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Post Post #1500 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:06 pm

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Post Post #1501 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:30 pm

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In post 1495, VNB National Plan wrote:That's a terrible reason to say one of us is scum, camn.
And seriously.. is "this argument seems forced and scummy" a worse reason than "They remind me of Aristophanes"?
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Post Post #1502 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:50 pm

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In post 1491, camn wrote:
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- could be scum for reals
Nothing's outside my range so far I concur-but any reason I'm at the bottom of the pile? I've got my own ideas about what a run-of-the-mill player would scumread about me (and why I think they'd be wrong) that I think I should address but I'll wait for you first. Also should actually get real reads before I launch into anything.
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Post Post #1503 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:15 pm

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Yes it's a worse reason. :P But it's a reason even if I think it's incorrect at the moment.
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Post Post #1504 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:00 pm

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In post 1474, VNB National Plan wrote:random thought of the day: gingie makin a joke about all of sc townreading her makes me feel like she -is- town?
what does sc mean?

In post 1479, Prism wrote:I'm not feeling too hot at the moment, both personally and about how things have been going for me online lately, but it's time to get back on the ball. I'm not letting my anxiety get the best of me. It's time to shine.
I hope it gets better.
In post 1493, camn wrote:ah.. I guess so. They weren't a BODYguard.. but a Doc, yes?
They seem to have been a roleblocker that could only prevent kills?


also: VOTE: Polar Vortex, semantics.
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Post Post #1505 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:29 pm

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Ha ha, Senpai, I just figured it out.
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Post Post #1506 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:13 pm

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Oh, also- ima get in on that.

VOTE: Polar Vortex
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Post Post #1507 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:14 pm

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Post Post #1508 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:35 pm

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In post 1502, Prism wrote:I'm at the bottom of the pile?
You are third from the bottom, silly.
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Post Post #1509 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:24 am

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In post 1504, Caryatid wrote: also: VOTE: Polar Vortex, semantics.
What about semantics?
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Post Post #1510 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:39 am

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In post 1388, Polar Vortex wrote:Game starts now.

I have a lot of catch up and reading to do, but I'm feeling good after this flip. I had a feeling Ashoka was town, but it was more based on other people's posts than her own and I couldn't really find anything to take that read out of limbo. The confirmation that she's town strengthens some of my early suspicions, which I'll want to get to later.
What early suspicions are you talking about?

From what I can tell you never had any.
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Post Post #1511 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:44 am

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I agree with pretty much everything TTH said in 1392. I would just move VNB National Plan and maybe Imperium down a peg.

But her lynch pool is mostly where I'm at right now.
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Post Post #1512 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:45 am

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In post 1394, Caryatid wrote:
In post 1086, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1039, Imperium wrote:I'm not sure if I asked this before but Spiffeh have you played with Mastin much?
Yeah I've played two of my more recent games with her. Haven't seen her as scum though.
You were scum together with her in Disney Villain. She was town together with you in Cougar's Den and Gumball and you were scum against her in Defcon and Biochemistry.
I know you're dead now but she got lynched like Day 2 in Disney Villain after lurking and having trouble getting into the game. I have never been town in the same game she was scum.
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Post Post #1513 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:45 am

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Oh wait I thought TTH said that my bad

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Post Post #1514 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:18 am

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In post 1510, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1388, Polar Vortex wrote:Game starts now.

I have a lot of catch up and reading to do, but I'm feeling good after this flip. I had a feeling Ashoka was town, but it was more based on other people's posts than her own and I couldn't really find anything to take that read out of limbo. The confirmation that she's town strengthens some of my early suspicions, which I'll want to get to later.
What early suspicions are you talking about?

From what I can tell you never had any.
Mostly talking about VNB and regretting not going after them and Kmd harder on day 1.
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Post Post #1515 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:25 am

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In post 1509, Polar Vortex wrote:
In post 1504, Caryatid wrote: also: VOTE: Polar Vortex, semantics.
What about semantics?
I'm not really here because I'm busy with my girlfriend but I think you and VNB are arguing about words and you're resisting the realisation that it's just words.
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Post Post #1516 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:26 am

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All caught up

Leonshade's few content posts are pretty bad and give off the vibe of someone going through the motions rather than someone trying to solve the game.

