SAS's case, but I do believe he believed it. Your reaction gave me a sense of frustration that we've all felt when some townie locks onto us for some stupid reason and won't let off the gas.

Your interactions with me felt like an attempt to justify the accusation you made against me. Do I believe you saw me as an easy target? Maybe not, but it felt incredibly weak and an afterthought to a read that you made up whole cloth.

Your emotional nosedive in the conversation with Alisae was, I believe, genuine. I believe you were genuinely frustrated, even melancholy about your gameplay. I just haven't decided if it makes you town.

[kuribo]

What I don’t get is I’ve been accused twice of “making up reads” and I’m not

that

stupid to say a read without having an explanation.

Either I’m town actually trying to get a grasp in the game, or I’m scum thinking how to place myself.

In this case, let me do this again and tell me I’m an idiot if you still think I am.

I agree that asking for reads to someone who is getting eliminated is not only good for town but it’s even courtesy, courtesy that I didn’t have with the quick hammer.

The reason I suspect you is not for asking for the reads per se, is because to me it felt that you had the chance to ask for their reads before asking “who are you” like you didn’t even care about their reads ‘cause they weren’t actually useful for you.

Is that better articulated?

It is better articulated, but here's the thing: I wouldn't have asked for them if they weren't going to be useful to me. And I'm a bit more concerned that nobody, present company included, seemed to care enough to ask either.

I asked for a flavor claim because they had already claimed their role anyway. I don't like when people leave out information with the gun to their heads.

You make a partial claim that lets you off the hook, you can always revise or massage it later. Maybe think of a more town explanation.

I wanted the flavor right then and there because stalling is scummy. When it's your time to die, you tell the town everything you know unless it actively harms your wincon to do so.

This is why I asked for the flavor of the abilities: I was concerned that some of the abilities were either made up or scummy; a last ditch attempt to save their own skin. Flavor, especially in a u-pick, can shed light on that.

[kuribo]

And this is just for future reference:

When I tell you "I want your reads," I am not asking for them, I'm telling you that you need to post them because there is a gun to your head.

And here's the thing, Pink, I'm not criticizing you for the hammer. It's fine tbh and it was almost certainly going to happen. If you and wavelength hadn't had done it, I probably would have. But I wasn't done finding out what I wanted to know. So for you to use that as evidence that I was "fence sitting," obviously gives me pause. Especially since I was trying to find out what the elim could tell us and you had no interest in the same, nor in observing my interaction with them.

[kuribo]

I'm good with massclaim but I'd like to go close to last due to the nature of my role

If someone tries to fakeclaim any variation of my role, I will be counterclaiming them.

I'm willing to full claim now to the neighborhood as a sign of good faith, however

[kuribo]

The remaining members of the neighborhood are myself, LLD, and the Dragon hydra. Penguin and Marashu were the other two

All of us have animal themed roles apparently

[kuribo]

I've locked in my claim to my neighborhood, as LLD and Dragons can attest to


There is the danger that one of the slots is scum and will simply tell their buddies to avoid my claim, but I'm townreading both so if that happens then I have bigger problems than that anyway.

[kuribo]

Oh god dammit

[kuribo]

Okay fine well I'm still down reading LLD so

[kuribo]

Okay fine well I'm still down reading LLD so

EBWOP *town reading

[kuribo]

What were hood conversations like

Boring mostly. Most of it is me chastising people for not talking or giving my stream of consciousness. At first we were just making animal noises at one another. I asked Marashu about why he vote parked on Wavelength D1, he responded it was RVS that he never got around to changing. I asked what everyone else's reads on Pink Ball were and did they think I was wrong. I left some stuff in the thread in case I died along with a question I had of ircher, but it'll wait now until massclaim is finished. If it's even still relevant. Ceph seemed to agree with my strongest scumread. That's mostly it, kinda sucks because I like having active neighbors and neighbor is one of my favorite things to be.

[kuribo]

I used my kill invest on Ircher last night. I kind of figured that with his miller claim specifically saying it worked for trackers, then if he was he was setting himself up to be doing the night kill night 1, but my result was that he has not tried to kill.

but...they're a miller...

Yeah, but once I got him to finally tell me explicitly how it worked, I knew my invest should get a true result on him.

And to be fair, I did get the less suspicious result.

