Mini 1884 Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc Mafia (Game Over)

[Almost50]

To be fair, with another distribution of the same roles over the same player base, everything could have changed. Like, if I had the same role but Nahdia was Town, I would have been their BG. If someone else had my role they probably would have targeted a TR instead (at least that's how I gathered form the Town discussing my role after my flip). It was my choice of bonding with NAHDIA regardless of their alignment that made this game heavily scum sided. If RC himself was playing I would not have bonded with him this early because while if Scum I had confidence in his triumph; the problem would have been that if he was Town he was going to be shot. Give me a player who can SURVIVE as either alignment and I would not care what their alignment is before I bonded with them. It's just that the combination of Nahdia+Maria was too strong in this particular roll of the dice.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, this setup was badly scum favoured from inception regardless of who rolled what, regardless of whether you sided with town or scum.

[gerryoat]

Almost fked all my reads with that random bonding to Nahdia. when he outed 2 other TRs

[RadiantCowbells]

Almost fked all my reads with that random bonding to Nahdia. when he outed 2 other TRs

Why would almost have ever bonded with someone he claimed as a townread lol

[Firebringer]

I think xyzzy shouldn't have been suspected as they were with their role and their use of it

He used his role so he shouldn't be suspected?
It wasn't even inherently townie role.

[MariaR]

Yes but the fact scum already had day vigs the fact xyzzy was even suspected shocked me

[Firebringer]

Yes but the fact scum already had day vigs the fact xyzzy was even suspected shocked me

Because he was scummy by play not role.....

[mhsmith0]

For notscience to use his role he had to 100% know a person was getting day killed by scum and correctly guess the right person.
Is it possible, yes, but highly unlikely.


For all he knew Town had a bunch of day vigis so he shouldn't save anyone.

A town dayvig firing early day one is a game thrower basically always. I think a perfectly valid assumption is he uses his power (which he can flip whenever) early in the day phase.

I think alisae role was potentially very strong - "hey guys lynch me I'm awesome if I die during the day" was not an especially helpful way to play it imo.

Friendly neighbor is always helpful, scum shot it.

Tth announcer role likely bit very helpful, but can at least be used creatively if she gets a friendly neighbor result or to get cute and push a read that she doesn't want to eat a bullet for.

And notscience, towns strongest pr, getting run up and forced to claim day one was not something predictable by design, that was another aspect where scum outplayed town in the day game. Normally you expect ONE investigation result from the slot, with an off chance of saving against a shot instead, which really helps town a lot.

Basically all of towns weapons were nerfed by towns own play and decisions.

And scum spent basically the whole game avoiding suspicion, including having BOTH major day three wagons be on town.

That's not balance, that's the better team winning.

[MariaR]

his role...should've been enough alone

[Dunnstral]

I think xyzzy shouldn't have been suspected as they were with their role and their use of it

He used his role so he shouldn't be suspected?
It wasn't even inherently townie role.

I think it's hard to imagine their role as scum after seeing 2 people get daykilled

Admittedly I'm not sure I like that role strongarming a lynch, especially with all the other deaths
I think it was used in a very tame/ok way in this game (save themself and kill a semi-consensus scumread)

[RadiantCowbells]

For notscience to use his role he had to 100% know a person was getting day killed by scum and correctly guess the right person.
Is it possible, yes, but highly unlikely.


For all he knew Town had a bunch of day vigis so he shouldn't save anyone.

A town dayvig firing early day one is a game thrower basically always. I think a perfectly valid assumption is he uses his power (which he can flip whenever) early in the day phase.

I think alisae role was potentially very strong - "hey guys lynch me I'm awesome if I die during the day" was not an especially helpful way to play it imo.

Friendly neighbor is always helpful, scum shot it.

Tth announcer role likely bit very helpful, but can at least be used creatively if she gets a friendly neighbor result or to get cute and push a read that she doesn't want to eat a bullet for.

And notscience, towns strongest pr, getting run up and forced to claim day one was not something predictable by design, that was another aspect where scum outplayed town in the day game. Normally you expect ONE investigation result from the slot, with an off chance of saving against a shot instead, which really helps town a lot.

Basically all of towns weapons were nerfed by towns own play and decisions.

And scum spent basically the whole game avoiding suspicion, including having BOTH major day three wagons be on town.

That's not balance, that's the better team winning.

NO DUDE IT'S REALLY EASY TO BE THE BETTER TEAM WHEN YOU GET TO KILL THE TOP 4 TOWNIES ON THE FIRST 2 DAYS

[RadiantCowbells]

Did town play great? no. doesn't mean that this game wasn't townsided as all fuck.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scumsided. You know what I mean. You are hilariously underestimating the impact of scum having 2 dayvig roles.

[Firebringer]

his role...should've been enough alone

The setup made no sense to begin with....
I think your biased since you knew who was town.
His play wasn't townie imo.

[mhsmith0]

To be fair, with another distribution of the same roles over the same player base, everything could have changed. Like, if I had the same role but Nahdia was Town, I would have been their BG. If someone else had my role they probably would have targeted a TR instead (at least that's how I gathered form the Town discussing my role after my flip). It was my choice of bonding with NAHDIA regardless of their alignment that made this game heavily scum sided. If RC himself was playing I would not have bonded with him this early because while if Scum I had confidence in his triumph; the problem would have been that if he was Town he was going to be shot. Give me a player who can SURVIVE as either alignment and I would not care what their alignment is before I bonded with them. It's just that the combination of Nahdia+Maria was too strong in this particular roll of the dice.

I also think that MOST players do not think about the 3p role like a50 did. My guess is most players wait and see which team is winning and just use it n1, which tends to add to swing favoring either side.

[RadiantCowbells]

Unless you are a very shitty player as scum you can win when you can pick 4 players to exclude from town in a 13 player game

[RadiantCowbells]

I think scum played fine and I think town played bad: but this setup was always going to be a scum win like 8+ times out of ten.

[Firebringer]

Did town play great? no. doesn't mean that this game wasn't townsided as all fuck.

I think I agree with this.
I sucked personally.

But like I felt I had little to work with in terms of setup too.

[MariaR]

his role...should've been enough alone

The setup made no sense to begin with....
I think your biased since you knew who was town.
His play wasn't townie imo.

Scum have day vigs and then someone claims to be able to kill at the end of the day aswell? There is 0 way that is scum EVER

[MariaR]

Like xyz could've claimed scum all day and you shouldn't have touched him

[RadiantCowbells]

That's from an informed POV Maria. If scum already had 2 daykills I would have replaced out and failing that would just entirely ignore setup spec because setup speccing in a game with 2 scum dayvigs is pointless

[MariaR]

Like was this scum sided? Yes a little but it is not even close to the way you're making it out to be town just didn't use their powers well at all and tunneled people that should've never been tunneled

[Firebringer]

That's from an informed POV Maria. If scum already had 2 daykills I would have replaced out and failing that would just entirely ignore setup spec because setup speccing in a game with 2 scum dayvigs is pointless

See this.
I thought scum had day kills everyday so you think I am being crazy for thinking scum can force a lynch?

[MariaR]

Town knew scum had day vigs though that's not hidden info and they STILL went for xyz

[MariaR]

That's from an informed POV Maria. If scum already had 2 daykills I would have replaced out and failing that would just entirely ignore setup spec because setup speccing in a game with 2 scum dayvigs is pointless

See this.
I thought scum had day kills everyday so you think I am being crazy for thinking scum can force a lynch?

You just can't do set up spec then if you think scum would ever have day kills everyday in a 13p mini