For instance,
In post 1396, Leonshade wrote:
In post 983, Heartless wrote:VOTE: ahsoka

max is still pretty scummy but i'm near certain this is scum
In post 984, Caryatid wrote:VOTE: Ahsoka yeah.
In post 985, Ginngie wrote:VOTE: Ahshoka

WOO
Like there's nothing meaningful to analyze here without full context of their reads development, especially with Caryatid's statement in that everyone had Ari as a background SR. Spiffeh and camn's jump on the wagon are the same, jumping on a lurker lynch is too easy to be analysed.
If the conclusion is "nothing meaningful to analyze", then what's the point of posting this in the first place? I don't see why town would devote 1 of their 3 content posts to something that ultimately doesn't matter. I feel like scum are more likely to say something like this because "hey look at me thinking critically about the game!!!", whereas I don't think town would waste their time. It's as if he realizes "analyzing the wagon" is something that's expected so he made sure everyone knew he was doing it even though it didn't result in anything helpful.

He grabbed quotes and everything, it seems like he's trying to pass this off as a meaningful contribution when it's actually useless.

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Post Post #1517 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:30 am

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In post 1514, Polar Vortex wrote:Mostly talking about VNB and regretting not going after them and Kmd harder on day 1.
Along these lines, what exactly motivated you to go back to KMD's earlier posts? Because in your "case" against him you cite things that happened earlier in the game, which isn't really bad, but I find it weird that he seemed to be nowhere on your radar in the previous day and the scum read seems to come out of thin air.
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Post Post #1518 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:30 am

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Also are you saying that you're also scum reading VNB after your exchange with them?
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Post Post #1519 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:35 am

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In post 1515, Caryatid wrote:
In post 1509, Polar Vortex wrote:
In post 1504, Caryatid wrote: also: VOTE: Polar Vortex, semantics.
What about semantics?
I'm not really here because I'm busy with my girlfriend but I think you and VNB are arguing about words and
you're resisting the realisation that it's just words.
I don't agree that words are just words, but I don't think I'm resisting anything.
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Post Post #1520 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:38 am

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Prism I had as a pretty hard town read earlier but he hasn't posted like anything helpful in a long time and I'd like him to do that again

Same goes for Caryatid

KMD isn't an awful vote I guess. I remember playing with his alt before who I was easily able to identify as town and I'm obviously not getting that here. I just don't think anything content-wise against him is all that compelling.

I still take issue with the fact that Polar Vortex never gave me a straight answer about who they were scum reading and then suddenly go after Aristophanes in a way that Ari couldn't really defend himself or respond to, right when that wagon started gaining traction. I disagree with the reasons for their push on VNB but their adamant defending of that line of questioning feels genuine to me.

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Post Post #1521 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:51 am

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In post 1517, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1514, Polar Vortex wrote:Mostly talking about VNB and regretting not going after them and Kmd harder on day 1.
Along these lines, what exactly motivated you to go back to KMD's earlier posts? Because in your "case" against him you cite things that happened earlier in the game, which isn't really bad, but I find it weird that he seemed to be nowhere on your radar in the previous day and the scum read seems to come out of thin air.
Kmd was one of our conflicting reads and they were V/LA, so I decided I'd just wait for them to get in the game. Maybe they'd town it up by then, but either way it didn't feel productive pursuing someone who wasn't caught up or even available to play.

I did mention I didn't like them and I would have developed that read further had anyone asked about it.
Spiffeh wrote:Also are you saying that you're also scum reading VNB after your exchange with them?
Nah, I'm feeling better about them actually. I skimmed Aristo's ISO in the game they linked and I can see how Ashoka's play reminded them of Aristo's. I also like their reaction - twice now I've interacted with them and given them opportunity to flip the tables and come after me, but the first time they thought we were tunnely town and now (hope I'm not speaking too soon) they still managed to stay cool, when I think if they were scum they could have easily plopped a vote on us without it looking too bad.
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Post Post #1522 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:10 am

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How do you feel about Max/Leon?
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Post Post #1523 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:14 am

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In post 1522, Spiffeh wrote:How do you feel about Max/Leon?
I kinda liked Max's tone and that's pretty much it. We should take a better look at him later as I don't think Bear had a read on him either.
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