DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[drealmerz7]

I'm a b unch of pages behind now

I'll catch up at some point

hopefully today?

[Aristophanes]

VC 3.1

Infinity

(1): Prism 2865

Empking

(1): Infinity 324 2912

Prism

(1): Almost Chara 2941

Not Voting

(5): Tea and Biscuits, drealmerz7, Empking, Shaddowez, Commander Shepard 2947

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day three ends Friday, May 5th at 6:30pm EST, or in (expired on 2017-05-05 18:30:00)

Mod Notes:
Don't forget that days are shorter from this point on!

[Prism]

Realized I meant strategy #1 not #2 but regardless I should just stop complaining and wait for Chara

[Not Chara]

VOTE: Empking

i do understand Almost's issue with Prism. and the notion that if the masons are scum they might not be getting lynched without is alive. but i don't see us actually getting nightkilled here. i won't go into it any more but i imagine the reasons why are pretty obvious?
i also really believe Empking is scum. if town, he must have more shots.

TWC wanted CK but the fight for that was way harder than it should have been. Wraith wanted Empking. the only real evidence for scum masons is that Wraith was targeted for the kill. maybe the scum

do

have a rolecop. maybe they made a suboptimal kill.
if they are scum who killed Wraith to make it look like he protected one of them (not realizing he wasn't a bodyguard) then today isn't the time to deal with that. even if we do die tonight, i don't believe that.

the existence of a godfather and miller does make the cop more likely, but that doesn't mean i'm townreading Empking's play.
sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

VOTE: Empking

i do understand Almost's issue with Prism. and the notion that if the masons are scum they might not be getting lynched without is alive. but i don't see us actually getting nightkilled here. i won't go into it any more but i imagine the reasons why are pretty obvious?
i also really believe Empking is scum. if town, he must have more shots.

TWC wanted CK but the fight for that was way harder than it should have been. Wraith wanted Empking. the only real evidence for scum masons is that Wraith was targeted for the kill. maybe the scum

do

have a rolecop. maybe they made a suboptimal kill.
if they are scum who killed Wraith to make it look like he protected one of them (not realizing he wasn't a bodyguard) then today isn't the time to deal with that. even if we do die tonight, i don't believe that.

the existence of a godfather and miller does make the cop more likely, but that doesn't mean i'm townreading Empking's play.
sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this.
~Chara

and there goes my perfect record for all forms of slipping. tragedy.

[Almost Chara]

VOTE: Empking so it counts.

[Almost Chara]

also i want to talk to shaddowez.

Postie: where are you at right now?
~Chara

[Commander Shepard]

AC I do not like your reads. Scumreading Prism and Empking can't be a thing.

Either it is Prism+Drealmerz or it is two other people?

Which do you think and why?

[Almost Chara]

i'm not scumreading Prism.

i think Empking is scum.
i understand the concern for scum masons but i'm not pursuing that. the only time it would be worth pursuing would be lylo, and this isn't lylo. if Empking flips town i'd reevaluate on the masons.
~Chara

[shaddowez]

Catching up.

I wasn't scum reading Empking until yesterday due to the claim, based on timing. The fact that he wasn't NKed has me paranoid....on the other hand, a Godfather flip and a claimed Miller would make sense, and scum leaving him alive is a perfect way to add doubt. If scum have limited-shot abilities, I could see them believing a 1-shot claim. I need to look more into Wraith's ISO and see why they may have killed him over Empking.

I understand wanting to sort the masons before LyLo/MyLo, especially with the Wraith kill over either of them, but I'm still completely against lynching either of them today. I've been town reading both of them to an extent the entire game, and refuse to vote them today.

On the other hand, we still have Infinity's miller claim. I was re-reading them during the night phase, and their read on me has me on edge. His town read on me for most of the game has been based on the amount of content I had, and didn't really seem to be questioning my thought process. Now that we've had a scum flip, I'm "scum by PoE".

AC

- what's up?

[Infinity 324]

Where are you getting that I was townreading you based on the amount of content I have?

Do you want me to explain any of the other townreads that the PoE is based on?

[shaddowez]

Sorry, should have said "depth of content", not amount of content.

And sure....let's start with T&B. You've said multiple times that you think they're town, but I don't recall any actual reasons.

[Infinity 324]

I townread T&B because postie is playing to her town meta. She is much more aggressive as town and she constantly doubts and re-evaluates herself, which is something I can relate to. Wrestling with paranoia is something I have not seen scum!postie come close to fake, even though she is good as scum in other ways.

