Mini 1939 - Organization XIII (Game Over)

[IV Vexen]

Alright. Time for the reveal.

I'm both a protective role, and an investigative. I'm probably not going to die tonight, so if there's another protective they shouldn't target me tonight, but I'm almost certainly biting the bullet tomorrow night.

Every night I target someone, and all actions taken against that target fail. If I target someone for the second night in a row, I'm told that person's alignment.

Now you know why I had literally 0 doubts I wasn't getting lynched today.

[IV Vexen]

BTW,

VOTE: Demyx

[I Xemnas]

Not planning to talk about my role but thanks for the advice.

UNVOTE:

[IV Vexen]

Okay, once more.

Theory for Xemnas time:

One of the two of us at least will be alive tomorrow, This means that if I'm dead, you need to control the claiming process.

Step one: Massclaim of Night Actions.

Everyone in the thread (with the exception of you) must claim Night Action or No Night Action. Any antitown or compulsive Night Actions must also be specified to be antitown or compulsive. EVERY player must do this before any other claims are made.

Step two: Xaldin claim.

Xaldin must claim, whom, not the result, of everyone he targeted. Anyone who claims to have no visiting action but whom he targeted and found to go somewhere can be outed as well. The two results that are the least town should then claim their targets, with corroboration by Xaldin. The person whom is most town should then have Xaldin claim their target, and let us know if he's telling the truth.

If no one is killed tonight, I will then claim my target. As Saix is not killing tonight, I will not limit myself to just Xig or Roxas. If there is a nightkill tonight, I will not claim my target.

Here's where it branches.

If there is conflicting information (i.e. Xaldin disagrees with someone on whether they went anywhere or where they went) postpone massclaim and lynch within that group, probably Xaldin, as best as you can determine. You should be the hammer, not the initiator of the wagon if at all possible, to allow for better VCA.

If there is no conflicting information, (i.e. Xaldin agrees with everyone or somehow gets the nightkill tonight for some reason) proceed with massclaim.

At this point, everyone but you should massclaim, in an order you provide based on two factors. A. Scummy first and B. Likely to be able to fakeclaim well first. If Luxord neighborizes me, I will leave within my instructions to him a code that between you Xig and Rox you should be able to confirm comes directly from me. This will be to ensure that he doesn't change my instructions in any way in the fairly likely event that he is scum. If I cannot work out a code, I will leave a string of numbers that will be games I have played in, assuming when I PM anti a list of questions momentarily he says I can do that. If he says I cannot, you'll just have to hope he's passing on what I said and take everything he does say with a grain of salt.

Any questions or concerns?

[I Xemnas]

I'll be gone for a few hours starting roughly now. Quick read doesn't point up any major concerns outside of assuring the info coming out of your neighborhood isn't tampered with. But I'll stew on it while I'm away. The only ways I can see to ensure that involve info that probably breaks rules.

[IV Vexen]

Me too. Sending a PM to Anti then logging off. Hopefully I'll have an answer by the time I get back.

[IV Vexen]

Oh, and if you're a vig shoot Saix tonight, because he'd be 100% lying about his claim and that trade would be wonderful.

[IV Vexen]

You being literally anyone, btw.

[IV Vexen]

Vexen's a hard read for me.

That's okay, cause usually I'm not a terrible mislynch or I pull off something like this. You don't HAVE to be good at reading me, you just have to wait until I'm obvtown.

[X Luxord]

in the fairly likely event that he is scum

Right on!

The funny part is that all of the encryption is for basically no reason because I'm town.

[X Luxord]

But I'll target you today if Xig doesn't come back and convince everyone to murder you in spite of your claim.

[XI Marluxia]

For Lord Vexen, breaker of games, a tribute from your loyal servant:

*If someone targets me at night for a nightkill

[IX Demyx]

BTW,

VOTE: Demyx

Good vote.

[IX Demyx]

Okay, I have decided to do this again.

VOTE: Vote: Roxas

[IX Demyx]

Roxas, Saix, Xaldin, Marluxia.

All the scum are in there.
Lets get them now.

[V Lexaeus]

Vexen, re-read the last page.

Saix is not Quite a PGO, he's a Bomb, and it is lost upon activation of the vig shot.

Also I have a proposal.
I'm a protective role as well, though my secondary function is not investigative, which is why I wanted to know if Xemnas could survive a kill attempt. I was going to use that information to decide whether to protect Xemnas or Saix.

The idea was to protect Saix if Xemnas said he could protect himself, so that when/if Scum tried to kill him, his reflexive kill would trigger but he'd still be alive and his role confirmed.
Otherwise, protect Xemnas for obvious reasons.

