Mini 1886: Accounting Mafia [Normal] [GAME OVER]

[Not_Mafia]

But I was right not to listen to myself

[Titus]

Hito, talk to me please. My ear is open. Flaws and all. I unvoted. It's symbolic but common man.

[hitogoroshi]

I'll try to find some time tomorrow.

[Titus]

Fair enough. Just make some random comment saying check someone's ISO in case Fire doesn't count prod dodges please.

[hitogoroshi]

To be clear, I don't know whether it's my illness or not but I don't see why this deserves to be townread.

Both n_m and infinity voted for Bork pretty early in the wagon. Given that, I think not_mafia aggressively trying to force the Bork wagon through is more likely to be the townie than infinity just kind of sitting on it and trying to get people to change his mind.

Pine and Camn each being wagoned when they voted not_mafia seems more persuasive.

Is there a specific vote that Bork or Kuroi cast that you think would have been different with one scumbuddy vs the other? We don't need to be so vague as just talking about "each being wagoned", because we know for sure that Kuroi and Bork were the scumbuddies of whoever the last one is.

[hitogoroshi]

I also like infinity picking not mafia, as you were much higher on my suspect list pre today.

This one actually is a fair point. Strategically, infinity is going to have an easier time getting n_m on me than getting me on n_m, because n_m has suspected me all game and I've had n_m as basically clear for days. But then, I had infinity AND n_m as strong town, so maybe infinity-scum was just hoping I would fall for the charm offensive and prefer to lynch the person who's led a crusade on me for like a month.

[Not_Mafia]

I think he just voted the person voting him

[hitogoroshi]

It's also worth talking about my interaction with Kuroi back around the Bork wagon. I found it really unnerving he was continually talking about deadline while sitting alone on a wagon, so I voted him without really giving reasoning to see if people (especially Ceph) would play along. Then he responded essentially claiming that because Firebringer was being super lazy about VCs, he actually had no idea he was alone. And I decided to just disarm it because I had no way of really proving it either way, and n_m had essentially shamed him into correctitude.

If n_m is scum and him and Kuroi is a totally staged interaction, presumably they did it because n_m figured out I was suspecting Kuroi for talking about compromise and not doing it. But we know they had daytalk at that time. So it feels really weird that n_m would do that coaching in thread. It was a very rapid fire night of posting between the three of us, and it really doesn't feel like two of them were scum. There was an urgency about it that makes zero sense if it was a majority-scum interaction.

[Not_Mafia]

There is no deadline so we could just let this game run forever and never have to come to a decision, that way everybody wins

[Titus]

There is no deadline so we could just let this game run forever and never have to come to a decision, that way everybody wins

You keep saying things that make me want to rope you.

Hito, I'll give you detailed responses as soon as possible.

[Titus]

Ok- I got really bored reading- so im not gonna say i didnt skim a lot.

My prelim scumreads:
PINE
NOT MAFIA
[BORK or SHANNON]

And nobody better go "they can be scum together cuz meow meow..." Im not hearing it.

Additional thoughts:
Pine and Gin are not scum together.
Hotorogoshi is practically conf [town ebwop was not originally clear].

VOTE: Camn

stuff like this:

And that post by Hito just convinced me that I'd be better off pushing Pine today.

"me, too! tell"

I highly doubt that an N_M wagon will get any traction today.

But when he flips scum I can point to this and say it was pressure, amirite?

Bad scumread is bad.
You're just straight up bullshitting this and it's funny to read. The NM wagon had NO. TRACTION. before you came into this game; I don't see why that's so difficult to understand. He wasn't going to flip scum, and he won't today, because you need to actually read and acknowledge that most people in this game won't lynch NM today. Done that? Great. You can therefore understand my logic now. If his wagon gains traction and I think he may be lynched then I'll hop on.

You're basically picking on the fact that I'm not playing town in a wooden manner and sticking with a vote that I think is a waste 'because it's what town apparently does'.

If you were voting person A and then person B pointed out that the only other person on A's wagon was C, your other scumread, then I'm pretty sure any smart person would flip to C, whose wagon actually had a decent number of people on it. Good on person B for pointing it out.

I don't want to use experience as a tell, but honestly - I'd expect a much better read from an '08 player.

VOTE: Camn

[Titus]

Those are the contexts of not mafia and bork bork going after camn.

[Titus]

TRing Gin, Hito, maybe Accountant. SRing N_M, maybe Cabd and Titus.

Pine was a self admitted player with issues and his biggest push was not mafia.

We know cabd and I were town, yet Pine got up to L minus 2. This is not a lurker lynch scum like to push unless he's right on something.

[Titus]

Reading bork bork's ISO, bork bork looked like he was distancing nm and backed off immediately when hito gave an out.

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 5.01

Not_Mafia (1) : Infinity 324
Infinity 324 (2) : hitogoroshi, Not_Mafia

Not Voting (1) : Titus,

Mod Notes: None

With 4 alive, It takes 3 to reach a Lynch.

Day 5 Ends whenever a consensus is reached.

[Firebringer]

Infinity is being prodded

[Infinity 324]

Im still here, I just don't have much to say.

[Not_Mafia]

Titus still has no explanation for why I would bus in a stagnant game where a no lynch probably would have happened

[Titus]

Mod, can we waive prods for nm and infinity? Their votes are locked atm?

~No

[Titus]

Hito you here?

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 5.02

Not_Mafia (1) : Infinity 324
Infinity 324 (2) : hitogoroshi, Not_Mafia

Not Voting (1) : Titus,

Mod Notes: Everyone is getting prodded due to lack of activity.

With 4 alive, It takes 3 to reach a Lynch.

Day 5 Ends whenever a consensus is reached.

[Not_Mafia]

lalalala

[hitogoroshi]

yeah, sorry.

I still really do not want a n_m lynch, but it's pretty hard to find time to keep arguing for infinity when work is escalated and this game has no deadline. maybe we can just do n_ms idea and never let the game end

[Not_Mafia]

No lynch is an option

[hitogoroshi]

pretty sure camns angry ghost demands we lynch infinity today in particular though

I don't wanna be haunted D: