Mini 1932: Dedede Fusion Collab (FIN)

[VA-11 Hall-A]

town: realeo, ceph, guilty lion
kinda town: implosion, wisdom, bins, kraska, chaiotzu
maybe town (null): drealmerz
Not so town (scum): valhalla

When you're townreading everybody you're not actually townreading anybody

[drealmerz7]

Spoiler: my reads

[VA-11 Hall-A]

why do people keep townreading valhalla for dunn's nonexistent play
he's been a nonentity all game

What are you trying to say here

[VA-11 Hall-A]

but you have to agree with me that Dunn is quite death tunneling kraska (passing #2)

No I'm not

[VA-11 Hall-A]

[2] How vindictive does he attack player?

What?

[VA-11 Hall-A]

When I think about how I was struggling over which null read to vote as deadline neared, I was literally trying to save my more townish looking null-reads. I have trouble comprehending how someone with strong townreads on the top wagons wouldn't be doing the same kind of calculus, with even more urgency about where to vote. This could be a playstyle difference, I guess.

Earlier you said you just felt I was scum because of something that alisae did in the dance game

I don't know what you want us to do to "save" people when you guys wait 'till deadline

[VA-11 Hall-A]

I just can't make sense of their play

What are you not making sense of drealmerz?

[Chiaotzu]

ffs 25 pages again. This catchup will have to wait. Why is Vallhalla the leading wagon?

[drealmerz7]

I just can't make sense of their play

What are you not making sense of drealmerz?

overall, the only thing I can make sense of from your play is that your doings seem to be more about self-preservation than game solving

on a meta level, I'm used to both of you almost always grabbing the game by its horns and sinking your teeth in, at least to some degree, with an interest and motivation

here I'm getting this passiveness sense frmo you that isn't sitting well with me

[Cephrir]

Looking at Cephrir's sig reminded me of this terrible joke I made in the reading thread that no one acknowledged (presumably because it was that terrible)

[morph the cat]

Valhalla has dropped from null to an actual scumread, though, so that's where we want to vote.

Still haven't explained why

you should read our iso from the last 36 or so hours. It would avoid embarrassing posts like the one above.

town: realeo, ceph, guilty lion
kinda town: implosion, wisdom, bins, kraska, chaiotzu
maybe town (

null

): drealmerz
Not so town (

scum

): valhalla

When you're townreading everybody you're not actually townreading anybody

Or maybe you just need to actually read our posts instead of quoting them and posting bullshit.

When I think about how I was struggling over which null read to vote as deadline neared, I was literally trying to save my more townish looking null-reads. I have trouble comprehending how someone with strong townreads on the top wagons wouldn't be doing the same kind of calculus, with even more urgency about where to vote. This could be a playstyle difference, I guess.

Earlier you said you just felt I was scum because of something that alisae did in the dance game

That was the basis of our initial push, yes. Your reactions to that push are what solidified the fuck out of our read.

I don't know what you want us to do to "save" people when you guys wait 'till deadline

I'll reply to this separately in a bit.

[drealmerz7]

gotta love Bartleby

a literature/poetry teacher I had in college called me Bartleby because I said that line so much

[Wisdom]

boring pages

gl keeps being obvscum

[implosion]

I think the townreads that I'm comfortable with right now are realeo, ceph, GL, and bins. I'm not really interested in thinking about those people today at least.

kraska and morph are townreads that I could imagine myself being swayed on because the reasons for them have gotten old and new ones haven't been cropping up as readily as they have been for the people in my top tier. I don't feel especially good about either of them as town at this point but I have reasons from a while ago for kraska that I've forgotten, and morph is honestly probably not substantiatable beyond a gutread because I'm not really sure what ffery can fake as scum but my gut does say she's town still, but not especially strongly in recent pages.

Dreal is my Premier Scumread. And I still have not seen a damn thing from anyone even trying to argue against that. And I

still

would like to hear why anyone thinks anything other than dreal scum, if anyone does, beyond just "he's scummy every game."

That leaves a pool to sort of {Wis, Va11, Chiao}. And theoretically 2 scum in there in a perfect world, but I still don't have an especially high degree of confidence in my reads right now, even the strong townreads aren't as strong as I'd theoretically like them to be because I have been doing a shit job of engaging with the game.

Granted part of that is because it seems like no one is online during the hours that I am half the time.

Va11 and Wisdom are both slots that I have trouble gleaning alignment-indicative content from. morph's points on va11 make sense but I don't find them especially persuasive. It seems like a fair amount of assuming that a zach-dunn hydra will interact with each other in a comparable way to, say, a ffery-cabd hydra. I don't really buy them voting morph as scum testing the waters, I feel like he just joins the wisdom wagon just as easily as scum, and if I were scum I don't think morph is the first person I'd test the water towards? It kind of makes sense if va11+morph are scum as distancing or va11+wisdom are scum and va11 doesn't want to bus. And I don't really find the reaction especially interesting. I agree va11's take on the game or at least zach's apparently (I haven't been really trying to keep hydra heads straight in general) has been to lmao at things or generally just be on the fringe and occasionally interject with quips of content and I'm not sure if that's scummy or playstyle. I think there were some things that I thought were town from them but iirc I wasn't putting much stock in those things at the time.