HOWEVER, having two protectives provides a unique opportunity.
We protect each other, and become immortal. We're then guaranteed to survive to LyLo. If we can lynch even a single scum, we're guaranteed a win.

There's no downside that I can see here.

[Heartless]

Vote Count 2.10

Xigbar [2] - Saïx, Xaldin
Vexen [1] - Xigbar
Saïx [1] - Zexion
Demyx [3] - Roxas, Marluxia, Vexen
Xigbar [1] - Luxord
Zexion [1] - Axel
Roxas [1] - Demyx

Not Voting: Lexaeus, Xemnas

6 to lynch
Deadline: (expired on 2017-09-18 02:19:22).[/color]

[XIII Roxas]

A better way of saying it would be that I don't think the kind of player Saix appears to be would claim this as scum. Do you disagree?

Agreeing or disagreeing would rely on me having a lock on the type of player Saix is.

I have no such lock.

I would like to use my passive killing ability (death for someone who nightkills me) rather than active killing ability (vig).
The first ability ensures a town till the endgame. If I use my vig ability, I will be an effective VT and have less of a use to the town.

We share 2/3 of our scumreads. Why don't you get past the fact that you feel the urge to policy lynch me and instead direct your energy at lynching Vexscum?

Vex, not yet. Lynch Axel with me.

At best he is a VT now that he has used his power (so he says).

[XIII Roxas]

I'm both a protective role, and an investigative.

I'm a protective role as well, though my secondary function is not investigative, which is why I wanted to know if Xemnas could survive a kill attempt.

I need to think about this.

Because I've also got a kill-prevention role.

The first half of my role, the double-voter, is already known.

The second half of my role is a conditional bulletproof. (The condition is, I need to be on the lynch of scum. If I lynch scum then I become bulletproof for the remainder of the game.) This is why I asked to be investigated; bulletproof conftown = game win. You can see multiple breadcrumbs of this though my favorite's got to be the Zero To Hero breadcrumb I left. (Zero To Hero is a song from Hercules. Hercules, in Heartless's last game, was a conditional bulletproof with a near-identical rule to my role.)

Yet now you're saying.
We have Saix, who's claiming bomb.
Me, with a conditional bulletproof.
And two protective PRs also claimed.
Then, ON TOP OF ALL THAT, we have Axel's nightskip which acts as a fifth.

That's not all town.
I realize TellTaleHeart likes her townsided games.
I also realize that adding similar/duplicate roles is something they can and will do.
But FIVE KILL DETERRENTS in a MINI.
Is fuck no. Not even a role madness mini. I don't care if you give the scumteam an ungated strongman plus an ungated roleblocker. There's no way they can realistically be expected to overcome all of

that

. I'll need some time to figure out what makes the most sense.

[II Xigbar]

I also have a commute which can prevent me from dying as one of my abilities.
So.

Want that infinite bulletproof yet? vote Vexen.

[I Xemnas]

[I Xemnas]

I also have a commute which can prevent me from dying as one of my abilities.
So.

Want that infinite bulletproof yet? vote Vexen.

Why of all the protects is Vexen's the scum role or fake claim?

[II Xigbar]

Vexen, re-read the last page.

Saix is not Quite a PGO, he's a Bomb, and it is lost upon activation of the vig shot.

Also I have a proposal.
I'm a protective role as well, though my secondary function is not investigative, which is why I wanted to know if Xemnas could survive a kill attempt. I was going to use that information to decide whether to protect Xemnas or Saix.

The idea was to protect Saix if Xemnas said he could protect himself, so that when/if Scum tried to kill him, his reflexive kill would trigger but he'd still be alive and his role confirmed.
Otherwise, protect Xemnas for obvious reasons.

HOWEVER, having two protectives provides a unique opportunity.
We protect each other, and become immortal. We're then guaranteed to survive to LyLo. If we can lynch even a single scum, we're guaranteed a win.

There's no downside that I can see here.

There's the fact that Vexen is a scumfuck you dip.

[II Xigbar]

Oh and scum 100% have a strongman: I can choose to shoot everything that visits me with arrowguns and reflexively roleblock everything that targets me.
My role pm explicitly names strongmen as being able to penetrate in a way that 100% suggests to me that they exist.

(that also means no one should be visiting or protecting me fwiw.)

[II Xigbar]

I also have a commute which can prevent me from dying as one of my abilities.
So.

Want that infinite bulletproof yet? vote Vexen.

Why of all the protects is Vexen's the scum role or fake claim?

Because his claim was scummy as hell and he was already scum so?