In post 1497, Cheetory6 wrote:except if kuroi/snarky break up their partnership. and then all of a sudden jaqen can partner them when there's under 24 hours left and there's no time left for anyone else to partner. 3 dead town. scum wins. it's a limitation of the setup but it would result in a scum win.
If the rules weren't abusable in this respect, I trust that our moderators would have given us the win that's justified. Since they are this abusable, I trust that the moderators would have drawn the game in the case that scum did appropriately break them.In post 1497, Cheetory6 wrote:except if kuroi/snarky break up their partnership. and then all of a sudden jaqen can partner them when there's under 24 hours left and there's no time left for anyone else to partner. 3 dead town. scum wins. it's a limitation of the setup but it would result in a scum win.
Oh, yeah, now that the game is over and what I'm saying can no longer be misinterpreted as gameplay, this is explicitly breaking the site-wide rule to "play to your win condition."In post 1436, Firebringer wrote:I was converted last night to the scum team.
The scum team had one player who fake claimed day cop, spoke in the third person, and scumclaimed so that he could insult the moderators and their game inside the game thread, one player who continually pretended to not understand the same one rule over-and-over again, and one player who was completely absent. Then we have a town player who explicitly refuses to read the rules at all, literally never once took a single game action, and in one of the most tense moments in the game claims to have been converted to the scum team.In post 1504, Cheetory6 wrote:Sometimes playing with a variety of people means you need to be able to parse when people are clearly joking.
We're not playing a game any more, so your joke no longer severely hurts your team's ability to win the game, so that's cool.In post 1506, Firebringer wrote:I was converted to the scum team.
My joke never did hurt my teams ability to win.In post 1508, podoboq wrote:We're not playing a game any more, so your joke no longer severely hurts your team's ability to win the game, so that's cool.In post 1506, Firebringer wrote:I was converted to the scum team.
The disconnect is that it wasn't taken as a joke (at least by me). My problem was if it was a SERIOUS scum claim made as town, not a simple joke.In post 1510, Cheetory6 wrote:Sometimes town fakeclaim. Sometimes town lurks. Sometimes town does stupid as shit stuff with roles. You can call it bad play all you want, but joking like fire was here is not something that should be punished by the moderator.
They were. And Jaqen was almost more clearly scum after his claimed results ended up being false. If the town team can know for certain who the scum team is, and still not wrangle together a lynch on them because of the game mechanics, you can't argue the game is unfairly town-sided.In post 1514, kuribo wrote:I felt like Kuroi and Snarky were super obvious after they spent all of day 1 calling each other scum and then paired up.
It doesn't help that Firebringer only referred to it as a joke almost a day after the original comment had been made. Also, context matters.In post 1515, RachMarie wrote:Joke can go awry.
To be fair, in order to fulfill the "and nothing can stop this from happening" clause scum would have had to kill literally every townie. Thankfully the mods realized this and didn't plan on enforcing that part. I wish I had realized they didn't intend to, but from that mindset~ while town was set up to take heavy losses, there would have been no way for you guys to lose because even if we outnumbered you 3:2 those 2 would just pair up and strand all 3 scum.In post 1517, podoboq wrote:They were. And Jaqen was almost more clearly scum after his claimed results ended up being false. If the town team can know for certain who the scum team is, and still not wrangle together a lynch on them because of the game mechanics, you can't argue the game is unfairly town-sided.In post 1514, kuribo wrote:I felt like Kuroi and Snarky were super obvious after they spent all of day 1 calling each other scum and then paired up.
Abusable? It was quite frankly the only control scum could have in this game. Town decided the day. Town decided the night. Scum never once nk'd. I'll accept the draw because I have to, but by all rights had the game not been meddled with we would have had a flawless victory and it was no easy task in setting it up to get FOUR of you guys into the failed pile in the first place. That took threading the needle within the needle, but all anyone sees is 'bah that would have been a bs win'.In post 1502, podoboq wrote:If the rules weren't abusable in this respect, I trust that our moderators would have given us the win that's justified. Since they are this abusable, I trust that the moderators would have drawn the game in the case that scum did appropriately break them.In post 1497, Cheetory6 wrote:except if kuroi/snarky break up their partnership. and then all of a sudden jaqen can partner them when there's under 24 hours left and there's no time left for anyone else to partner. 3 dead town. scum wins. it's a limitation of the setup but it would result in a scum win.
So yeah, I'll accept the draw, but it's still fundamentally incredibly disappointing that this couldn't be resolved in a way that was"fair"to everyone involved.
No, that's not it at all. With Gork and Shos both going to the fail pile as had previously happened, it was a GUARANTEED scum victory right then and there. This is how:In post 1494, T-Bone wrote:I thought I made it clear. The game ended in a draw because I didn't give Jaqen the chance to get out of the lynch that he should have had. (but that ended up being the flaw in the mechanic itself). On Day 2 saying no put you into the fail pile, but on Day 4 I didn't do that to Gork to speed up the day. At the end of the day it remained Jaqen, Gorkington, and Shos. Jaqen could not pair with either player because of his kinks, and rather than waiting around for either him to fail and reset, I just sped up the situation in which he could have failed. He did have the opportunity to convince another pair to break up, and that was the chance I didn't give him.