My result means that he did not attempt to carry out the night 1 kill. But after claiming that he was a miller for trackers, it seemed reasonable that he might have been the one to do the kill if he was scum

That's not how ircher said the role works though, you should be getting the most suspicious result on them no matter what:

I'm a universal miller.
VOTE: Alisae

By universal do you mean that you would come up looking bad regardless of the type of invest? So, a tracker always sees you going to the night kill?

Yes.

I have so many thoughts about that slot and I'll share them after massclaim is done

[kuribo]

I'm Lucia Hefferman's Baked Ham

I'm a doc who is told if my protection is successful. After the first use, a successful protect sacrifices my life for theirs. I also have the aforementioned neighborhood. Night one I protected LLD, night 2 was Alisae. Neither protection succeeded in stopping a death.

[kuribo]

PB's role is essentially the old jailer / interrogator from epic mafia

[kuribo]

I'm Lucia Hefferman's Baked Ham

I'm a doc who is told if my protection is successful. After the first use, a successful protect sacrifices my life for theirs. I also have the aforementioned neighborhood. Night one I protected LLD, night 2 was Alisae. Neither protection succeeded in stopping a death.

I was claiming to use my activated BP last night that I got from Flea, shouldn’t dragons just be the obv protect here?

Wait were you not claiming to have a vig shot that you were going to use on ircher?

[kuribo]

I'm Lucia Hefferman's Baked Ham

I'm a doc who is told if my protection is successful. After the first use, a successful protect sacrifices my life for theirs. I also have the aforementioned neighborhood. Night one I protected LLD, night 2 was Alisae. Neither protection succeeded in stopping a death.

I was claiming to use my activated BP last night that I got from Flea, shouldn’t dragons just be the obv protect here?

Wait were you not claiming to have a vig shot that you were going to use on ircher?

I claimed I was going to shoot and I was going to activate bp

I musta missed that last part because I protected you assuming you were trying to shoot my scum read

[kuribo]

Doctor, I think I've lost my mind!

"

Meow

"

Hmmm, very insightful Dr. Mittens.

As my doctorate thesis said,

OINK

[kuribo]

@LLD dunno bout yours but mine specifies that oinking only works in the game thread


You can still meow for fun there tho

[kuribo]

I just wanna say btw how happy I am that I got to introduce Baked Ham to more people

There's a copy of it that hangs on my hallway at work and it's the only thing that gives me joy some days to the point that it was also the Lock Screen on my phone for a long time

Literally considering ordering one and putting it in my bathroom

[kuribo]

Looking for "LLD" in Kuribo's iso does not give me much, he did not appear to talk about her very much until this day phase

@LLD quack quack

This did stand out though as a possible target crumb?

Kuribo was there a rhyme or reason behind this?

If this is a crumb, did you also crumb your Alisae target? IF it is not, then why did you quack at her lol?

Yes, I protected LLD N1 because I felt she was likely to be a target after revealing herself to be a double voter and because she's the player in the game that I have the longest and most experience with.

I crumbed the Alisae protection in the neighborhood with my reads, appending a quack quack at the end

[kuribo]

I want Kuribo to come back and post more
I want Ircher to post actual thoughts
I want to hear what SAS thinks about other slots that aren't PB

I'm working a double shift today, you'll get what you get when you get it

[kuribo]

Ircher is obvscum based on role and play and on associative tells with dead scum, and im not going to be budging on that tbh

[kuribo]

If y'all want to elim me then please do it today, a claimed doctor in a game where there might be a redirect is beyond useless anyway


This isn't 2012, you're not gonna get any rage that's gonna get me banned yet again if you're looking for that


I've played like shit, feel free to send me to the dead thread so I can mock y'all and post memes

[kuribo]

I don’t think you’ve played shit fwiw

Shrug

Literally my first game without a hydra partner in like two years

I didn't really have high expectations for myself when I signed up anyway

[kuribo]

doc has always been one of the roles im weakest at. I like it a lot more than I used to but I used to hate it so much that I'd end up blurting my claim out on day one

Nowadays I don't mind it but I also can't remember if I've ever successfully stopped a kill

I probably haven't been a doc in nearly a decade idk

[kuribo]

I don’t think you’ve played shit fwiw

Shrug

Literally my first game without a hydra partner in like two years

I didn't really have high expectations for myself when I signed up anyway

If u play or want to play again I’ll hydra with ya
I think we have very similar ideas on how we want the game to be played

listen these days I'm just happy if I can get through the game without being a toxic piece of shit

You don't wanna hydra with me. Ask Mala or DGB, im pretty sure it's low key kinda stressful lmao

[kuribo]

I don’t think you’ve played shit fwiw

Shrug

Literally my first game without a hydra partner in like two years

I didn't really have high expectations for myself when I signed up anyway

If u play or want to play again I’ll hydra with ya
I think we have very similar ideas on how we want the game to be played

listen these days I'm just happy if I can get through the game without being a toxic piece of shit

You don't wanna hydra with me. Ask Mala or DGB, im pretty sure it's low key kinda stressful lmao

Stressful?
How?

