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Post Post #2725 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:33 pm

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this is very true. i don't expect to run into one, but it's a nice thought.
that's certainly a weird one.
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Post Post #2726 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:47 pm

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hold the phone there's a much easier way to check the frequency of traitors in normals:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=37208
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29549

CTRL + F "traitor"
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Post Post #2727 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:49 pm

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oh, this is really helpful! thanks. <3
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Post Post #2728 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:51 pm

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and, surprisingly. they have a higher frequency in mini normals. neat.

with the annoyance from the loss all but gone, i'd like to say again: i really did enjoy this game. the mechanics were very interesting, and i liked the playerlist as well. all in all, i consider it a good experience.
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Post Post #2729 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:58 pm

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In post 2713, Not Chara wrote: either way, thanks for the information. armed with this knowledge, i will
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never, ever, roll traitor again.
Even if you don't roll traitor again (there are plenty of people on-site who have never rolled scum at all!), you can use this approach to getting around claiming your role while still outing it and allowing discussion of it. For instance, you can act like a backup to the role you actually have. "My role informs me that there is a cop in the setup, so I'd like people to claim before we lynch them" can be a good way to essentially let town know there's a cop running around but imply that you're not the cop while still letting you crumb your results. People love to talk about how roles should be directed, so it can be very informative to claim knowledge-of-a-role-that's-actually-your-own and then put up for discussion, "We should talk about how this role should be directed." Like, for instance, I was a vigilante in a game once and I outted, "I know there's a vig in this setup due to my role. I don't want them to claim, but if everyone could post who they think we should vig, it could help that player out a lot." That sort of thing not just allows you to inform your own action, but it lets you see how people respond, which can inform your reads as well.
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Post Post #2730 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:59 pm

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That said, this only truly works in closed, unique setups.
If you're in a closed normal setup, you can at least claim Backup Cop or Backup Doctor, although that may not draw the sorts of attention you want, protection and kill-wise.
If I was scum and someone claimed backup doctor, I probably wouldn't kill them, though. I'd be busy trying to hit the real doctor.

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Post Post #2731 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:04 pm

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In open normals, fake-claiming is awful and all info should be above the board.
I don't like those kinds of games though. They're game rhetoric gets superseded by the mechanical rhetoric due to the site-meta; there's such a strong reliance on PRs to 'solve' a game, as if they are integral to doing so. This allows for savvy scum to fake-claim and snow town, but it also makes the actual 'play' of the game shift into this space where you're talking about most efficient role use rather than playing the usual rhetorical game of mafia, which I feel is all about presentation of self, forming reads based on others' presentations, and committing to eliminating those who most poorly fail to render themselves, rhetorically, as town. That still happens in the mechanics-heavy game, but players are heavily rendered as town simply due to the nature of their roles and not the quality of their rhetoric.

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Post Post #2732 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:04 pm

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Ugh, wrong they're/their, there. I was originally typing a different kind of sentence and I didn't backspace all the way.
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Post Post #2733 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:20 pm

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i do appreciate that small lecture on setup and power role claiming, Varsoon! it will be very useful if i continue into more Normal games.
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Post Post #2734 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:24 pm

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<3

Any time. I don't know how great of a player I am, but I do know people's sensibilities and the site-meta pretty well, having moderated several closed, theme setups and followed/played in quite a few opens and normals.

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Post Post #2735 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:45 pm

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gg

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Post Post #2736 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:13 am

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Wow, was not expecting to see game over in this title when I woke up.

I feel bad for scum. There isn't much you can do when the cop catches 2 of you in a setup that's town sided to begin with.
In post 90, Infinity 324 wrote:It's not a town mindset to try to be less waffly to look more town, that's how scum think. If I don't have strong reads as town, I'll waffle. It's the other townies' jobs to determine whether it's town waffling or scum waffling.

Not to mention vigs should be used to eliminate common scumreads instead of personal scumreads but that's a whole other matter. I would never have been lynched since my play fit too well with my role.
Posted this in the dead tread directed at varsoon. But it's not as big of a deal as I make it out to be there

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Post Post #2737 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:03 am

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GREAT JOB GUYS NOT LIKE I TOTALLY CALLED US NOT HAVING A KILL NIGHT 1
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Post Post #2738 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:56 am

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WTF

I told you to wait me come up.
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Post Post #2739 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:56 am

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lol 4 scum.

A full cop was needed in this situation.
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Post Post #2740 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:02 am

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Infinity...
YOU ARE SOOOOO BAAAAD!
WHY WOULD YOU LYNCH ME WHEN YOU ARE SURE I AM TOWN? AND PANTHER WAS RIGHT THERE VNOOXNUJDONIIJOFKNDLCKCLKDMDKLMKFLMKDMKMLKMLKMK
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Post Post #2741 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:21 am

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Already explained this in the dead thread. Lynch > no lynch in every case in a closed setup. You can't say you knew there would be no kill because that's just not true, no one could've predicted that. Stop being a sore winner.

I was banking on panther being lynched if he didn't live up to his promises, and I was correct in that.
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Post Post #2742 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:00 am

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In post 2738, Creature wrote:WTF

I told you to wait me come up.
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Post Post #2743 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:02 am

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Also sorry for tunneling you Dunnstral.
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Post Post #2744 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:02 am

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I'm used to it
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