DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[Commander Shepard]

Chara who do you scumread?

[Almost Chara]

i owe Almost a good answer to that same question, haha. ight now i'm most sure on Empking for scum with T&B as the partner. but i'm going through ISO's now so i'll get back to you.
~Chara

[Commander Shepard]

Yeah I don't see Empking blatantly claiming cop with a town on Titus.

Titus from the data on my omnitool is a gambitter but she isn't stupid. There is no upside to Empking claiming cop.

[Almost Chara]

Yeah, I'm far from convinced that no cop means lynch Infinity. Even more so if it turns out that Ari crafted the set up (or seems like he did) with interesting roles coming from interesting characters. I can imagine designing a set up by going 'huh, he was never crowned that could make an interesting Miller' and then not changing it as the Cop gets thrown out or is never put in.

i don't like this post when Empking is a cop.
i also don't like the claiming 1-shot because 'they wouldn't let him get away with vague shots'.

finally, what's stupid about the plan itself? if done correctly it makes Empking look like a cop who got tricked.

the existence of a godfather made me doubt Infinity, for obvious reasons, but after looking at both Cloud and Titus i see interactions with Infinity that look genuine.
~Chara

[Infinity 324]

Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.

PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...

No you didn't. That is why I picked you.

{T&B}
{TWC, AC}
{shaddow, farside}
{CK, Shepard, empking, dreal}

{prism, wraith}

I guess this is where I'm at pending a flip. It's a pretty gross list but I'd be surprised if anyone in the top 3 tiers is scum

...wraith doesn't make sense as scum cause there would've been a stronger CW on someone towards the middle of the day

FUCK

Agreed. Please work with me here.

Wraith is town. Look at T&B's post I called out if Wraith town Postie Scum.
Look who all post after AC &TWC.

T&B Infinity last two scum.

I don't get what you're trying to say here

[Infinity 324]

Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.

PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...

i know that. it's just you called it 'other power' in a recent post.

...it probably doesn't matter, freudian slips aren't really a thing.
~Chara

pedit: hm, what happened with your Wraith read there Infinity?

Huh?

I basically always townread wraith expect for a small amount of time d2 where I doubted the read.

[Almost Chara]

VOTE: Empking

Prism, why is Empking telling the truth here?
from looking at Titus/CK, Infinity looks town. i've also liked his play in general. only issue is the miller claim.

will sort through shaddow/T&B in the morning.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Huh?

I basically always townread wraith expect for a small amount of time d2 where I doubted the read.

i was actually reading the two posts in backwards order to what they were. never mind.
~Chara

[Infinity 324]

Maybe you're right and it is just empking. Shaddow I'm pretty sure on by Poe. It's not T&B, trust me on that.

[Almost Chara]

what do you have on T&B that's compelling?
i'm pretty certain Shepard isn't scum.

i just don't see anything town about Empking. 2835 is pretty lukewarm, coming when Titus is already going down. Titus doesn't have many interactions to speak of besides what looks like an actual attempt to discuss/convince you. but Cloud has a soft-push on shaddow, a similar feel to yourself as Titus did, and no interaction with Empking/T&B to speak of. the push on shaddow could be bussing, or it could just be weak.
~Chara

[Empking]

Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.

PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...

If it's making you town-read him then it obviously is a power, and needs to be taken into account. I get not wanting to out someone else's power role, but you volunteered a picture of the set up that you knew to be false. Only scum are in that habit.

[Almost Chara]

if you get not wanting to out a power role and the discussion is on the setup then why wouldn't Infinity leave it out? it really

doesn't

affect balance all that much and this reasoning is weak. would Infinity's setup spread have changed at all due to Shepard's role? really, no.
we've had two town lie on flavour and role. there are reasons for both but Lynch All Liars is weak here. especially coming from you building on what i think is town Shepard.
~Chara

[Infinity 324]

Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.

PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...

If it's making you town-read him then it obviously is a power, and needs to be taken into account. I get not wanting to out someone else's power role, but you volunteered a picture of the set up that you knew to be false. Only scum are in that habit.

It's not making me townread them, it's reinforcing that somewhat though.

This line of logic is obviously bad and you picking up on it is suspect. Yes I made setup spec that I knew was slightly off, but it still doesn't change anything about my opinions of the balance. Also, I wouldn't do anything differently here if I was scum. If town!me would mention the existence of another pr, so would town!me.

VOTE: empking

Chara, I'll talk about T&B later tonight.

[Empking]

if you get not wanting to out a power role and the discussion is on the setup then why wouldn't Infinity leave it out?
~Chara

The discussion was not on the set up. Infinity created the discussion and he did so in a way that he knew to be false. I don't think town would engage in a trick like that.

[Almost Chara]

what trick?
what scum agenda is Infinity trying to pull by covering up the existence of a

fruit vendor

? it doesn't affect his miller claim at all.
~Chara

[Commander Shepard]

I don't think it is a trick.
I think he got so caught up in trying to throw Prism off he forgot my role.

[Commander Shepard]

Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.

PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...

No you didn't. That is why I picked you.

{T&B}
{TWC, AC}
{shaddow, farside}
{CK, Shepard, empking, dreal}

{prism, wraith}

I guess this is where I'm at pending a flip. It's a pretty gross list but I'd be surprised if anyone in the top 3 tiers is scum

[Infinity 324]

Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.

PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...

No you didn't. That is why I picked you.

{T&B}
{TWC, AC}
{shaddow, farside}
{CK, Shepard, empking, dreal}

{prism, wraith}

I guess this is where I'm at pending a flip. It's a pretty gross list but I'd be surprised if anyone in the top 3 tiers is scum

...wraith doesn't make sense as scum cause there would've been a stronger CW on someone towards the middle of the day

FUCK

Agreed. Please work with me here.