I thought I had other things but let's start with this. I also thought 2681 looked a lot like a buddy attempt.

[Infinity 324]

Spoiler:

If scum do something like shoot me instead to avoid the problem

Then they'd just have the same problem the next night. Either Wraith dies or one of the masons dies.
Bleh. I guess we're lynching Titus then.
If Prism is actually a mason here then god knows why their posts are pinging my scumdar so hard all the time.

-- Postie

I'm going to be really annoyed if this is town!dreal and scum!Prism fakeclaiming masons as neighbours but I'm probably overthinking.

-- Postie

Everything that's happened points towards town!Prism and I know logically they should be town but my gut still says they're scum I don't understand this game

-- Postie

Bleh. I'm gonna go meta Prism and hopefully that'll make me feel better.

-- Postie

Bleh. I'm gonna go meta Prism and hopefully that'll make me feel better.

-- Postie

Wow that didn't make me feel better at all. I'm just... I'm just gonna put this out of my mind until we get or don't get a mason flip because there's really nothing I can do right now with this.

-- Postie

Elaborate.

In the game I looked at you seemed to making an effort to seek out engagement much more, and taking stances in a different way where you like put out several options and evaluated them idk. Here it just feels like you're talking

at

the thread rather than to it.

-- Postie

I've just realised I actually scumread masons quite often, and it's usually for something along the lines of them being lazy with their reasoning and stances and not feeling like they're really trying to engage properly or fully play the game. That

does

make me feel somewhat better about Prism being town here. It's also now making me slowly despise masons as a role.

-- Postie

I said that before postie posted this, but it's a good example of what I'm talking about. Town is likely to go through a difficult process like this when a top scumread of theirs claims mason. Scum would probably either try to push them, or more likely just accept the masons as conftown. It just seems really hard to fake and at the very least it would take a lot of effort for not much reward if she was scum.

[Commander Shepard]

(Singing parody voice)

I meant to read this but I got a nap.

[Empking]

I think the conf-towns holding off their votes is sensible.

Vote: Infinity

- There's no reason for me to hold off my vote.

[Prism]

Brazen proddodge

[Commander Shepard]

i'm not scumreading Prism.

i think Empking is scum.
i understand the concern for scum masons but i'm not pursuing that. the only time it would be worth pursuing would be lylo, and this isn't lylo. if Empking flips town i'd reevaluate on the masons.
~Chara

Get your heads in order then.

Voting Prism and Empking is inconsistent as fuck.

Tell me what your heads reads are.

[Commander Shepard]

Non confTown need to get here and place votes stat.

[Almost Chara]

i'm not scumreading Prism.

i think Empking is scum.
i understand the concern for scum masons but i'm not pursuing that. the only time it would be worth pursuing would be lylo, and this isn't lylo. if Empking flips town i'd reevaluate on the masons.
~Chara

Get your heads in order then.

Voting Prism and Empking is inconsistent as fuck.

Tell me what your heads reads are.

Short version: We both agree that Empking is the right lynch.

The long version: Prism is opposing our preferred lynch, and it's confusing me a lot. If Empking is not to be lynched today then it has to be one of the Masons. Why? because if we mislynch it will be MyLo tomorrow, and THEN we would have to trust the Masons and lynch Empking anyway, or leave Empking alone to test the Masons.

And you know what else? Testing the Masons in MyLo is a huge gamble. If they're for real we already lose anyway.

Chara though does believe in testing the Masons in LyLo/LyLo and would rather see Empking flip first to decide on whether that would be needed. In other words, Empking flipping Scum solves both heads problems and conflicted read.

~A50

[Commander Shepard]

.....No. I townread Empking.

That looks like you are wanting an excuse for two mislynches in a row. I do not scumread Empking based on Titus's play alone.

[Commander Shepard]

Empking is not happening. Move to your next read.

[Almost Chara]

Who do you want me to vote?

~A50

[Commander Shepard]

Your other scumread.

[Almost Chara]

What other scum read??

Here's my dilemma: You're not happy with a vote on either of the Masons, and you're protecting Empking. You yourself -I presume- don't want to get voted either, and we sure as hell are not gonna vote ourselves.

So it looks to me that you are forcing us into a lynch of your choice in Infinity/Shaddowez/T&B. Does that sound just about right?

VOTE: Shoddowez

How's that then?

~A50