Wisdom is hard to read for similar reasons actually - he interacts with the thread in a very idiosyncratic way that makes it difficult to get at the motivations for what he's doing, and the main way I scumhunt is to think about motivations. He's mostly just said brute reads and while that's sort of nice and good in the sense that he's giving reads and committing to them (cough, drealm, cough) even if they're swaying, I'm not sure how to read him off of mostly brute reads and a lack of really meaningful reactions.

Chi i'll think about later after he's done more today.

[morph the cat]

There's absolutely nothing about your post I even want to comment on, Implosion. There's nothing new in it, and there's nothing that makes me go hm or think about reevaluating. There's nothing that says "this is a town post".

This is kinda disappointing, because I thought your post in reply to Bins a day or so ago had some decent townvibes to it.

[GuiltyLion]

I like most of implosion's reads and again it feels like he's trying to be honest and fair in his assessment of what players are doing (paranoia part of me says perhaps trying too hard?), but my main problem with it is it's a fence-sitty post on two of the more relevant wagons today (VaHa and Wisdom). It's like implosion is willing to let a lynch go through on either of these players ("couldn't read them") despite not necessarily scumreading them, and yet simultaneously also give himself room to vote them if the wagon is not quite about to go through

@implosion -
as it stands right now would you

support

or

oppose

a VaHa lynch?
as it stands right now would you

support

or

oppose

a Wisdom lynch?

if you really can't answer these questions yet, then you should get more involved in sorting these players

[Chiaotzu]

Bah. No surprise there.

1 wrong, 1 right so far.

VOTE: Realeo

Help me understand you a bit. I remember why you are pissed off from OT (ie. he accused you for lying but OT gave bad fact to back himself and he became defensive when you show that in his face) but I kinda fail to exactly extract what do you scumread from OT?

I think I explained it pretty well here

[Chiaotzu]

Oh one final thing for Chiaotzu.

These are my current reads. I'm done for today.

Why Kraska is green? I would like to think that OT is as reckless as kraska and if you scumread OT, sure you would scumread kraska as well right?

I don't see why I should put OT and kraska in the same pool here?

I can't remember exactly what made me put kraksa as lock-town tbh. The reason I use notes like this is because I can get disconnected from a game pretty fast. The only time (I remember) I took someone out of the green and lynched them, it was a mislynch at Lylo and I lost the game for town. So it's going to take a lot for me to even consider voting kraska in this game. Maybe I mentioned reasons somewhere already, but I can't be bothered to look them up rn.

If you have issues with kraska I'd love to hear them though.

[morph the cat]

I don't know what you want us to do to "save" people when you guys wait 'till deadline

I'll reply to this separately in a bit.

Here's my reply.

A town player's chief weapons are their voice and their vote.

I wanted to turn that into a monty python skit homage, but I refrained. With difficulty.

Much difficulty.

Let's look at your trajectory as the deadline approached.

This was your updated reads list on August 4:

updated reads

Town:

1. Chiaotzu BigYoshiFan
2. Bins
3. morph the cat (fferyllt + Cabd)
4. VA-11 Hall-A (Zackstralkita + Dunnstral)
5. kraska77
6. GuiltyLion
7. Oil Tycoons (Syryana + Nachomamma8)
8. Wisdom
9. Nosferatu
10. implosion
11. drealmerz7
12. Alisae




Scum:

when warthogs fly

Note the relative positions of Oil Tycoons and Nosferatu.

On August 5 you posted this:

We're running close to the deadline - I'm not at all a fan of this drealmerz wagon going on here

VOTE: Oil Tycoons

Let's run this one back. Who was willing to vote OT but didn't think the wagon would gain traction?

The most recent mod vote count was this:

Votecount 1.25

I'm folding laundry

shudders violently

drealmerz7

(3): implosion, Oil Tycoons, GuiltyLion

Nosferatu

(3): kraska77, when warthogs fly, Chiaotzu

implosion

(2): Nosferatu, Alisae

Alisae

(1): drealmerz7

GuiltyLion

(1): Wisdom

Oil Tycoons

(1): Bins

Wisdom

(1): VA-11 Hall-A

Not Voting

(1): morph the cat

13 players, 7 majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2017-08-06 16:32:00)

Bins is V/LA until 8/8.
Prodding Oil Tycoons.

Between that vote count and your vote, no other vote-things happened.

So, one of your top townreads was tied with Nos, who was lower on your most recent scumlist than OT, and you decided to vote OT, instead.

Were you really trying to save your top townread?

It doesn't look like it.

[morph the cat]

Though maybe that was just the sign-up order of the players?

Let me dig a little further into your stances.

[Chiaotzu]

Wisdom, I got a townsense from GL's last will and testament posts hours before deadline.

What did you think about those posts?

didnt care about them

wis, explain this please. why don't you care about them? I actually feel the same way about GL's last posts before deadline and it was the reason I stayed off that wagon

[Bins]

Note the relative positions of Oil Tycoons and Nosferatu.

oh morph

[Bins]

oooooooh morph i can't be face palming harder right now my palm went through my skull

[Bins]

inb4 "it was just a reaction test to catch them out on something!"

[Bins]

Though maybe that was just the sign-up order of the players?

mORPH