Imagine waking up one morning and finding that your hydra partner has made 40 posts in six hours, in which he has claimed your role, voted the slot you share, and gotten himself banned

[kuribo]

Me and mala had the added factors of the fact that we both work 60-70 hours a week and we had both lost someone important to us around the time of the last time we hydra'd together

[kuribo]

Anyway, my biggest scum read is ircher, which I laid out the case for in my "if I die" post during the night phase in the neighborhood

I had suspicions of wavelength, albeit weak ones, and mostly based on associative tells between the slot and Marashu / ircher. Wave's play today has been perfectly cromulent so I'm not completely confident on that solve

I do feel like Pink is quite possibly third party, and after the refusal to claim flavor, I told LLD in the hood that I was assuming his flavor was Freddy Krueger. Merking the slot is not a priority as ircher is my strongest scum read. Pink's play today has been more town and most of the neighborhood seemed to agree that the slot was town when I asked on day one.

[kuribo]

I had suspicions of wavelength, albeit weak ones, and mostly based on associative tells between the slot and Marashu / ircher. Wave's play today has been perfectly cromulent so I'm not completely confident on that solve

I am struggling to wrap my head around what could lead you to the conclusion of this specifically as a group solve?

And it looks like I am specifically here as a group solve, but this feels like probably the least likely list of partners for me??

What associative tells between me / ircher / marashu?

As I said, I laid out my reasoning before the day started, and so I no longer feel some of it applies, hence my use of "had" in the past tense.

Ircher named your slot as scum with Alisae and Marashu which I felt to be ridiculous. To me it felt like the old "name two scum and a town," with Ali being the town. You had posted in 440 that you "leaned scum" on both Marashu and ircher. I felt like on face value, that both of these were potential attempts to distance from one another. Marashu also parked what they called an "RVS vote" on you and never moved it off. I concluded that of ircher and yourself, you were the weakest of my scum reads because it was partially based on an unflipped player that I read as scum. I also concluded that if it's not you then my gut tells me it's Pink Ball or Flea.

That's essentially where I was during the overnight phase of the game.

[kuribo]

Like man pb being a third party just feels so wrong with how he’s playing it and what he’s actually doing and wolves I don’t think feel concerned with trying to use their redirect to try to find the player but rather send a mask to wave because why????

You raise a good point but also if PB is third party then trying to imprison and kill scum right now would be suicide for him

With one scum down, PB would need to hunt and kill town for a while before killing most of the scum team. If that makes sense

[kuribo]

And the more I think about it the more I feel like PB could have just not claimed anything at all involving the disappearances

[kuribo]

vote: ircher

[kuribo]

oink

oink

[kuribo]

LLD

join me in merking ircher

You agreed with me that the claim itself is scum, and I've laid out why I think the slot is scum by play

[kuribo]

LLD

join me in merking ircher

You agreed with me that the claim itself is scum, and I've laid out why I think the slot is scum by play

We can only unalive one per day anyway
But Pink Ball is...

Sigh.

[kuribo]

Fucked up my quote tag

LLD

join me in merking ircher

You agreed with me that the claim itself is scum, and I've laid out why I think the slot is scum by play

But Pink Ball is...

Sigh.

We can only unalive on per day anyway

[kuribo]

And I still misspelled something

God dammit fuck this lol

[kuribo]

Yeah I guess.

If I kill Ircher you Doc me tonight aight? That's the deal.

Deal

[kuribo]

any town player who fails to vote an openly claimed SK at 8p is literally gamethrowing

Bout to channel my inner DGB and point out that SK hunting over scum hunting is a dead-on scumtell

[kuribo]

any town player who fails to vote an openly claimed SK at 8p is literally gamethrowing

Bout to channel my inner DGB and point out that SK hunting over scum hunting is a dead-on scumtell

Yep. SAS prolly scum here tbh.

But I worry about you Mr. Ibo

Shrug I'm used to you calling me scum. Every game we've ever played you either attack me when you're scum yourself or you get paranoid about me

It's just kinda our thing