Wraith is town. Look at T&B's post I called out if Wraith town Postie Scum.
Look who all post after AC &TWC.

T&B Infinity last two scum.

I don't get what you're trying to say here

[Infinity 324]

Anything above the space was a townread. Anything below the space was not.

[Almost Chara]

@A50:

Wraith was roleblocked by town, farside flipped it and scumread Wraith iirc. Either way it's more likely than strongman. We also had a claimed bodyguard making any hit elsewhere inherently risky.

VOTE: Infinity

What do you mean by risky?? They would've either killed one of you Masons OR ended up killing the BG anyway. They did NOT target you. They targeted the BG claim directly. That doesn't make much sense.

I always try to solve the game by putting myself in a scum mindset. If I was Scum why would I shoot the BG over 2 Masons and a claimed Cop whom I BELIEVED to be a Cop? And I explained why the 1-shot part didn't make sense with his play, so he's either multi-shot or he is lying. If he's lying then he is Scum. If not then he is multi-dhot and Scum would have shot him over the Masons, and certainly over the BG claim.

~A50

[Infinity 324]

Yeah good point. Unless scum have a rolecop or something and knew wraith was a doctor, the kill is weird.

[Almost50]

If either of those wrong Almost.

I wanna call you names. I wanna be rude and nasty to the extreme. I wanns wipe the floor with your face. I wanna do all these things, but I won't.

I was literally tunneling CK before your sister replaced in. I was the only one voting him, and I stayed on him after she took over. I only left because nobody was listening, but as soon as a wagon formed there I joined it faster than speedy Gonzales. Empking tried to deter the flow, and some fell for it. I didn't. I kept on pushing Titus until she got lynched.

Now if I was Scum I would have known she was GF and would have agreed with those who wanted Empking gone first. I would have known he was telling the truth (and he would have been if I was scum). In other words, if I believed Empking's claim for a minute I would have let Titus live another day or two at the very least.

Let me try rephrasing all that because -obviously- you're too smart to grasp any meaningful analysis of the game:

Empking is either Town or Scum: If Town, then Scum!Me would have lynched him when the moment came to verify his claim. He claimed 1-shot anyway and it would have been quite justified. He flips Town Cop and Titus is cleared.

If Empking is Scum though, then his gambit was still for a fucking reason. I would have promoted him as TOWN now because Titus flipped GF so he can be left alone. I'm still pushing him for my prime suspect.

If I was scum I and Empking was Town I would have certainly shot him over anyone else. If he is scum with me then I wouldn't shade him and/or make a big fuss over the NK analysis. I would simply go with "Mason" Prism and lynch Infinity, and if Infinity flips Town then it was on You & Prism. If they flip Scum I gain more Town credit (but hey, I would already know what Infinity would flip).

I've tried thinking this over standing, sitting, jogging, hopping on my head, and crawling on my arse cheeks, and I still can't see how your brain works. And then you say you're not tunneling. Just fucking ISO yourself. You've accused me over 30 times already in this game alone. You have a severe degree of addiction to typing my name with some shade on it. Grow up FGS. I don't ever mind being suspected, and I don't normally react this way to others FoSing me, but you are unbearable .. for real. Get a fucking grip, GDI!!

~A50

[Almost Chara]

If either of those wrong Almost.

I wanna call you names. I wanna be rude and nasty to the extreme. I wanns wipe the floor with your face. I wanna do all these things, but I won't.

I was literally tunneling CK before your sister replaced in. I was the only one voting him, and I stayed on him after she took over. I only left because nobody was listening, but as soon as a wagon formed there I joined it faster than speedy Gonzales. Empking tried to deter the flow, and some fell for it. I didn't. I kept on pushing Titus until she got lynched.

Now if I was Scum I would have known she was GF and would have agreed with those who wanted Empking gone first. I would have known he was telling the truth (and he would have been if I was scum). In other words, if I believed Empking's claim for a minute I would have let Titus live another day or two at the very least.

Let me try rephrasing all that because -obviously- you're too smart to grasp any meaningful analysis of the game:

Empking is either Town or Scum: If Town, then Scum!Me would have lynched him when the moment came to verify his claim. He claimed 1-shot anyway and it would have been quite justified. He flips Town Cop and Titus is cleared.

If Empking is Scum though, then his gambit was still for a fucking reason. I would have promoted him as TOWN now because Titus flipped GF so he can be left alone. I'm still pushing him for my prime suspect.

If I was scum I and Empking was Town I would have certainly shot him over anyone else. If he is scum with me then I wouldn't shade him and/or make a big fuss over the NK analysis. I would simply go with "Mason" Prism and lynch Infinity, and if Infinity flips Town then it was on You & Prism. If they flip Scum I gain more Town credit (but hey, I would already know what Infinity would flip).

I've tried thinking this over standing, sitting, jogging, hopping on my head, and crawling on my arse cheeks, and I still can't see how your brain works. And then you say you're not tunneling. Just fucking ISO yourself. You've accused me over 30 times already in this game alone. You have a severe degree of addiction to typing my name with some shade on it. Grow up FGS. I don't ever mind being suspected, and I don't normally react this way to others FoSing me, but you are unbearable .. for real. Get a fucking grip, GDI!!

~A50

[Prism]

Infinity, the person who knows there is both a godfather and a miller in the game, votes the only cop.

[Infinity 324]

And there can't be a godfather and Miller without a cop because...?